Just in case you were wondering......

[Boz]

....it is not -- repeat NOT -- in any way acceptable, sanctioned, allowed, permissible, "kind of okay", justifiable, forgivable, defensible, reasonable, or within your rights to root for Syracuse tonight.

Just thought everyone would like to know.

[GUHoya07]

Of course it's not acceptable. I hope Michigan State wins by 80. However, if evil does triumph tonight at least the Spartans will have 3 losses, which would hopefully put us in position to pass them in the rankings.

Ideally though, cuse is thoroughly embarrassed and never sees the top 10 again.

[strummer8526]

I must say—and I only do so from the safety and security of my own office, where no projectiles from any of you can reach me in any form other than verbal—that I root for any BE team over any non-BE team. And I do so for three reasons: (1) It increses the stature of the BE. (2) It makes our numbers better when we beat them. And (3) It makes it more soul-crushing for them when we beat them.

Think about it. If Syracuse were a middling team ranked 24th last year when we mercilessly beat them, would it have stung so bad? I don't think so. I think it hurts them the most when their expectations are the highest. So let them win and win and win. And then let us destroy them, leaving nothing but fiery wreckage in our wake.

[GUHoya07]

I want them to lose every game they play. How's that for soul-crushing?

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[Hoyaholic]

Syracuse will lose plenty of games this year. We benefit more by having them beat MSU tonight.

[Boz]

Dec 7, 2010 13:52:13 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

I must say—and I only do so from the safety and security of my own office, where no projectiles from any of you can reach me in any form other than verbal—that I root for any BE team over any non-BE team. And I do so for three reasons: (1) It increses the stature of the BE. (2) It makes our numbers better when we beat them. And (3) It makes it more soul-crushing for them when we beat them.

Think about it. If Syracuse were a middling team ranked 24th last year when we mercilessly beat them, would it have stung so bad? I don't think so. I think it hurts them the most when their expectations are the highest. So let them win and win and win. And then let us destroy them, leaving nothing but fiery wreckage in our wake.

So when Scoop Jardine hoists up a three, you actually say to yourself, "I hope that goes in"?

Or when Magoo calls timeout and Syracuse runs a successful alley-oop afterwards, you actually say, "That was a good move by the coach"?

If so, do you keep an ample supply of delousing agent near your shower?

Reluctantly accepting the tangential positives of a Syracuse win (for the conference, RPI, blah, blah) -- AFTER THE FACT -- is unfortunate, but sometimes necessitated by reality.

But rooting[/i] for them? During[/i] the game??


No. Nay. Never. Period.

[theexorcist]

I benefit more by seeing its fanbase, and I use fan in the most grudging sense of the word, crying themselves into an alcoholic stupor after a soul-crushing loss. I benefit more by seeing Jim Boeheim, who, when cut, bleeds a vile ichor rather than human blood, complain about the officiating after his team loses soundly. I benefit more when Syracuse's players, seeking to follow in the tradition of one of the NBA's greatest head cases and someone who never learned in high school or college that it's not OK to hit women, fail utterly. I benefit when every single alum of AER, seeking to justify the excellence of that noxious color, is struck dumb by the specter of another loss.

Syracuse is evil. Give them no quarter.

[royski]

I hope that Syracuse gets shut out in every game they ever play. I'm sorry, but if it takes Syracuse being good for us to make the NCAA tournament, I sincerely don't want to make that sacrifice. We should be good enough to not rely on evil for our own personal gain.

[Coast2CoastHoya]

It would be rational and in our self-interest to root for 'Cuse in the OOC or post-season, for the reasons stated above.

One thing I love about college basketball is that it lets us think and act irrationally and even against our self-interest under the principle of zealous fanship.

I make full use of that principle when it comes to the 'Cuse. I will never root for them during a game (but reserve the right to make use of post-hoc rationalizations why it was ok that they won afterward).

[TBird41]

Dec 7, 2010 13:52:13 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

I must say—and I only do so from the safety and security of my own office, where no projectiles from any of you can reach me in any form other than verbal—that I root for any BE team over any non-BE team. And I do so for three reasons: (1) It increses the stature of the BE. (2) It makes our numbers better when we beat them. And (3) It makes it more soul-crushing for them when we beat them.

Think about it. If Syracuse were a middling team ranked 24th last year when we mercilessly beat them, would it have stung so bad? I don't think so. I think it hurts them the most when their expectations are the highest. So let them win and win and win. And then let us destroy them, leaving nothing but fiery wreckage in our wake.

You disgust me. Rooting for SUcks? Never acceptable.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Boz is 100% right. Never root for cuse.


only possibly allowable reason to root for cuse would be if on the last day of the season a win by cuse is 100% necessary for us to win the regular season title. But even then it's pretty hard to actually root for them. Not entirely sure what I'd do in that situation.

[CTHoya08]

You would do as Boz said--root against them, but if they end up winning, be happy that we won the title. After all, if we're in a position where we need them to win to wrap up a regular season title, it means the rest of the season played out to make that possible. That game alone did not make us champions. But you sure as hell don't root for them during the game.

[joey0403p]

I sit next to a MSU grad at work - all we've been talking about is how badly MSU will win tonight.

I can't root for Cuse - i just can't. Then again, I can't root for UCONN, or WVa either. I wholeheartedly root for nova, st johns, ND, quette etc OOC though. Those schools i just hate though. Their fans are *sses.

[jerseyhoya34]

Nova? You lost me there. Wholeheartedly? Need a barf bucket.

[Dhall]

So Rakeem Christmas would have chosen Syracuse if they were 3-25 the past five years, Boeheim was on his way out, etc. or would he have chosen the Hoyas? We don't want our "rivals" to be good. We want to crush them in every way and have them be beaten down in every other way. Then we go out and win games against Mizzou, ODU, Utah State, Temple, Memphis and whoever else we play in the NCAAs to be sure that nobody doubts how good we are even if Syracuse, UCONN and Nova all stink. It's pretty simple. In the end, we are measured on victories, not RPI ratings and coaches polls.

[strummer8526]

OK, I see everyone's point. But what about this. What if you have two options:

1. Syracuse loses every game of the season, but they get so used to being losers that they soldier on into next year, and the universe proceeds as it has since time immemorial (and by that, I mean 1979).

OR

2. Syracuse wins every game of the season until they play us. Then, we beat them, and it sends them into such a tailspin that the team and their fans all decide to uncerimoniously stop existing. (Not that they kill themselves. They all just move to Guam, so for all intents and purposes, they no longer "exist" as Syracuse basketball players and fans.)

What do you do, what DO you do?!

[theexorcist]

Dec 7, 2010 15:17:33 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

OK, I see everyone's point. But what about this. What if you have two options:

1. Syracuse loses every game of the season, but they get so used to being losers that they soldier on into next year, and the universe proceeds as it has since time immemorial (and by that, I mean 1979).

OR

2. Syracuse wins every game of the season until they play us. Then, we beat them, and it sends them into such a tailspin that the team and their fans all decide to uncerimoniously stop existing. (Not that they kill themselves. They all just move to Guam, so for all intents and purposes, they no longer "exist" as Syracuse basketball players and fans.)

What do you do, what DO you do?!

#1.

Eventually, the losing permeates the University, so much so that it goes broke. A Hoya then buys it, razes the buildings, and salts the earth so that nothing grows there.

Ever.

[RockawayHoya]

Dec 7, 2010 15:17:33 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

OK, I see everyone's point. But what about this. What if you have two options:

1. Syracuse loses every game of the season, but they get so used to being losers that they soldier on into next year, and the universe proceeds as it has since time immemorial (and by that, I mean 1979).

OR

2. Syracuse wins every game of the season until they play us. Then, we beat them, and it sends them into such a tailspin that the team and their fans all decide to uncerimoniously stop existing. (Not that they kill themselves. They all just move to Guam, so for all intents and purposes, they no longer "exist" as Syracuse basketball players and fans.)

What do you do, what DO you do?!

1.

Because they have lost every game of the season. And they should also already be used to being losers.

[hoyabinx]

Dec 7, 2010 15:20:39 GMT -5 theexorcist said:

Dec 7, 2010 15:17:33 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

OK, I see everyone's point. But what about this. What if you have two options:

1. Syracuse loses every game of the season, but they get so used to being losers that they soldier on into next year, and the universe proceeds as it has since time immemorial (and by that, I mean 1979).

OR

2. Syracuse wins every game of the season until they play us. Then, we beat them, and it sends them into such a tailspin that the team and their fans all decide to uncerimoniously stop existing. (Not that they kill themselves. They all just move to Guam, so for all intents and purposes, they no longer "exist" as Syracuse basketball players and fans.)

What do you do, what DO you do?!

#1.

Eventually, the losing permeates the University, so much so that it goes broke. A Hoya then buys it, razes the buildings, and salts the earth so that nothing grows there.

Ever.

This.

Think about Devendorf jumping up on the scorer's table at the BE Tourney and tell me you can root for those pieces of trash.