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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 18, 2011 21:57:07 GMT -5
Good move unlocking this thread. It's pretty damn hypocritical to say "The players should be free to post whatever they want on public social networking sites" and at the same time, tell us that we can't discuss what they post for public consumption.
It's not "speculative" if the player posts it.
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Post by Buckets on Jan 18, 2011 21:57:52 GMT -5
Speculation more than welcome in my PM inbox.
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 18, 2011 21:58:43 GMT -5
That was from last spring. there is nothing to speculate about & no need to post it.
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Post by chep3 on Jan 18, 2011 22:01:27 GMT -5
Yeah it'd be one thing if he posted this yesterday. That's kind of a deleted move by organic arts. I reaaaaaaaally don't see the need in bringing this back up. No one on this board wants to consider that happening. Let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by guru on Jan 18, 2011 22:04:29 GMT -5
Man I must have totally missed that little hubbub if indeed that happened last Spring. Glad I did.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 18, 2011 22:14:10 GMT -5
People: this has all been hashed through before. The player himself later posted that people way overinterpreted the facebook post revived above.
Strummer: if you need to re-read the board rules, please do so. Feel free to speculate all you want about player status on your own facebook page.
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Post by wahoohoya on Jan 18, 2011 22:14:11 GMT -5
Really curious what is going on with Vee. I wasn't really bothered about the Rutgers game, but tonight it seemed forced to give Jason so many minutes. I know he had a bad game against Pitt, but JTIII has proven he doesn't bench guys for bad games. And if the answer is that JTIII is trying to let Jason play out of his funk, that's laughable.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 18, 2011 22:48:21 GMT -5
Somebody needs to clue JTIII into the fact that we NEED Sanford next year, in a substantial role. He is one of very few guys on next year's roster that can handle the ball at all, and we have no recruits with ballhandling skills at the moment.
A lot of people seem to think that being "in line" for minutes next year is going to keep Vee around. Under JTIII, the majority of scholarship players who were not in the rotation by the end of their sophomore year have not stuck around (I believe Crawford and Sims were the only exceptions). It's easy for us as message board fans to expect that he should stick around because he's penciled in for minutes next year, but when it's your life and you're giving your all every day and not getting even a second of PT, I can imagine feeling pretty different. Being "in line" for more PT didn't stop a guy like Macklin from transferring when Roy and Pat graduated.
As I said on HR the other day, I think III is really playing with fire on this one. He doesn't have to play him 15 mpg, but get him in there for 5 minutes each game, keep him involved. At that point, I think the promise of increased minutes next year means something. If he's a DNP every game, I don't think the promise of more minutes next year counts for much. And if these DNP's keep up, we're gonna be looking at some underrecruited spring signee--basically a point guard version of Benimon-- playing 15 minutes a game for us next year as our backup point. I really don't want to see it happen.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 18, 2011 22:58:55 GMT -5
I wonder why Vee didn't see minutes as well but when you're having trouble handling a middling team (at best) on the road, the easiest path is going with veterans. I don't necessarily agree with that but I can see the logic. I would love for us to put away an opponent early and get some more of our bench more burn. Sadly, I don't see that as a realistic expectation at this point.
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Post by chep3 on Jan 18, 2011 23:05:56 GMT -5
Tas, I don't think people want to play Vee to get him more burn. People want to play Vee because they think he can help us win games right now.
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Post by damnhoya on Jan 18, 2011 23:06:21 GMT -5
It seems to me one of III's answers to our Big East losing streak was to shore up the bench and go back to a smaller rotation. This is what he has done since he got to the hilltop and he doesn't appear to be changing his ways. Against Rutgers and Seton Hall, Vee was a DNP and Henry's minutes have gone down (at least it appears that way). Jerrelle's minutes are also almost non-existent (he was not good again tonight and I don't want to sit here and disparage the kid). So we have 6 guys playing heavier minutes (Chris, Austin, Jason, Hollis, Julian and Nate), and then Markel and Henry playing a bit.
I was at the game tonight and was watching the bench. Vee was sitting with Moses, Caprio and Dougherty at the end of the bench. I remember at one point in the first half, III went over to Vee and told him something (which I didn't see him do with anybody else on the bench). I don't know what III's thinking is because I agree with everyone, he should be getting minutes (and I said in a couple of posts that I think Vee is the difference in the Hoyas getting a couple extra Big East wins this year). However, whatever III's reasoning, Vee seems like the consummate teammate to me and will be a great teammate whether he is playing or not (I would compare him to Markel in that regard).
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Post by gujake on Jan 18, 2011 23:08:46 GMT -5
Completely, 100% agree RB.
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Post by wahoohoya on Jan 18, 2011 23:11:34 GMT -5
Part of the reason you're having trouble taking care of a middling team on the road is because one of your veterans, Clark, is playing terrible. What message does it send to Vee that you don't look to him to provide the spark that he has proven he can provide?
Couldn't agree more with RBHoya. JTIII is playing with fire here. If he's trying to send Vee a message, fine, but at some point JTIII needs to make sure his kids are happy and feel wanted.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 18, 2011 23:15:30 GMT -5
It seems to me one of III's answers to our Big East losing streak was to shore up the bench and go back to a smaller rotation. This is what he has done since he got to the hilltop and he doesn't appear to be changing his ways. Against Rutgers and Seton Hall, Vee was a DNP and Henry's minutes have gone down (at least it appears that way). Jerrelle's minutes are also almost non-existent (he was not good again tonight and I don't want to sit here and disparage the kid). So we have 6 guys playing heavier minutes (Chris, Austin, Jason, Hollis, Julian and Nate), and then Markel and Henry playing a bit. I was at the game tonight and was watching the bench. Vee was sitting with Moses, Caprio and Dougherty at the end of the bench. I remember at one point in the first half, III went over to Vee and told him something (which I didn't see him do with anybody else on the bench). I don't know what III's thinking is because I agree with everyone, he should be getting minutes (and I said in a couple of posts that I think Vee is the difference in the Hoyas getting a couple extra Big East wins this year). However, whatever III's reasoning, Vee seems like the consummate teammate to me and will be a great teammate whether he is playing or not (I would compare him to Markel in that regard). On MASN, they had a shot of Vee on the bench late in the game pumping his fists and clearly excited about the comeback. Was very happy to see that - he appears to continue to have a good attitude (and be a great teammate) notwithstanding the lack of PT.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 18, 2011 23:16:08 GMT -5
I wonder why Vee didn't see minutes as well but when you're having trouble handling a middling team (at best) on the road, the easiest path is going with veterans. I don't necessarily agree with that but I can see the logic. I would love for us to put away an opponent early and get some more of our bench more burn. Sadly, I don't see that as a realistic expectation at this point. At crunch time I agree, you want your seasoned veterans in there. But there's no reason you can't get a guy like Sanford in there some time in the first half when we're up by a few buckets. I think the "you can't take a chance with somebody unproven in a tight game" thing is played out. Most Big East games are tight, and when you schedule tough teams out of conference like III does, a lot of those games are gonna be tight too. You can't expect that the only time to break in new talent are those handful of games against Ap State and the like. There just aren't enough times against Big East teams where you get a comfortable enough lead that the game isn't in question (see our games vs. Depaul, Rutgers etc). I do think that's the reason III doesn't usually play unproven young guys unless he has to--he just doesn't trust them and only wants his trusted hands in the game. I get that, but it's pretty rare that we blow out another Big East team. You can get away with giving a guy like Vee a few minutes of run in the first half of a game without it hurting your chances.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 18, 2011 23:21:00 GMT -5
Somebody needs to clue JTIII into the fact that we NEED Sanford next year, in a substantial role. He is one of very few guys on next year's roster that can handle the ball at all, and we have no recruits with ballhandling skills at the moment. A lot of people seem to think that being "in line" for minutes next year is going to keep Vee around. Under JTIII, the majority of scholarship players who were not in the rotation by the end of their sophomore year have not stuck around (I believe Crawford and Sims were the only exceptions). It's easy for us as message board fans to expect that he should stick around because he's penciled in for minutes next year, but when it's your life and you're giving your all every day and not getting even a second of PT, I can imagine feeling pretty different. Being "in line" for more PT didn't stop a guy like Macklin from transferring when Roy and Pat graduated. As I said on HR the other day, I think III is really playing with fire on this one. He doesn't have to play him 15 mpg, but get him in there for 5 minutes each game, keep him involved. At that point, I think the promise of increased minutes next year means something. If he's a DNP every game, I don't think the promise of more minutes next year counts for much. And if these DNP's keep up, we're gonna be looking at some underrecruited spring signee--basically a point guard version of Benimon-- playing 15 minutes a game for us next year as our backup point. I really don't want to see it happen. We need Vee THIS year. Our guards have huge problems with quick penetrators, and Vee plays better D than I have seen from the others.
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Post by russodj on Jan 18, 2011 23:29:08 GMT -5
Has anyone emailed or tweeted Tarik asking if he has insight or would ask Thompson?
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Post by Dhall on Jan 18, 2011 23:30:10 GMT -5
When JT Jr coached and a kid wasn't playing for no apparent reason it was usually his grades. If that's not the case here, or injury, then the situation tonight was hard to comprehend. Starks was horrible and he was used at the same time as Wright, so the "Starks is Wright's backup" argument falls flat. At least throw Vee in the game to see if he can defend.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 18, 2011 23:31:49 GMT -5
I wasn't as clear as I meant to be. I didn't intend to include Vee with the rest of our bench per se. I think he should be getting more minutes too. I see the logic in sticking with the vets in a tight game that, honestly, we had to have. And to say Clark has been terrible is just not true. He's not been very good. But he's been better than Austin and Chris except for the past 2 games. He's been the most consistent of the 3. As far as I can see, he's been working his butt off on defense as well. Not that the defense has been great from him. But he's definitely committed himself more on that end of the floor.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 18, 2011 23:33:13 GMT -5
Somebody needs to clue JTIII into the fact that we NEED Sanford next year, in a substantial role. He is one of very few guys on next year's roster that can handle the ball at all, and we have no recruits with ballhandling skills at the moment. A lot of people seem to think that being "in line" for minutes next year is going to keep Vee around. Under JTIII, the majority of scholarship players who were not in the rotation by the end of their sophomore year have not stuck around (I believe Crawford and Sims were the only exceptions). It's easy for us as message board fans to expect that he should stick around because he's penciled in for minutes next year, but when it's your life and you're giving your all every day and not getting even a second of PT, I can imagine feeling pretty different. Being "in line" for more PT didn't stop a guy like Macklin from transferring when Roy and Pat graduated. As I said on HR the other day, I think III is really playing with fire on this one. He doesn't have to play him 15 mpg, but get him in there for 5 minutes each game, keep him involved. At that point, I think the promise of increased minutes next year means something. If he's a DNP every game, I don't think the promise of more minutes next year counts for much. And if these DNP's keep up, we're gonna be looking at some underrecruited spring signee--basically a point guard version of Benimon-- playing 15 minutes a game for us next year as our backup point. I really don't want to see it happen. We need Vee THIS year. Our guards have huge problems with quick penetrators, and Vee plays better D than I have seen from the others. I agree with Frazier on this too. I also think Markel will be a really solid defender when he puts some meat on his bones such that he can fight through some more screens. Vee seems to slip a lot of them.
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