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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 12, 2011 22:49:08 GMT -5
I'm curious if, just like players transferring out, the lack of continuity of our assistant coaches hurts the program as well. They have to learn JTIII's game as well. We have a new set of assistants so often I a) don't know what capabilities they bring to the program, and b) question how much they can contribute having worked with JTIII for such a short time.
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Post by TX Hoya on Jan 12, 2011 22:52:47 GMT -5
Bring back the Big Ticket!
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 12, 2011 22:55:13 GMT -5
I'm curious if, just like players transferring out, the lack of continuity of our assistant coaches hurts the program as well. They have to learn JTIII's game as well. We have a new set of assistants so often I a) don't know what capabilities they bring to the program, and b) question how much they can contribute having worked with JTIII for such a short time. It's a good point. but aside from the continuity, JT III's first staff was great. I mean, absolutely terrific. don't think he's gotten back to that quality yet.
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Post by gujake on Jan 12, 2011 23:03:44 GMT -5
I actually thought our defense wasn't too bad given that we were playing against the #1 offense and, well, we suck at defense. It was better than I expected. Definitely not GOOD, but better than what I expected. Pitt make a lot of contested shots in the first half.
Unfortunately defense isn't our only problem anymore.
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Post by RDF on Jan 12, 2011 23:05:14 GMT -5
I'm confused by this thread-I thought Hoyas played Syracuse tonight???
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Post by TX Hoya on Jan 12, 2011 23:09:45 GMT -5
I'm confused by this thread-I thought Hoyas played Syracuse tonight??? Bob Knight is either delusional or has a secret relationship with Boeheim. It was a joke how many times he screwed that up.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 12, 2011 23:37:32 GMT -5
I actually thought the crowd was pretty good, especially when we made our mini-runs in the 2nd half to cut it to 11-12 points. But every time there was a play to be had to bring down the house and force Dixon to call a timeout, we just couldn't break through (JC's missed 3, the 2 minute defensive possession on our end that killed the clock, and Gibb's 3 on the next possession). Crowd was into it, and CW was visibly urging the students on.
Pitt's a better team than us, and they played like it tonight. It only stings more because we lost to SJU and WVU following up to this game. If there are two games Hoya fans should get angry at for losing, it is those two games and not tonight.
Hopefully the road trip to Jersey does our boys some good.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 13, 2011 0:08:59 GMT -5
Two points about the offense.
First, when McGhee hedged on the high screen before the guard even got to the screener, then Vaughn or Henry should forget about setting the screen and cut to the basket. It was wide open. Too many times, our guards dribbled away from the basket to get around the double team of the hedger and the trailing guard but we did not make them pay for overplaying 25 feet out there by finding the open man. When we get opponents to overplay and double-team someone, that is supposed to result in an easy basket for us. That is what the whole offensive scheme is based on.
Second, the one shot that we really need to be able to hit is the corner three. That shot is open against almost any team with a good cut and a couple of crisp passes. The corner three is the most important threat to spread out the defense so they can't pack the middle. If we hit the corner three, then it opens up the inside-outside passing and the dribble penetration from the wing.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 13, 2011 0:33:59 GMT -5
Hopefully the road trip to Jersey does our boys some good. As someone from the Garden State, I can tell you that a trip to Jersey never does anyone much good.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 13, 2011 0:40:30 GMT -5
Hopefully the road trip to Jersey does our boys some good. As someone from the Garden State, I can tell you that a trip to Jersey never does anyone much good. As someone also from the Garden State, we can agree to disagree.
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Post by Bando on Jan 13, 2011 1:06:14 GMT -5
My various thoughts (people with actual expertise encouraged to chime in/critique):
1. Our defense has sucked all year, but usually our offense masks it. Pitt broke down our D ridiculously easy. I guess our strategy is to deny the good shot at the expense of forcing turnovers, but it just forces us to play defense for most of the shot clock, sapping our guys of energy and making the defense easier to break down as the game progresses.
2. Can anyone who's played organized basketball explain to me how such a profound and pervasive (as in, all three of our guards) slump comes about? I mean, one can't just forget how to shoot, right? I'd like to blame it all on opponents keying in on them on D, and while that's likely the case tonight, we've been missing wide open looks for a few games now. We're we overperforming during the non-conference season and we're just regressing to the mean now? Did some gypsy cast a curse? Seriously, I'm at a loss.
3. I don't boo this team ever. That said, I certainly don't blame anyone for booing. It isn't like the team's working hard and playing well and we're losing, a boo is uncalled for there.
4. I stayed throughout, but I don't blame anyone for leaving. Trust me, it's not a matter of disrespect. I was seriously considering leaving when we were down 22, not because I was disrespectful of the team, but because I couldn't bear to watch anymore. I'm sure the others who left felt the same way.
5. Bando quote from a month ago: "What are you doing? Give the ball to Austin!" Bando quote from tonight: "Don't give it to Austin, he sucks!" His scoring tonight masks his tremendous inefficiency.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 13, 2011 1:54:42 GMT -5
My various thoughts (people with actual expertise encouraged to chime in/critique): 3. I don't boo this team ever. That said, I certainly don't blame anyone for booing. It isn't like the team's working hard and playing well and we're losing, a boo is uncalled for there. . I honestly don't see how you can say this. They are clearly working hard and giving it their best effort. It just hasn't been good enough these first 5 Big East games.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 13, 2011 5:24:32 GMT -5
this reminds me of two years ago. 5 assists? this falls on thompson as much as the players. i just wanted to comment on the quote of the day on the front page from ashton gibbs. what exactly isn't classy about it? i love teams that take the 'step on their throat' approach. that is one of the things THIS team is lacking. the killer instinct. that is why i like the way pitt plays. they get in your face and don't let up for 40 minutes. that is what georgetown was built on in the 80's. some people have a very short memory.
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Post by berrypatch26 on Jan 13, 2011 8:15:49 GMT -5
So sad to see this happen, so unnecessary too. It's really a very simple game after all, with no need for all sorts of complicated stuff on defense or offense. Rule 1. Prepare for a war. Rule 2. Deny your man the ball, all game long. Rule 3. Go the basket, all game long.
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Post by hoyaheaven on Jan 13, 2011 8:35:12 GMT -5
NIT.
A Princeton mentality.
It won't get better.
III no longer controls this team
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 13, 2011 8:53:54 GMT -5
The primary problem yet again was missing easy shots. We got a number of wide open threes at the beginning of the game that did not go in (except for one) and a number of free throws that didn't either. In both cases, the problem was not systemic or a sign of lack of effort: the system and effort produced good offensive opportunities. We also tried going to the post, but didn't get production there either (or when we did, it was at the line, and we missed). We actually scored a number of points on second-chance put-backs, so the effort in that sense was good.
It's very simple: when the threes aren't going in and the post is not producing, there's no chance that the cuts for easy layups will be there. That leaves dribble-drives: we did that with some success but when the defense collapsed, we didn't make the open kicks. So, that ultimately didn't work either.
It doesn't matter what offense you run; if you don't make the open shots, you won't win.
We again didn't play well defensively, but we didn't play horrifically. And we rebounded well.
As for the crowd: what do you want the crowd to do? They were loud during the few periods that the team gave them hope, but the team isn't going to cheer and go crazy when the team is going from down 12 to down 17 and then staying there for most of the game.
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Post by HoyaSouth on Jan 13, 2011 9:16:02 GMT -5
NIT. A Princeton mentality. It won't get better. III no longer controls this team Be careful. You'll get that your posts stripped or get banned for saying that. I do think its starting to sink in. "Top 5 coach" 9:20 am: Either move on or expect to lose posting privileges. Consider this formal notice--Admin
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Post by HoyaNCCT on Jan 13, 2011 9:26:14 GMT -5
I'm sick of us all thinking we're just missing shots. One of the first things that any high school or middle school coach teaches you is that if you're shots aren't falling, you have to get to the rim. Georgetown has not gotten to the rim in years. If you have a wide open 3, it usually means that you also have a lane to the basket or at least the ability to take a few steps in and knock down a two.
This teams looks flat, heartless and lost out there. The team completely lacks a killer instinct.
If this was my team, we would have been running sprints for an hour after that game because we clearly didn't leave it all on the court.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Jan 13, 2011 9:38:58 GMT -5
I've taken a HoyaTalk hiatus for a few weeks (Finals, in-laws had no working internet, vacation had no working internet, had nothing good to say after ND, SJU and WVU), but after going to my first game of the season last night and watching that, I can't help myself. It was dreadful. Spare me the, 'No one should boo, they feed off the crowd!!!! You're killing them when you boo!' dreck. If you need fans to get you amped up to play the No. 5 team in the country to end a 1-3 game slide, then you're not ready for big time college hoops (And that's not me saying these guys aren't ready, just that if that's the argument then they're not).
I won't throw a bomb out there and say "Where's the effort?" The guys are trying, just in the wrong way. We used to make things happen. We pressed our way into a win against ODU, we took it to Utah State and CREATED great looks. We went at Missouri's full court press and ATTACKED. We straight outplayed Memphis. Now, we're patient to the point of being lazy. We 'take what they give us' instead of creating what we want. The defensive lapses aren't that shocking considering we continue to let every BE team dictate the game, constantly putting us on our heels.
None of this is new to any of us, but I saw a moment last night I thought could change things. A moment that might have been the spark. Details escape me and I'm not going to bother checking the play-by-play. JV gets the ball on the block, makes a move to the hoop and from the far side of the arena it looked like he was hacked, but makes the hoop anyway. AND ONE! Wait, traveling is called. I couldn't see it, but JT3 sure looked Editeded off about it. Enough to launch himself off the bench, pointing at Driscoll.
Now, at this moment, I'm stoked. We're down 16 or 17 points. We're 1-3 in Big East play. The entire team is playing like a steaming pile of Jack's finest. And there's our Coach, finally looking like he has some life in him. I'm screaming for JT3 to get a technical, wanting it so badly not just for him, but for the team and the arena and everyone associated with this program. Just show some emotion for once, get a well-deserved technical. You're getting killed, your team is in a slump of historic proportions (1-4 to start the BE....), just do it. Pull the trigger and see what happens. See if the team finally responds to something.
And then he turned and walked back to the bench as he always does. And we went on lose by 15.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 13, 2011 9:46:11 GMT -5
I disagree HoyaNCCT, at least in part. We made a clear effort to get to the rim throughout the game. In fact, it was our primary offense in the second half (so much so, that it obviously was what the staff talked to the team about at half-time). We were somewhat successful with it, but the Pitt defense sagged a fair amount and it's difficult to get to the rim when the defense is doing that.
Having an open three doesn't "usually" mean you have an open lane to the basket. There may well be (and I would suggest usually is) a player or two between you and the hoop -- just not close enough to do much about the three.
I agree that we seem to have lost the intermediate jump shot. That had been one of Austin's strengths this season, and I agree that we would do well to attempt to recapture it. Of course, the eighteen footer is statistically the worst shot to shoot in college basketball, but if the twenty footers aren't going in, you have to find something else.
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