jester
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Post by jester on Jan 13, 2011 9:58:57 GMT -5
I am concerned that our players are not buying into the offense. They already seem to be jogging through their cuts.
However, Huggins said he used a gimmick defense and Wright said they kept running the same plays.
Now Pitt says that they new all the plays as they were going to happen, and we couldnt adjust...but JTIII seemed to scoff at scouting in the postgame conference and claims we always have 3rd, 4th options...
Even in the good times never felt JTIII was one who truly gameplanned for a particular opponent with the best of them...and obvi our offense works well against inexperienced nonconference teams (Duke refused to guard the backdoor). But does JTIII need to adjust his coaching more now that he has been in BE for a while? Defensively other than effort can we step it up by gaming planning better for opponents? I am sure losing assistants has been a problem in that area.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Jan 13, 2011 10:07:25 GMT -5
Only read the last couple of pages of this thread, so apologize if I'm repeating some stuff.
The defense wasn't great today. To be honest, I didn't think we did an abysmal job most of the time, given that Pitt has an elite offense, but we basically decided to let Gibbs be unguarded for a stretch of 4 minutes in the first half that effectively broke our back. I don't know how we kept losing him...it was insane. But outside of that, I don't think defense per se was our problem.
I think our offense is still the problem. People can gripe about the princeton-esque offense, but everyone's seen it work. It's worked in the past, it worked last year, and it worked int he OOC this year. What keeps it from working right now are two things.
1. Our utter inability to shoot from the outside. Chris I thought did a nice job finding shooters in the second half. But our shooting percentage cannot be in the 20s. This needs to be fixed, even if the guards spend all of the rest of this week's practice shooting 3's.
2. Lack of movement. This was starkly apparent to me at the game in a way it hasn't been while watching on tv. The ballhandler and one other cutter is moving--and it's always the obvious cutter who cuts from the elbow extended when the dribbler is moving towards him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I dont think we're seeing the degree of movement that we've seen before. It's almost like we're playing a two man game through the princeton. And that befits neither the two man game nor the princeton. This same problem is why when the ball goes into Julian or Henry, they just sit with it there. Guys are standing still instead of moving around. We had one good cut to the basket off Henry at the elbow (Nate of course bricked two FTs as was the theme of the night for the team).
I guess offensively, it's part other teams adjusting to what we're doing. But part of it appears to be us not doing what we're supposed to be.
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jester
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Post by jester on Jan 13, 2011 10:12:57 GMT -5
chep3, I agree. Ball movement alone should get you open shots...and I don't think they are moving it enough, crisply enough, or fast enough to keep a D on their toes. I also think having new players hurts us here if they are overthinking, but at the same time we have all seen Benimon, Clark, JV throw inexcusable lazy passes or not look comfortable with ball. I thought we did a better job of less horribel TOs...but the offense looked as stale as I have seen it.
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Post by sweetness on Jan 13, 2011 10:13:07 GMT -5
I agree with jester - I think other teams are gameplanning us far better than we are them. Guys are missing shots, but we are not getting great looks. I also agree with chep that the movement is clearly not there. We are completely bogged down.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Jan 13, 2011 10:14:31 GMT -5
As for the crowd stuff, I'm on both sides of it. We shouldn't be booing our players. They aren't professionals, they're just kids. You can be frustrated...I certainly spent most of the timeouts with my head in my hands. But you can't boo. That being said, I didn't hear much of it, except for going into the half.
Students can't leave early. That's bush. What the hell else do they have to do?
The fans were good today in my opinion. Maybe I'm just comparing them subconsciously to the WVU game (now that I think about it, having yesterday nights fan support for the WVU game would've been nice). I thought they were into it early on and got into it late. But you can't expect the fans (at least the non-students) to be on their feet and loud when we're so methodically taken out of the game. The game was over by the under 8 of the first half, barring some huge run. We got a mini-run and the crowd was in it. That's all you can ask for out of the non-students in my opinion.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 13, 2011 10:48:34 GMT -5
Agreed, no booing college kids. I didn't hear much of it and I think a lot of it was directed towards the refs in some instances.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 13, 2011 11:31:03 GMT -5
I've taken a HoyaTalk hiatus for a few weeks (Finals, in-laws had no working internet, vacation had no working internet, had nothing good to say after ND, SJU and WVU), but after going to my first game of the season last night and watching that, I can't help myself. It was dreadful. Spare me the, 'No one should boo, they feed off the crowd!!!! You're killing them when you boo!' dreck. If you need fans to get you amped up to play the No. 5 team in the country to end a 1-3 game slide, then you're not ready for big time college hoops (And that's not me saying these guys aren't ready, just that if that's the argument then they're not). I won't throw a bomb out there and say "Where's the effort?" The guys are trying, just in the wrong way. We used to make things happen. We pressed our way into a win against ODU, we took it to Utah State and CREATED great looks. We went at Missouri's full court press and ATTACKED. We straight outplayed Memphis. Now, we're patient to the point of being lazy. We 'take what they give us' instead of creating what we want. The defensive lapses aren't that shocking considering we continue to let every BE team dictate the game, constantly putting us on our heels. None of this is new to any of us, but I saw a moment last night I thought could change things. A moment that might have been the spark. Details escape me and I'm not going to bother checking the play-by-play. JV gets the ball on the block, makes a move to the hoop and from the far side of the arena it looked like he was hacked, but makes the hoop anyway. AND ONE! Wait, traveling is called. I couldn't see it, but JT3 sure looked Editeded off about it. Enough to launch himself off the bench, pointing at Driscoll. Now, at this moment, I'm stoked. We're down 16 or 17 points. We're 1-3 in Big East play. The entire team is playing like a steaming pile of Jack's finest. And there's our Coach, finally looking like he has some life in him. I'm screaming for JT3 to get a technical, wanting it so badly not just for him, but for the team and the arena and everyone associated with this program. Just show some emotion for once, get a well-deserved technical. You're getting killed, your team is in a slump of historic proportions (1-4 to start the BE....), just do it. Pull the trigger and see what happens. See if the team finally responds to something. And then he turned and walked back to the bench as he always does. And we went on lose by 15. lurker, from what they showed on TV, it looked like JTIII went after the ref more than once, started back for the bench once or twice then turned to complain some more. May have been a case of the ref realizing he may have blown the call and therefore not wanting to call a T no matter what was said.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 13, 2011 11:31:24 GMT -5
I think that these guys still really don't understand the offense. They play like a quarterback who throws to the primary receiver who is covered instead of reading the defense and finding the open receiver.
If Greg Monroe's defender had jumped the high post screen the way McGhee did all night, Monroe would have immediately rolled to the basket for a layup.
If Wallace's defender or Sapp's defender had overplayed the pass to the wing they way Pitt did all night, either would have slashed to the elbow for a short jumper or if the defense rotated, a pass to a baseline cutter.
The offense is designed to punish teams that overplay the way that Pitt did last night. The offense is supposed to put pressure on the defense by making them react to cutters and ball movement.
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Post by hoyatables on Jan 13, 2011 12:16:07 GMT -5
I think that these guys still really don't understand the offense. They play like a quarterback who throws to the primary receiver who is covered instead of reading the defense and finding the open receiver. If Greg Monroe's defender had jumped the high post screen the way McGhee did all night, Monroe would have immediately rolled to the basket for a layup. If Wallace's defender or Sapp's defender had overplayed the pass to the wing they way Pitt did all night, either would have slashed to the elbow for a short jumper or if the defense rotated, a pass to a baseline cutter. The offense is designed to punish teams that overplay the way that Pitt did last night. The offense is supposed to put pressure on the defense by making them react to cutters and ball movement. *ding ding ding* *touches finger to noise*
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 13, 2011 12:22:02 GMT -5
Hey, anybody count the number of time Austin got in good defensive position during the game -- knees bent, on his toes, hands up?
It's less than one, I'll tell you that. And he's not the only one.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 13, 2011 12:51:01 GMT -5
Hey, anybody count the number of time Austin got in good defensive position during the game -- knees bent, on his toes, hands up? It's less than one, I'll tell you that. And he's not the only one. Hands up, no, but Jason's pretty good at putting out his right hand and trying to touch the ball, though
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Post by chep3 on Jan 13, 2011 13:28:29 GMT -5
Hey, anybody count the number of time Austin got in good defensive position during the game -- knees bent, on his toes, hands up? It's less than one, I'll tell you that. And he's not the only one. Jesus christ that annoyed me to no end. Why do we play defense without our hands up? Get your hands active and leave them out. We're playing the Raquel Welch school of defense.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 13, 2011 16:23:16 GMT -5
That's it. I'm done with the Hoyas. I am a fair-weather fan; will come back when they start to win! Just kidding (or if I texted JK). But something serious has to be done. The stat of the game for me, who didn't see or hear it, but only looked in the box score was five assists for Georgetown, four coming from Chris.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 14, 2011 6:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 14, 2011 7:10:03 GMT -5
Wow, forgot that Chuck Driesell was still in coaching. . .
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