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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 5, 2011 16:39:57 GMT -5
Good thing we didn't need a tiebreaker in the Syr-DePaul game. The Orangemen are up 52-21 with under three minutes left in the first half.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 5, 2011 16:40:07 GMT -5
I think we'll see Chris Wright suit up on Wednesday and the last three games will be moot. We will pick up right where we left off...down 7 to Cincy at home.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 5, 2011 16:41:05 GMT -5
Bronxie has a hard time imagining Wright being a factor from here.
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Post by deacon on Mar 5, 2011 16:41:19 GMT -5
This game doesn't bring anger--it brings sadness. Just rock bottom in all honesty. Not because of the game--but because it was obvious how LONG the climb back up is going to be and how far the "small ball" approach took the program backwards. Lack of athleticism has been obvious for a long time-so that's understandable but they didn't do anything to in terms of effort plays--like going and getting ball, getting loose balls, identifying shooters, no strength with ball, it was just the areas that without an important player--you've got to polish up. Vaughn/Freeman/Clark just have to play better--and I'm just stunned that Clark is allowed to continue to start. It's a failure--you've got to go to a true PG so you don't kill the team--by making Freeman do far too much. He can play some point in a pinch but he's got to score and efficiently with this team-and he can't now. Vaughn's been awful 2 of last 3 games-but he's trying--he's just not a very good player--but he gives his all. Better talent/athletes are intimidating him. Just hope he can get some boards and provide some fouls--which he did. Lubick--know Pops mentioned he's got to step up--but he's not that caliber player--yet. It's frustrating to have open 15 foot jumpers and nobody on team taking them. If Nate's going to hoist a 3 once in a while--TAKE THAT DAMN 15 footer! It's given to Hoyas--and he gets ball to the spot--take it! Everyone had major part in lack of defensive attention--and that's sad. Same mistakes being made. Same people making them. No corrections. Shows lack of want to and/or lack of hoops IQ. Always bickering when a guy has to come over and hammer a wide open player preventing a dunk or as he gets 3pt play. It's a TEAM thing--not an individual--and individuals might screw up the same thing--but it takes a TEAM to correct it. Let's be honest--if you have a guy who is going to be the point guard next year--and your SR starter is out--he's GOT to play or that leaves door open that maybe you need to upgrade the position. There is nothing positive about seeing Clark/Freeman backcourt on either end. It's brutal. If Starks can't supplant Clark now--which I believe helps everyone else stay "normal"--then I'm not feeling "comfy" about next year. He's a Soph now--he's played enough--give him the ball! NOBODY on this team should have a set spot in lineup next year. NOBODY. There isn't one guy you can say is a great talent/player. I think they can develop into better players--but not with a Starks/Clark backcourt-that is too small and Clarks' played himself out of a spot in lineup. Not from these last 3 games-but his play all season. Know it'll likely NOT go down like this--he'll start, they'll be small-but major work needs to go into his game if he plans on playing more then 20 mpg to be a contributor moving forward. ATHLETICISM/SIZE/SKILL are needed. For a small team--it's not very skilled. Good news--it's never as rotten as it looks-but this was a wakeup call and if it's not--hate to see what it'll take to get the message. This.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 5, 2011 16:42:25 GMT -5
Bronxie has a hard time imagining Wright being a factor from here. Sleepy has a hard time imagining he won't be.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2011 16:42:52 GMT -5
Is Starks really the answer at PG, though? he is a young kid, no doubt. i'd like to see a little more from him on the court, to make the claim he is the future at PG for the program. seems much more like a undersized off-guard than PG to me at this point. I think people have elevated him because they hated Chis Wright and also becasue of the void now with Wright's injury. Kind of like the bring in Gus Ferrotte movement. I dunno how good he will be. It certainly insulting to say he will be better than McD's All American Chris Wright, especially after all Wrights' accomplihed. Are any other point guards coming in next year.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 5, 2011 16:43:15 GMT -5
Whether or not Wright suits up, if Clark and Vaughn continue to play as poorly they are doing, and Lubick remains unable to take a shot, Freeman and Thompson can't carry this team past Wednesday.
That having been said, I'd much rather play Marquette than, say, UConn.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Mar 5, 2011 16:43:36 GMT -5
I assume the people that are so confident in Markel are basing it off of his play in HS, because he hasn't shown much this season. A few flashes here and there, but in the end he couldn't shoot, penetrate, set up teammates, or defend. Occasional quicks aren't enough for me to be confident in him as our starting (and only) PG next year.
I also saw pretty much all of his games in Kenner, and while he certainly looked better than he did in the Big East, his play didn't exactly scream future star. He was clearly less impressive than Sanford and Pe'shon Howard, for example.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 5, 2011 16:44:49 GMT -5
Markel has shown nothing.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 5, 2011 16:46:38 GMT -5
Whether or not Wright suits up, if Clark and Vaughn continue to play as poorly they are doing, and Lubick remains unable to take a shot, Freeman and Thompson can't carry this team past Wednesday. That having been said, I'd much rather play Marquette than, say, UConn. I'd take Uconn everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. We actually match up well with them if Chris comes back and he actually slows down and controls the tempo this time. The loss to them last time is all on him imo. Maybe playing with a broken hand will slow him down this time.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2011 16:47:17 GMT -5
I assume the people that are so confident in Markel are basing it off of his play in HS, because he hasn't shown much this season. A few flashes here and there, but in the end he couldn't shoot, penetrate, set up teammates, or defend. Occasional quicks aren't enough for me to be confident in him as our starting (and only) PG next year. On the bright side next year, Lubick and the other bigs and newcomes maybe able to take the heat off the point much like Monroe and Hibbert did. Wallace wasn't really a true point and couldn't penetrate. Sapp wasn't a true point either IMO though he did have the ability to penetrate a little.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2011 16:48:29 GMT -5
Whether or not Wright suits up, if Clark and Vaughn continue to play as poorly they are doing, and Lubick remains unable to take a shot, Freeman and Thompson can't carry this team past Wednesday. That having been said, I'd much rather play Marquette than, say, UConn. I'd take Uconn everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. We actually match up well with them if Chris comes back and he actually slows down and controls the tempo this time. The loss to them last time is all on him imo. Maybe playing with a broken hand will slow him down this time. I'd take Marqueette without Wright. That's more winnable IMO. Kemba Walker plus the bigs like Oriachi will kill us.
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Post by gohoyas408 on Mar 5, 2011 16:48:52 GMT -5
I think Jabril will be as good as advertised.
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Post by robbyt on Mar 5, 2011 16:49:54 GMT -5
robbyt, I'm sorry, but you are crazy. To expect this team to be better next year is absolute insanity; there is no evidence whatsoever to back it up. We are losing 3 of our 4 best players, and we don't have anyone returning that is better than a 4th option right now. You seem to primarily be basing your prediction on the court vision of a PG who has a lower assist rate than Henry Sims. We are going to struggle badly to score next year barring some massive improvements from guys like Starks, Lubick, and Thompson. We desperately need to find a star in the 2012 class, because we haven't gotten one since Monroe and I don't see one in 2011 either (although I do think all 3 guys have the potential to be solid players). Either you can see Starks is good or you can't. Looks like you can't. Keep checkin those stats.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 5, 2011 16:50:32 GMT -5
I assume the people that are so confident in Markel are basing it off of his play in HS, because he hasn't shown much this season. A few flashes here and there, but in the end he couldn't shoot, penetrate, set up teammates, or defend. Occasional quicks aren't enough for me to be confident in him as our starting (and only) PG next year. I also saw pretty much all of his games in Kenner, and while he certainly looked better than he did in the Big East, his play didn't exactly scream future star. He was clearly less impressive than Sanford and Pe'shon Howard, for example. Personally, I'm confident in Markel b/c it's that or Seppuku. #FreeVee
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Post by sleepy on Mar 5, 2011 16:51:12 GMT -5
Oh for God's sake this year isn't over yet. Next year will be a completely different animal that isn't even worth discussing because so much will have to change in adjust during the offseason. This season isn't a real reflection of next year because the approach will be much different, relying more on the system than on the players which is what we have been doing the last 3 years. Unfortunately when you rely on the players and they get hurt you suck. Thats really the only thing one can extrapolate from the last three games.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 5, 2011 16:52:39 GMT -5
I'd take Uconn everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. We actually match up well with them if Chris comes back and he actually slows down and controls the tempo this time. The loss to them last time is all on him imo. Maybe playing with a broken hand will slow him down this time. I'd take Marqueette without Wright. That's more winnable IMO. Kemba Walker plus the bigs like Oriachi will kill us. We aren't winning any games without Wright though, so thats kind of moot. I think he'll be back on Wednesday for some reason, and if he is I'd rather face Uconn.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 5, 2011 16:53:21 GMT -5
Oh for God's sake this year isn't over yet. Next year will be a completely different animal that isn't even worth discussing because so much will have to change in adjust during the offseason. This season isn't a real reflection of next year because the approach will be much different, relying more on the system than on the players which is what we have been doing the last 3 years. Unfortunately when you rely on the players and they get hurt you suck. Thats really the only thing one can extrapolate from the last three games. Agreed. Season isnt over yet. Let's wait a few weeks before we go into this tailspin.
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Post by skkhoya07 on Mar 5, 2011 16:53:43 GMT -5
Markel has shown nothing. we don't run a "pick up game" offense like St. Johns if Markel stepped onto that team, then he would dominate our offense is more contrived and requires a higher bball IQ ---and has a learning curve---- time for adjustment is needed Starks has shown plenty when given the chances, which were few this season
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 5, 2011 16:54:23 GMT -5
I think Chris will play this year, but why bother for the BE? Clearly, he can use the extra week to heal.
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