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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Aug 11, 2011 17:15:16 GMT -5
Two points on walk-ons: 1. A recruited player becomes an NCAA counter regardless of whether scholarship money is offered. 2. Any Division I player beyond a freshman must have a year in residency before playing sports. Oh come on we all know Julian wasn't on campus a year before competing in men's basketball. There are exceptions to every rule. For a family medical reason, though, right? Do any of the Kenyi rumors indicate that is why he is looking to come home?
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 11, 2011 17:20:55 GMT -5
If he can play PG, then I agree we need to take a serious look if he can back up Markel better than Jabril/Clark can. But I had read where he is more of a 2-3 with a suspect handle in traffic.
A pure defensive specialist at the 2-3 positions gets virtually no time this year with Clark, Hollis, Jabril, Otto, Bowen, Whit.
Good to have more options, regardless.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 11, 2011 17:44:00 GMT -5
Just saw a few clips of Max in the Kenner League video Glidehoya just posted. Good call on whoever said he is a Clark clone call. If he has Clark's game, plus better D....its understandable that the staff would be interested.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Aug 11, 2011 18:06:05 GMT -5
Otto won't see time at the 2. As for Bowen and Whittington, I don't think anybody is sure what they will bring. So, I am all for bringing in a defensive stopper (we really do need one) and upping the competition.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 11, 2011 19:04:21 GMT -5
He was all met player of the year right???.....anyway he doesn't affect us schollie side if he has 2yrs left if he is eligible This.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 11, 2011 20:19:26 GMT -5
Do ivy league players count as recruited players though?
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 11, 2011 20:44:45 GMT -5
Do ivy league players count as recruited players though? And since Ivy League players don't receive athletic scholarships, do they still need to sit out a year if they transfer to another Division I school? I know that the two issues may be completely unrelated, but just wondering. Ivy and Patriot players count as recruited student-athletes in NCAA parlance. And NCAA transfer rules apply regardless of scholarships, i.e., Ryan Dougherty sat out a year at Georgetown after transferring from Rochester. --Admin
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Post by RBHoya on Aug 11, 2011 21:53:09 GMT -5
I don't know his situation, and don't want to speculate, but considering that he'd be coming home, isn't it a possibility that there is an off-court reason for it, similar to Julian? If so, he may be eligible to suit up immediately--and if that's the case, he'd essentially be taking Vee's spot, or would basically be equivalent to a JuCo. Scholarships wouldn't matter because we're already good for 2011 and there are plenty available for the 2012 class. The next year we'll have a scholarship crunch is 2013, so if one way or another Kenyi would be off the books by then, it's a no-brainer.... If he's still going to be counting against the scholarship count in 2013 (when we have no seniors) then it's a tougher call. I know he was excellent at Gonzaga and he's an athlete, but don't know much about what he's done since. If III thinks he'd be valuable in our backcourt, I'm ok with it. The rest would sort itself out via transfer before 2013 anyway.
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Post by dense on Aug 11, 2011 22:30:17 GMT -5
Don'tget why people are saying dont give him a schollie??? He doesnt affect anything in terms of Schollies we were gonna give out anyway...and we might have an open one probably if Hollis leaves early, he basically takes Vee's spot...Im all for bringing him in. He is a great athlete, great defender, and good finisher..he really isnt a PG tho...But he has really long arms....and is very disruptive, he doesnt have much of a jumper either. But I think he would have a role on next yrs team if he was a 2yr player, as a spot guy to come in and defend.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 12, 2011 1:03:38 GMT -5
How many scholarships do you know that JT3 wants to have available for the '12 class? If he takes a scholarship, it's one less to give to a Parker or Warren or another of the several interested top players. I'm going to assume that one '12 scholarship goes to Kyle.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Aug 12, 2011 6:45:09 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Max the Tombs would have not made it to the championship game. His instensity on defense was phenomenal! Jabril was playing the point but was under the opponents basket and there was no one to get back on defense for easy transition baskets for their opponents, so Max ended up staying back and it stop the easy baskets in transition for their opponents...
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Aug 12, 2011 7:11:25 GMT -5
How many scholarships do you know that JT3 wants to have available for the '12 class? If he takes a scholarship, it's one less to give to a Parker or Warren or another of the several interested top players. I'm going to assume that one '12 scholarship goes to Kyle. That.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 12, 2011 7:45:00 GMT -5
It's silly to soak up a 2012 schollie on this guy. He won't see more than 5 minutes a game and will have very little impact. Save it.
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Post by RBHoya on Aug 12, 2011 9:51:44 GMT -5
I don't see any way we're going to need scholarships for 2012. We've got 12 guys on scholarship this year, so one available. That one goes to Bolden. Barring a serious injury we're going to have 3 guys graduate at the end of the year--Clark, Sims, Thompson. Are we really going to sign 3 more guys in addition to Bolden? I can't see it. There just aren't that many guys left on the board that are seriously listing Georgetown and that are high level players. The only good big guy listing us is Tony Parker, who is a longshot (and we've got a pretty big group of freshman and soph bigs next year anyway with Hop, Adams, Bolden and now Ayegba). I think we will end up taking one point or combo guard--Anderson, Smith-Rivera, Rose, or somebody off-the-radar if we miss on all of those. And we'll possibly take 1 best player available type (Warren, Pollard etc.) or a late-bloomer or de-commit type in spring. But I think it's a 3 man class tops, maybe even 2, which is logical after a 4 man class in 2010 and a 5 man class in 2011.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 12, 2011 10:52:42 GMT -5
Don'tget why people are saying dont give him a schollie??? He doesnt affect anything in terms of Schollies we were gonna give out anyway...and we might have an open one probably if Hollis leaves early, he basically takes Vee's spot...Im all for bringing him in. He is a great athlete, great defender, and good finisher..he really isnt a PG tho...But he has really long arms....and is very disruptive, he doesnt have much of a jumper either. But I think he would have a role on next yrs team if he was a 2yr player, as a spot guy to come in and defend. Dense, how is his passing? Does he see the court well? The team will definitely needs guards for next year, especially if KA doesn't come. Also he could help out this years team in practice if he defends as well as touted.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 12, 2011 11:15:23 GMT -5
I don't see any way we're going to need scholarships for 2012. We've got 12 guys on scholarship this year, so one available. That one goes to Bolden. Barring a serious injury we're going to have 3 guys graduate at the end of the year--Clark, Sims, Thompson. Are we really going to sign 3 more guys in addition to Bolden? I can't see it. There just aren't that many guys left on the board that are seriously listing Georgetown and that are high level players. The only good big guy listing us is Tony Parker, who is a longshot (and we've got a pretty big group of freshman and soph bigs next year anyway with Hop, Adams, Bolden and now Ayegba). I think we will end up taking one point or combo guard--Anderson, Smith-Rivera, Rose, or somebody off-the-radar if we miss on all of those. And we'll possibly take 1 best player available type (Warren, Pollard etc.) or a late-bloomer or de-commit type in spring. But I think it's a 3 man class tops, maybe even 2, which is logical after a 4 man class in 2010 and a 5 man class in 2011. First, as much as we like our current roster, there's always space for top talent/recruit. Given the solid base, JT3 is in a position to look for the best available talent. Secondly, Clark and Sims graduate and use up their eligibility this year. Hollis can return the year after for his 4th year. Whether he does or not will depend on this coming season, if he's made up his mind (like DS) and his NBA camp evaluations. I'm sure he'll discuss it with JT3. So, that's 2 scholarships, plus one if Hollis leaves. If Bolden does not sign, that's 4, without considering possible transfers. 2 sure things and 2 possibles... We need a guard and a "5" and, in the class of '12, we're looking at Drummond (whatever the possibility), Parker, Upshaw and others (Blaise M., etc...). Those three are top talents considering us. Getting Anderson and one of those bigs will be huge and will put the staff in an enviable position for the other sholarship(s) (Warren Pollard, etc... or wait).
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Aug 12, 2011 11:16:49 GMT -5
How many scholarships do you know that JT3 wants to have available for the '12 class? If he takes a scholarship, it's one less to give to a Parker or Warren or another of the several interested top players. I'm going to assume that one '12 scholarship goes to Kyle. right....
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Post by dense on Aug 12, 2011 11:24:19 GMT -5
You guys act as though we are going to get 3top level guys in 2012.....we aren't. And if we do there will be attrition. So why not have a guy who can play at this level who has a specific role.warren, Anderson and parker are not all coming here. We still will in all likelyhood have 2 schollies to hand out seems easy for me. We have 13 schollies, have we ever been fully committed in the jt3 era.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 12, 2011 11:37:20 GMT -5
Let's start with Anderson and go form there, but the solid base seems to be in place. As to the 13 scholarships, I don't think we'll go there unless is top, top talent. It's a balancing act, plus the staff will know about transfer possibilities. We need available scholarships for the '13 class.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Aug 12, 2011 12:02:58 GMT -5
We shouldn't be speculating on Bolden's status. Everything points to him being here.
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