skkhoya07
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Post by skkhoya07 on Feb 1, 2011 14:55:44 GMT -5
And the Bennimon Myth continues. Nate needs a breather. We're short at the big position. Nonsense. Nate, Julian, Simms can all play power forward. . Sims and Julian cannot play PF in III's system because the 4 needs to be able to float around the 3 point line to facilitate the offense (i.e. timed dribble-backdoor passes) please not that III tried sims at the 4 but his dribbling and passing were not up to par, so III moved sims to the 5. |
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Post by kchoya on Feb 1, 2011 14:56:12 GMT -5
Benimon is scary bad. He is a homeless man's Sam Jefferson. (Why did he foul Billy O....why Sammy why)? His 3 on 1 charge (was not really a charge was par for the course) was the story of his career. If he is ever getting major minutes we are in trouble. 3-6 mins a game is where he is supposed to be. On the other hand Bronxie likes Vee but he is stuck behind better players right now. For a moment, I thought hell froze over and you didn't refer to yourself in the third person. Then I got to the end. The earth is still on its axis.  kchoya approves of this comment. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 1, 2011 15:20:48 GMT -5
A little late in response - but my impression was that RDF set up a comical thread on Vee - I found Weed's comment to go in a serious, non-sequitur direction. We're just poking fun. I am certain the Weed has superior parenting techniques and did not intend to denigrate his character.
I'm just glad that Vee is Vee and no one else's momma's boy. Free Vee!!!
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 1, 2011 15:39:57 GMT -5
Sims and Julian cannot play PF in III's system because the 4 needs to be able to float around the 3 point line to facilitate the offense (i.e. timed dribble-backdoor passes) please not that III tried sims at the 4 but his dribbling and passing were not up to par, so III moved sims to the 5. I have yet to see Bennimon throw a timed dribble-backdoor pass successfully. All I see him do is hang around the perimeter with his hands down and sling no look passes around the 3pt circle. |
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 1, 2011 16:28:33 GMT -5
In Jerelle's defense, he appears to be a coach's player as well. He's always ready, does what the coach asks him to, consistently plays hard, unselfishly and with enthusiasm and appears to be well liked amongst the team. In short he plays like a walk on but with the athleticism of a regular. Clearly his talent level is not as high as some but it is not hard to see why he gets regular minutes. He's the kind of guy who probably still won't be starting as a senior but will probably be a team captain, playing a role akin to what Tyler Crawford gave us in his last two years.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 1, 2011 16:41:53 GMT -5
Also, for what it's worth, Jerelle's minutes per game have actually declined slightly since last year (11.7 mpg in 2010-11 vs. 12.1 in 2009-10), while Vee's have increased more significantly, from 4.8 to 7.4.
These changes have happened despite having more backcourt depth, and arguably less frontcourt depth.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 1, 2011 16:52:01 GMT -5
Also, for what it's worth, Jerelle's minutes per game have actually declined slightly since last year (11.7 mpg in 2010-11 vs. 12.1 in 2009-10), while Vee's have increased more significantly, from 4.8 to 7.4. These changes have happened despite having more backcourt depth, and arguably less frontcourt depth. Additionally it seems that Jerelle's minutes have decreased recently...did we even see him in the 2nd? Maybe his leash for mistakes is being tightened? |
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Post by bmartin on Feb 1, 2011 16:56:12 GMT -5
Everybody on here wanted Hollis to play the three instead of the four. That means Benimon gets a few minutes at the four backing Lubick and when Hollis plays the three with Freeman or Clark at the two, some of his minutes come at the expense of Vee.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 1, 2011 17:24:54 GMT -5
I'm just surprised the Mods have not edited or deleted the transfer speculation part of the post, parents and all... ...some of us have been in meetings all day (yes, we actually work for a living - shocker, I know) and in our spare time have been trying to escape DC. |
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Post by gujake on Feb 1, 2011 17:31:51 GMT -5
Everybody on here wanted Hollis to play the three instead of the four. That means Benimon gets a few minutes at the four backing Lubick and when Hollis plays the three with Freeman or Clark at the two, some of his minutes come at the expense of Vee. It is really as simple as this. Though I am not a big fan of Benimon, I am fine with him playing his 10mpg if it means that Hollis doesn't have to play the 4 as much. And I'll give Benimon some credit, his defense has improved quite a bit. He is still a liability on offense, but he is pretty good defensively right now. |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 1, 2011 17:49:51 GMT -5
Also, for what it's worth, Jerelle's minutes per game have actually declined slightly since last year (11.7 mpg in 2010-11 vs. 12.1 in 2009-10), while Vee's have increased more significantly, from 4.8 to 7.4. These changes have happened despite having more backcourt depth, and arguably less frontcourt depth. It is worth noting that Vee has 3 DNPs, to none for Benimon. But as others have said, this "debate" is silly--the two play totally different positions, and with Hollis now seeing more of his minutes at SF, rather than PF, someone was going to have to see time at the 4. And I'm definitely a Benimon "hater" most of the time. |
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 1, 2011 17:50:43 GMT -5
Additionally it seems that Jerelle's minutes have decreased recently...did we even see him in the 2nd? Maybe his leash for mistakes is being tightened? I think it's less of a leash issue and more that Nate's time has been increasing. In BIG EAST play, Jerelle's averaging about 8 minutes per game, vs 15 mpg in the OOC schedule. |
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Post by prhoya on Feb 1, 2011 17:59:13 GMT -5
I'm just surprised the Mods have not edited or deleted the transfer speculation part of the post, parents and all... ...some of us have been in meetings all day (yes, we actually work for a living - shocker, I know) and in our spare time have been trying to escape DC. Smart phone...  |
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Post by the_way on Feb 1, 2011 18:28:44 GMT -5
Jerelle give us more than Vee does right now.
That may change in the next 2 years or it may not.
Both kids are Hoyas. Both should be supported for their efforts.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 1, 2011 19:30:02 GMT -5
Jerelle give us more than Vee does right now. That may change in the next 2 years or it may not. Both kids are Hoyas. Both should be supported for their efforts. Bravo. Never understood "fans" wanting to badmouth our own guys - not just question or criticize a particular play or decision, or even a bad game, but rather slamming every single mistake over an entire season. If the coach has faith, I have faith. |
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Post by 757hoyafan on Feb 1, 2011 21:03:04 GMT -5
Amen to the last 2 posts
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Post by calhoya on Feb 1, 2011 21:30:55 GMT -5
Will not likely be all-conference, but Jerelle has sold me on his effort and intensity. Not saying that he deserves 12 minutes a game, but 3-4 minutes a half is important if we are really going to rest our starters and play everyone at their best position--meaning Hollis at the 3. Have never seen Jerelle play at anything other than 100%. If he comes in and can get 2-3 rebounds and an occasional bucket and give Lubick a rest--good.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 1, 2011 21:38:22 GMT -5
When Vee grows 6 inches and puts on 35 pounds in the offseason, this will be a really interesting thread. Who'll be laughing then?
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Post by richfame on Feb 1, 2011 21:41:55 GMT -5
the answer to the origional question is 2 fold:
1. Guard Depth already mentioned in this thread
2. JT3 does not want to give up on a big that he may need in the future. Look what would have happened if Coach gave up on Sims. We would have lost a solid player this year. Bigs take longer to develop. Now sure you can counter and say well Benemon is not a 6-10 center and yes I get that. Still I think these is the answer to the question.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 1, 2011 22:37:25 GMT -5
2. JT3 does not want to give up on a big that he may need in the future. Look what would have happened if Coach gave up on Sims. We would have lost a solid player this year. Bigs take longer to develop. Now sure you can counter and say well Benemon is not a 6-10 center and yes I get that. Still I think these is the answer to the question. A 6-6 power forward with no offense and no hops. Good luck with that in the Big East. They should have a dance off between Vee and Bennimon to see who gets Bennimon's minutes. |
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