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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2012 10:09:01 GMT -5
Markel will play tonight. lesson learned by him AND by the team. I expect a huge effort across the board, just hope we don't have guys trying to do too much and playing outside their games. Guard the 3, patience on offense and we move up the ladder. Hoya Saxa.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 27, 2012 10:36:28 GMT -5
I don't want to get into the disciplinary aspect of the Starks benching. Instead focus on the on court reason. Starks can't handle penetrating guards. Ergo the regular foul trouble. A change was needed. Guess what. It worked. If you are the starting guard and get benched an entire game and the team wins by 21 points without you in my mind you are no longer the starting guard. Simple?
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 27, 2012 10:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by Filo on Feb 27, 2012 10:44:17 GMT -5
I don't want to get into the disciplinary aspect of the Starks benching. Instead focus on the on court reason. Starks can't handle penetrating guards. Ergo the regular foul trouble. A change was needed. Guess what. It worked. If you are the starting guard and get benched an entire game and the team wins by 21 points without you in my mind you are no longer the starting guard. Simple? Very simple. If you completely ignore who the team is playing coming up and who the team played in the 21 point romp without Starks.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 27, 2012 11:06:29 GMT -5
nowhere did I say people couldn't discuss it. And no, I don't own any horses. OK, that sounds more like that Dan we know and love! FYI: My "opinion" is coach starts Otto again -- because he deserves it. Starks will come off the bench. I believe Starks knows he messed up and he is making sure he and JT3 are on the same page again. And... I think the HOYAS come out on fire tonight and get a BIG time W in their last home game of the season!
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Post by sead43 on Feb 27, 2012 11:09:32 GMT -5
Sean McDonough, Jay Bilas, and Bill Raftery confirmed as tonight's announcers.
can't wait for the game!!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2012 11:10:42 GMT -5
nowhere did I say people couldn't discuss it. And no, I don't own any horses. OK, that sounds more like that Dan we know and love! FYI: My "opinion" is coach starts Otto again -- because he deserves it. Starks will come off the bench. I believe Starks knows he messed up and he is making sure he and JT3 are on the same page again. And... I think the HOYAS come out on fire tonight and get a BIG time W in their last home game of the season! Spot on Saxa.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 27, 2012 11:18:36 GMT -5
I don't think the difference in teams accounts for the 21 point blowout. Starks is just too weak a defender. It's been true all year. Otto/Trawick is a much better tandem especially since they also bring rebounding and physicality to the mix. Markel should play but as a reserve for Jason and Trawick.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2012 11:18:42 GMT -5
I would like to see Aaton get some minutes at guard. Perhaps he is out of the dog house? What dog house? He's the 9th or 10th best player on the team. How many minutes is he supposed to get? Correct, remember Bowen is essentially a freshman. Way too early for the Board to relegate this kid to a garbage-time player for the future, but we still have not seen whether he can contribute at this level when it counts. Possibly his brief appearance at the end of the first half Saturday indicates a small increase in Coach's confidence(although i realize it was more the product of Markel's benching and Coach wanting to avoid further foul trouble). Let's hope AB keeps working and improving, and that he earns more PT.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2012 11:20:29 GMT -5
I wonder if Starks continues to sit whether he will become a transfer candidate. Instead of violating Board rules, let's just stick to denograting the Big East's future.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 27, 2012 11:34:22 GMT -5
Given the preceding discussion, I was testing the moderators with that comment. No action taken, surprisingly.
Big East hoops future is bleak. No need to focus on that now, however. This is the most excited I've been for a game in awhile. At least since the Syracuse road game a few days ago...
I really think we should win tonight, but worried about our offense in a high scoring scenario. Hopefully, we can keep their permineter offense in check and win a lowish scoring affair.
Want to win on many many levels tonight, not the least of which is to position JTIII for some post-season accolades. He's done a great job working in 4 new players and elevating Sims' game this season.
I think a win also gets us pretty close to locking into a 3 seed for NCAA. With a win tonight, even a downside scenario of losing at Marquette, 1 win in conference tourney, and loss in Semis to Cuse I think is enough to get us the 3. We'd be 23-8 and considered to be the 3rd best team in Big East.
Really just a huge game for us all the way around. Have to win this one at home.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 27, 2012 11:41:41 GMT -5
Big game tonight and I think we can win it. ND is not known for traveling well and they have been on the road for a few days now. I hope we can come out and jump on them early. They are comfortable using a slow paced game and taking them out of their comfort zone would be ideal. Hopefully our defense is in its best form and Hollis can hit the open ones. Try to leave no points on the court tonight - make free throws, open shots and all the opportunities at the rim. Witha good crowd the defense should come ready to play it best. Go Hoyas
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Post by Boz on Feb 27, 2012 11:44:06 GMT -5
I'd prefer if we "denograte" Notre Dame.
You see....I really don't like them.
No, in the spectrum of Georgetown rivalries, they are not really anywhere near Syracuse, Villanova, or St. Johns. Not even really near UConn, Pitt or WVU.
But I really don't like them.
Sure, they're more or less harmless in the BET and they regularly disappoint in the NCAAs, even though they have the greatest coach since Adolph Rupp.
But I really, really don't like them.
And yeah, their football program, which is the progenitor of so much Notre Dame hatred, hasn't been a great football program since Lou Holtz left, and probably will never be a great program again. Even with an exclusive TV contract that defies explanation.
But I really, really REALLY do not like them.
And, OK, fine. I will admit it. Rudy is a pretty good movie. Despite the fact that no one who had "scholarships to two Big Ten schools" would ever walk on at Notre Dame, for countless reasons. Despite that fact that they gave the only cute girl in the movie two small scenes. Despite the fact that Dan Devine was actually a really nice coach who was pushing for Rudy, but they made him out to be a villain. Still, it's a good movie.
But I really, really REALLY....Do. Not. Like. Them!
And then its Senior Night. And the last home game of the season. And an overachieving Hoya squad with a chance to cement an excellent season, and (with one frustrating little hiccup) a great home court record. And the chance for a coach who actually deserves to be BE COY to take it away from the guy they give it to every year by default. And the double bye. And NCAA seeding. And, without any of that context, the sheer unadulterated joy of watching the Hoyas execute the beautiful offense, a stifling defense and just plain win.
Against Notre Dame.
Have I mentioned that I really, really, REALLY @#$%^&*!!!2 DO!! NOT!! LIKE!! THEM!!!
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Post by Dhall on Feb 27, 2012 11:51:42 GMT -5
Bowen played because everyone else had 2 fouls and there was one Nova possession left in the half. Then he played in garbage time. Let's not read too much into it.
I also prefer Starks coming off the bench, but having Whittington as his replacement is not a great idea (which is actually what happened after the first 30 seconds when Otto went down) - Whitt is extremely shaky with the ball and it's too much to throw him in there as the second "guard" against starters of another team. Our best starting lineup would be Otto for Nate and Jabril for Starks (with both Nate and Starks playing plenty of minutes), but I'd be really surprised if we see that so late in the season.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 27, 2012 12:37:44 GMT -5
ND has only lost 1 home game this year All of their OOC loses were on neutral courts or away. In the BE 3 of their 4 loses are on the road to St. John's, Rutgers, and cinci.
But they have good road wins in BE play: Lousiville, Seton Hall, WV and less impressively Uconn and Nova.
That being said the Irish have always been better at home.
I also really hope that their 3pt shooting is returning to form. They only shoot 33% as a team on the year. They did not shoot well really until this 9 game win streak. They shot terribly against St. John's. I hope it's them regressing to the mean.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 27, 2012 12:46:04 GMT -5
henry has to keep cooley off the offensive glass. cooley makes a living getting offensive rebound putbacks or kicking it out to open shooters.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 27, 2012 13:05:09 GMT -5
Agree with everyone above. For ranking/seeding purposes, losing this game is far more damaging than losing at Marquette or to Cuse in conference tourney semis. Layer on double Bye implications. COY implications. Senior night implications. Possible recruiting implications. Hatred of ND implications.
We really MUST win this game at home. No two ways about it.
Git. Er. Duhn!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 27, 2012 13:26:00 GMT -5
Notre Dame doesn't give up the ball very much and they don't offensive rebound overly well, though if we end up playing a lot of zone, Cooley could have a field day. That means their offense to me comes down to shooting and pretty much just that -- that's not a bad thing necessarily, but it means to me to eventually ND is going to score some points. We aren't going to be able to shut them down to nothing because they don't turn it over and have too many good shooters. And once every few games, they are going to shoot the lights out no matter what.
This is why it's important for us to have a good offensive game. The defense can do all it can, but I really don't want to see a situation late where two random threes in a row bury us. We're at home; we shouldn't be leaving this up to shooting chance if we can help it.
When the Hoyas are on offense, it's good that Notre Dame doesn't force a lot of turnovers, but we know that hasn't always stopped the Hoyas from turning it over. They are a mediocre defensive rebounding team, but there's no huge weakness there.
The Hoyas' offense is hardly dynamic so they need to protect the ball and crash the bounds. I'm normally not a huge drumbeater for fastbreaking, but they should push it if its there -- we can fumble through offense against poor offense/good D teams but we need to score some versus a good but not spectacular Notre Dame offense.
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Post by Filo on Feb 27, 2012 13:31:11 GMT -5
Notre Dame doesn't give up the ball very much and they don't offensive rebound overly well, though if we end up playing a lot of zone, Cooley could have a field day. That means their offense to me comes down to shooting and pretty much just that -- that's not a bad thing necessarily, but it means to me to eventually ND is going to score some points. We aren't going to be able to shut them down to nothing because they don't turn it over and have too many good shooters. And once every few games, they are going to shoot the lights out no matter what. This is why it's important for us to have a good offensive game. The defense can do all it can, but I really don't want to see a situation late where two random threes in a row bury us. We're at home; we shouldn't be leaving this up to shooting chance if we can help it. When the Hoyas are on offense, it's good that Notre Dame doesn't force a lot of turnovers, but we know that hasn't always stopped the Hoyas from turning it over. They are a mediocre defensive rebounding team, but there's no huge weakness there. The Hoyas' offense is hardly dynamic so they need to protect the ball and crash the bounds. I'm normally not a huge drumbeater for fastbreaking, but they should push it if its there -- we can fumble through offense against poor offense/good D teams but we need to score some versus a good but not spectacular Notre Dame offense. Thanks a lot, SF. I was feeling real confident about this game and then you had to go ahead and post that bolded part. Gulp. ;D
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Post by kchoya on Feb 27, 2012 13:35:06 GMT -5
I don't think the difference in teams accounts for the 21 point blowout. Starks is just too weak a defender. It's been true all year. Otto/Trawick is a much better tandem especially since they also bring rebounding and physicality to the mix. Markel should play but as a reserve for Jason and Trawick. Are you really saying that Starks was the sole factor for the 39-point swing from SHU to Nova? Seems like the kid was playing against Uconn, USF, etc., when the Hoyas played steller defense against those teams.
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