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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 25, 2010 21:10:51 GMT -5
Markel, JC and Hollis are the perimeter next year, imo. Agree. But Vee could see about 20 minutes per off the bench. He's earned it, no question.
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Post by Locker on Dec 25, 2010 22:16:39 GMT -5
I'll start wearing a hat and eat it if Vee only sees 20 minutes a game next year.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 25, 2010 22:46:01 GMT -5
I'll start wearing a hat and eat it if Vee only sees 20 minutes a game next year. Yep. I see Vee with 30 mpg next year. Starter minutes if not technically a starter.
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Post by hoyas2006 on Dec 26, 2010 8:30:06 GMT -5
agree. next year, you are going to see this kid blossum. he is full of confidence. it definitely shows
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 26, 2010 9:11:50 GMT -5
I tend to agree. With extended minutes, though, Vee will need to adjust his game pretty dramatically. May be some growing pains being thrust into a more prominent role. In the small sample size, though, I'm not sure what else he could be doing to excite us about his future with the team.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 26, 2010 10:46:24 GMT -5
I expect next season's backcourt starters to be Jason and Markel with Hollis at the three. I expect Aaron to make the jump and take some time at the two and three position. And I expect Jabril to see time on the wing as well. Because of that I just don't see 30 minutes per for Vee. But 20 or more minutes would still be pretty impressive and more than enough time ror Vee to have an impact.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 26, 2010 13:03:48 GMT -5
I tend to agree. With extended minutes, though, Vee will need to adjust his game pretty dramatically. May be some growing pains being thrust into a more prominent role. In the small sample size, though, I'm not sure what else he could be doing to excite us about his future with the team. Why do you think "dramatically" Ranch?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 26, 2010 13:09:11 GMT -5
It's not based on college, but in pro basketball (and some other sports), additional playing time doesn't seem to significantly affect rate averages.
Vee's numbers are absurd right now, so he's not going to shoot 75% from three, and there's a small sample size warning, but there's not a huge amount of evidence for the idea that bench players will perform worse (or better) per possession with significantly more time.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 26, 2010 13:31:56 GMT -5
Vee misses so few shots that is easy to analyze them when he does. His only miss against Memphis came when he penetrated from the side, got a little past the basket, turned to adjust and shot. He barely missed. On his previous miss, he shot a mid-range jumper and opened his legs a little wide. Also, he might be the team's best defender. In other words, Vee has a little Jordan in him...
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 26, 2010 15:00:50 GMT -5
I expect next season's backcourt starters to be Jason and Markel with Hollis at the three. I expect Aaron to make the jump and take some time at the two and three position. And I expect Jabril to see time on the wing as well. Because of that I just don't see 30 minutes per for Vee. But 20 or more minutes would still be pretty impressive and more than enough time ror Vee to have an impact. Based on the early returns, I don't see how Markel gets the start over Vee next season. Markel has displayed his quickness but really hasn't been affective to this point whereas Vee has been excellent when given an opportunity. Vee also has a distinct advantage over Markel defensively, he's bigger and more athletic IMO. JTIII has shown a deference to upperclassmen and I believe that will continue next season with Vee as the starter over Markel. ....Or a 3 guard line-up with Clark, Vee and Starks with Hollis at the 4 and Sims at the 5? It's a long season yet still so players like Starks (hopefully) will have an opportunity to impress and solidify their future roles, it's all very exciting!
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 26, 2010 16:44:12 GMT -5
This is not meant to be a knock on Starks, but I've seen nothing from him that suggests he should be ahead of Sanford in the pecking order. I know Starks is advertised as more of a pure point guard, but in JT III's system, it appears a pure PG is not necessary. For example, I don't consider Chris Wright a pure PG nor did I consider Wallace to be one.
If the coaching staff's philosophy is to have the best players start games, I have a difficult time believing Vee won't be a starter next season. My projected lineup:
G: Clark G: Sanford F: Thompson F: Lubick C: Sims
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 26, 2010 16:59:42 GMT -5
vee coaches son nate coaches son they are sound adn will play ALOT next year AND maybe alot this year go hoyas go veeeeeeeeeee ;D
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 26, 2010 17:23:13 GMT -5
I expect next season's backcourt starters to be Jason and Markel with Hollis at the three. I expect Aaron to make the jump and take some time at the two and three position. And I expect Jabril to see time on the wing as well. Because of that I just don't see 30 minutes per for Vee. But 20 or more minutes would still be pretty impressive and more than enough time ror Vee to have an impact. Based on the early returns, I don't see how Markel gets the start over Vee next season. Markel has displayed his quickness but really hasn't been affective to this point whereas Vee has been excellent when given an opportunity. Vee also has a distinct advantage over Markel defensively, he's bigger and more athletic IMO. JTIII has shown a deference to upperclassmen and I believe that will continue next season with Vee as the starter over Markel. ....Or a 3 guard line-up with Clark, Vee and Starks with Hollis at the 4 and Sims at the 5? It's a long season yet still so players like Starks (hopefully) will have an opportunity to impress and solidify their future roles, it's all very exciting! Every season people doubt another player's abilities based on "what they have observed" and then determine who deserves minutes and who should start. I'm not trying to take anything away from Vee, but Markel has the best point guard capabilities of the returning guys next season IMO. Because of that I think he will start. And many of us feel he is going to be special. I could be wrong of course, but I don't think I will be.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 26, 2010 17:27:25 GMT -5
This is not meant to be a knock on Starks, but I've seen nothing from him that suggests he should be ahead of Sanford in the pecking order. I know Starks is advertised as more of a pure point guard, but in JT III's system, it appears a pure PG is not necessary. For example, I don't consider Chris Wright a pure PG nor did I consider Wallace to be one. If the coaching staff's philosophy is to have the best players start games, I have a difficult time believing Vee won't be a starter next season. My projected lineup: G: Clark G: Sanford F: Thompson F: Lubick C: Sims Starks will be the best returning ballhandler, the quickest of the returning guards, the one who is best able to penetrate and dish, and the one probably most comfortable at running a team. His shot isn't falling as much early but that's okay, it will. Last season Vee's outside shot wasn't all that accurate either but as with Markel's you could see the potential in its form.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 26, 2010 17:42:23 GMT -5
I like both Vee and Markel a lot. Markel's got a nice handle, good quickness, good decision-making skills and his shot will fall. I've seen a lot of vocal leadership out of him as well.
That said, Vee is incredibly impressive. I think he's much more in the Ashanti Cook / Jessie Sapp / Jason Clark mode than a point -- and that may dictate when he plays, but I can't believe you brought in Aaron Bowen and Jabril Trawick as guys who should be taking Vee's minutes.
Here's the thing about next year's team: we lose the two guys we give the ball to when we need some creation. Hollis and Clark can do it at times, but right now they are best as shooters and complementary players. Now, I expect they will be able to step up ... but Vee is the other guy I can see stepping up as an offensive creator. He's shown the ability to beat guys off the dribble and finish in traffic. It's a skill we need playing -- and since he's a good shooter and quality defender, I don't see the downside.
I expect Vee to play starter minutes.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 26, 2010 17:53:02 GMT -5
I think we will see Markel develop that ability to create by next season. He will start, because we need someone with the skill set to run the team. Vee will get 25 minutes, subbing in for both Markel and Jason. And Vee will start as a senior and be a force in the Big East.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 26, 2010 18:30:27 GMT -5
Those who think Vee is a point guard are dead wrong. Those who don't think Chris is a pure point guard are even more wrong, to the point of laughter.
Markel will start because he's the guy who will give us the best chance at winning, period. No disrespect to Vee, but he's a combo guard, capable of playing both positions. He'll see 20 minutes a game, but he won't start over Markel, nor should he. Vee and Markel wouldn't co-exist because neither are great ballhandlers, teams would pressure us all the time. For as great as Jason is, he's shaky at best handling the ball against pressure. How many of you saw what happened when he tried to initiate the offense against Missouri? It was a disaster.
Vee is a very good player, a valuable one. But to say he should start over Markel next season is just simply wrong.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 26, 2010 18:32:22 GMT -5
P.S.
I meant Vee and Jason in the same backcourt, not Vee and Markel
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Dec 26, 2010 18:45:20 GMT -5
Those who think Vee is a point guard are dead wrong. Those who don't think Chris is a pure point guard are even more wrong, to the point of laughter. Markel will start because he's the guy who will give us the best chance at winning, period. No disrespect to Vee, but he's a combo guard, capable of playing both positions. He'll see 20 minutes a game, but he won't start over Markel, nor should he. Vee and Markel wouldn't co-exist because neither are great ballhandlers, teams would pressure us all the time. For as great as Jason is, he's shaky at best handling the ball against pressure. How many of you saw what happened when he tried to initiate the offense against Missouri? It was a disaster. Vee is a very good player, a valuable one. But to say he should start over Markel next season is just simply wrong. shaky at best? wher edo you people get these things???!?!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 26, 2010 18:46:31 GMT -5
But to say he should start over Markel next season is just simply wrong. Well, isn't that a little definitive at this point in time? They both have a lot of time to develop and improve.
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