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Post by The Stig on Sept 9, 2010 17:46:07 GMT -5
"It is very hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct should be permitted."I will echo exorcist's "Really? REALLY?" here. It is hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct not just should be but needs to be permitted only if you are a blithering idiot. Hasn't Larry Flynt covered this already? Let's face it, in most of the countries where people will be violently angry about the Koran burning, somebody who burned the Koran would be arrested by the government and probably executed. People in those sorts of countries have a difficult time understanding that the US government (which they see as the very definition of power) can't do the same to its own people. To them it seems absolutely absurd that a government as ultra-powerful as the American government doesn't have the power to arrest its own citizens whenever it wants. The entire concept of the rule of law and legal limits on government power is foreign to somebody who's lived under a dictatorship for their whole life. It was the same problem that led to the outcry over the Danish cartoons.
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Post by Boz on Sept 9, 2010 17:52:44 GMT -5
This nutcase from Florida may be a PR idiot savant.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Sept 9, 2010 17:55:27 GMT -5
This is sickening. I wish this creature would venture back down into his hole.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 9, 2010 18:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by The Stig on Sept 9, 2010 18:22:54 GMT -5
Might well be for his own safety. If I'd received over 100 death threats, I'd probably want the FBI to know.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 9, 2010 18:35:35 GMT -5
The FBI may want to be there for security if a meeting with the Imam takes place. I'd worry about the pastor launching a terrorist attack.
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Post by TC on Sept 9, 2010 21:06:31 GMT -5
Not to be outdone, the Westboro Baptist Church now says they'll burn Korans on 9/11.
And the American flag.
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Post by The Stig on Sept 9, 2010 21:44:29 GMT -5
Can we also burn Fred Phelps?
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Post by Filo on Sept 9, 2010 21:57:54 GMT -5
"It is very hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct should be permitted."I will echo exorcist's "Really? REALLY?" here. It is hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct not just should be but needs to be permitted only if you are a blithering idiot. Hasn't Larry Flynt covered this already? Let's face it, in most of the countries where people will be violently angry about the Koran burning, somebody who burned the Koran would be arrested by the government and probably executed. People in those sorts of countries have a difficult time understanding that the US government (which they see as the very definition of power) can't do the same to its own people. To them it seems absolutely absurd that a government as ultra-powerful as the American government doesn't have the power to arrest its own citizens whenever it wants. The entire concept of the rule of law and legal limits on government power is foreign to somebody who's lived under a dictatorship for their whole life. It was the same problem that led to the outcry over the Danish cartoons. I am glad you’ve taken the time to understand their intolerance. The explanation makes sense. My question, then, is…Going back to the main subject of this thread, can we seek to understand the reasons for the purported intolerance we see here. And I am not talking about Rev. Fruitcake. I am talking about the general outcry against the Islamic Center on or near ground zero by a large portion of the country. Why is that happening? I am sure there are many reasons and theories that we could come up with if we try to understand the anti-"ground zero mosque" sentiment. But, alas, I don’t really see anyone trying to understand; I’ve just seen labels like “racism” and statements like “it’s just people who are anti-Muslim.”
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Post by Boz on Sept 9, 2010 23:23:18 GMT -5
Everyone can calm down. Take a deep breath, exhale slowly and finally relax. The debate is over. Someone revered the world over has finally weighed in on this issue and we can at long last put it to bed. The Pope? The Dalai Lama? Oprah Winfrey? Pishers, one and all. No, I give you the one true authoritative voice on the Ground Zero mosque. We can all give a shout of appreciation that this voice is now being heard: www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-09-09/news/ground-zero-mosque-idea-stinks/Thank you, Doo Doo Brown. A thousand times thank you.
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Post by TC on Sept 10, 2010 0:18:51 GMT -5
Wow just when I thought FOX had set a new record for hypocrisy with the Kingdom Foundation thing, Luther Campbell leaps over it.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 10, 2010 7:33:24 GMT -5
I was struck by the comment that Orlando is going to send the church a bill for police support. While part of me is fine go ahead and screw the idiot schmuck - another part of me wants to see how consistent both they and other government entities are about sending bills for protecting them in constitutionally protected activities. If it is only this guy and not others I actually have a problem with it. Just seems like a big temptation to dictate/influence who gets to exercise their rights and who doesn't. Not sure if this will make any difference to you hoyawatcher, but the report I heard was the church would be charged for Traffic Control that results from their burning event, not for "police protection". If it is the same bill they would send to Louis Farakan (?sp) or David Duke -- or Al Gore or James Dobson - should they hold a controversial event then have at it and send it fastest available pony express. Consistency was my only issue not for what. The inference (and I fully admit it was an inference) from the quotes I read was that the city/county manager was eager to send this specific guy the bill for "tens of thousands of dollars" and it "seemed" different or at least specific to this event. I know police departments charge for working football games, etc. and if that is the model and done the same way so be it. Just don't want someone picking which schmucks they charge and which schmucks they don't. Unless I am the one that gets to define "schmuck"
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Post by nodak89 on Sept 10, 2010 9:19:28 GMT -5
Everyone can calm down. Take a deep breath, exhale slowly and finally relax. The debate is over. Someone revered the world over has finally weighed in on this issue and we can at long last put it to bed. The Pope? The Dalai Lama? Oprah Winfrey? Pishers, one and all. No, I give you the one true authoritative voice on the Ground Zero mosque. We can all give a shout of appreciation that this voice is now being heard: www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-09-09/news/ground-zero-mosque-idea-stinks/Thank you, Doo Doo Brown. A thousand times thank you. Al Qaeda:Islam::KKK:Christianity
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Post by TC on Sept 10, 2010 10:02:00 GMT -5
Ummmm, according to Campbell - Imam Faisal:Islam::KKK:Christianity (first paragraph, too).
And this Faisal guy is guilty of bedbugs and being close to people in New Jersey! Shocking allegations by Luke Skyywalker.
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Post by nodak89 on Sept 10, 2010 10:33:04 GMT -5
Ummmm, according to Campbell - Imam Faisal:Islam::KKK:Christianity (first paragraph, too). And this Faisal guy is guilty of bedbugs and being close to people in New Jersey! Shocking allegations by Luke Skyywalker. I agree. Evil is evil, even more so when hiding under the guise of Love.
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Post by Boz on Sept 10, 2010 11:27:44 GMT -5
While I agree that Luther Campbell is not the best spokesman for...well, for anything really, it does appear that Rauf is a substandard landlord, and that's being generous.
Landlords who own properties with repeated complaints of no garbage pickup, rat infestations, bedbug infestations, and no hot water, generally have people - particularly people on the left - calling for their heads.
Now, I'm not saying that these things should impact the Ground Zero mosque plans, they don't really seem germane to that issue. But let's not pretend the complaints against Rauf's other business practices are nothing.
And being connected in any way with Robert Menendez is not a good thing either and may require regular delousing. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by TC on Sept 10, 2010 11:40:31 GMT -5
I agree more with this guy's take on the first amendment : "The place where they brought down the wall" still makes me laugh.
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Post by Boz on Sept 10, 2010 11:50:04 GMT -5
I agree more with this guy's take on the first amendment : "The place where they brought down the wall" still makes me laugh. Aww, now you got me started, TC. Here is my favorite "This is America" moment ever:
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Post by The Stig on Sept 10, 2010 19:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 17, 2010 14:30:54 GMT -5
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