Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 8, 2010 15:07:24 GMT -5
Couple of points. 1. No one has mentioned the American Muslims in these comments about the FL Church that want to burn the Koran. Is there any group in America that is more acceptable to attack than American-Muslims? of whom there are MILLIONS? How can it be considered "acceptable" to denounce and demonize an entire religious group? Or an ethnic group? Surely board members know American History? Italians and Irish were, at one time, subject to severe discrimination ("Irish need not apply"). I'd be willing to be at least 50% of GU Students and Alumni are Irish and Italians. Other groups who have or are suffering from discrimination include Jews, Chinese, Japanese, African-Americans, Hispanics... you name it. So how can it be that so many have forgotten, or make excuses, or claim "this is different". Is it? Why? The millions of American Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11 and nothing to do with extremists around the world. 2. Intolerants. America's religious leaders don't seem to agree that it is OK to discriminate against Muslim Americans -- or any other Muslims -- and to be so totally INTOLERANT of other religions and points of view. Concern Is Voiced Over Religious IntoleranceEXCERPTS WASHINGTON — Prominent Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders held an extraordinary “emergency summit” meeting in the capital on Tuesday to denounce what they called “the derision, misinformation and outright bigotry” aimed at American Muslims during the controversy over the proposed Islamic community center near ground zero.
“This is not America,” said Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the emeritus Roman Catholic archbishop of Washington, flanked by three dozen clergy members and religious leaders at a packed news conference at the National Press Club. “America was not built on hate.”
They said they were alarmed that the “anti-Muslim frenzy” and attacks at several mosques had the potential not only to tear apart the country, but also to undermine the reputation of America as a model of religious freedom and diversity. But we can see right here on this board, comprised largely of Georgetown students and graduates, that for many the concepts of tolerance, equality, understanding and acceptance have given way to those of blame, attack, and outright discrimination. Burning the Koran is stupid, hateful and pointless. So too of course is burning the American Flag, or a cross or lionizing a piece of art called " Edited Christ". This "pastor" is a stupid little man with a stupid little idea, whose own sense of importance is growing exponentially as more and more people race to call him intolerant, hateful or anything else. When my five year old has a tantrum, I tend to ignore him. The length of the tantrum is usually proportionate to the amount of attention paid it.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 8, 2010 19:29:21 GMT -5
Intolerants. America's religious leaders don't seem to agree that it is OK to discriminate against Muslim Americans -- or any other Muslims -- and to be so totally INTOLERANT of other religions and points of view. You are now using the term I invented to describe you in another thread: "SirSaxa, you are an Intolerant. I just coined that term and appointed you the first member of that group, the Intolerants. This group will be composed of those people who find labels to put down those who disagree with them. They call those who disagree "Deniers" or "Birthers", or whatever, for the purpose of making fun of them and making them look like idiots."
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Post by The Stig on Sept 8, 2010 21:08:27 GMT -5
Burning the Koran is stupid, hateful and pointless. So too of course is burning the American Flag, or a cross or lionizing a piece of art called " Edited Christ". This "pastor" is a stupid little man with a stupid little idea, whose own sense of importance is growing exponentially as more and more people race to call him intolerant, hateful or anything else. When my five year old has a tantrum, I tend to ignore him. The length of the tantrum is usually proportionate to the amount of attention paid it. I can't really disagree with any of that. However, this idiot's going to get his attention regardless of what we do, and I think Petraeus is right to warn him of the consequences. Unfortunately this pastor is incapable of seeing beyond his own ego.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 9, 2010 8:08:56 GMT -5
This pastor has a constitutional right to burn the books if he chooses. However, it is a stupid thing to do and everyone should join those who have already condemned his planned actions.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 9, 2010 8:42:47 GMT -5
Intolerants. America's religious leaders don't seem to agree that it is OK to discriminate against Muslim Americans -- or any other Muslims -- and to be so totally INTOLERANT of other religions and points of view. You are now using the term I invented to describe you in another thread: "SirSaxa, you are an Intolerant. I just coined that term and appointed you the first member of that group, the Intolerants. This group will be composed of those people who find labels to put down those who disagree with them. They call those who disagree "Deniers" or "Birthers", or whatever, for the purpose of making fun of them and making them look like idiots." Hallelujah Ed! You recognized it! Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, you lack the self-awareness to realize the label and its definition fit you to a T.
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Post by Boz on Sept 9, 2010 9:01:20 GMT -5
I would just like to go on record as saying I am intolerant of everyone.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 9, 2010 9:19:20 GMT -5
I would just like to go on record as saying I am intolerant of everyone. Ba Humbug
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 9, 2010 9:43:56 GMT -5
You are now using the term I invented to describe you in another thread: "SirSaxa, you are an Intolerant. I just coined that term and appointed you the first member of that group, the Intolerants. This group will be composed of those people who find labels to put down those who disagree with them. They call those who disagree "Deniers" or "Birthers", or whatever, for the purpose of making fun of them and making them look like idiots." Hallelujah Ed! You recognized it! Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, you lack the self-awareness to realize the label and its definition fit you to a T. Nor you.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 9, 2010 11:31:40 GMT -5
From where I sit, the Koran-burning pastor doesn't have a clue to what kind of damage he is and can do. There is no nuanced understanding of the US here and stories like this get tremendous airplay.
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Post by TC on Sept 9, 2010 12:33:26 GMT -5
From where I sit, the Koran-burning pastor doesn't have a clue to what kind of damage he is and can do. There is no nuanced understanding of the US here and stories like this get tremendous airplay. I think he knows and does not care. Same "wash your hands of the rhetoric" applies here as people who think campaign metaphors to revolution and assassination or demonizing a religion are okay. If something happens to the troops, it'll just be a "crazy" doing it after all.
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 9, 2010 13:28:43 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Sept 9, 2010 13:49:07 GMT -5
"It is very hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct should be permitted."I will echo exorcist's "Really? REALLY?" here. It is hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct not just should be but needs to be permitted only if you are a blithering idiot. Hasn't Larry Flynt covered this already?
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 9, 2010 14:27:18 GMT -5
"It is very hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct should be permitted."I will echo exorcist's "Really? REALLY?" here. It is hard to explain to people why this sort of conduct not just should be but needs to be permitted only if you are a blithering idiot. Hasn't Larry Flynt covered this already? I was struck by the comment that Orlando is going to send the church a bill for police support. While part of me is fine go ahead and screw the idiot schmuck - another part of me wants to see how consistent both they and other government entities are about sending bills for protecting them in constitutionally protected activities. If it is only this guy and not others I actually have a problem with it. Just seems like a big temptation to dictate/influence who gets to exercise their rights and who doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 16:08:41 GMT -5
And...the "Breaking News" headline on CNN is currently saying that the Koran-burning will be canceled.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 9, 2010 16:12:06 GMT -5
I was struck by the comment that Orlando is going to send the church a bill for police support. While part of me is fine go ahead and screw the idiot schmuck - another part of me wants to see how consistent both they and other government entities are about sending bills for protecting them in constitutionally protected activities. If it is only this guy and not others I actually have a problem with it. Just seems like a big temptation to dictate/influence who gets to exercise their rights and who doesn't. Not sure if this will make any difference to you hoyawatcher, but the report I heard was the church would be charged for Traffic Control that results from their burning event, not for "police protection".
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Post by Boz on Sept 9, 2010 16:14:45 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 9, 2010 16:40:52 GMT -5
The story linked below is about a Muslim widow whose Muslim husband, a cook at the WTC, was killed on 9/11. Visiting Ground Zero, Asking Allah for ComfortExcerpts Nearly every Sept. 11 since Sept. 11, Hadidjatou Karamoko Traoré has made sure that her three children were dressed in their best clothes, and taken them from their tidy brick home in the Bronx to the pit where the World Trade Center stood, and where her husband, their father, worked and died.
“When I go there, I feel closer to him. And him to me. I pray for him, too.”
When she prays, she calls God Allah. Mrs. Traoré, 40, says praying in the pit feels entirely natural, even if some of those standing with her — widows and widowers, parents and children — blame her religion for the destruction of that day.
“That’s not fair,” she said. “It’s not because of Allah that these buildings fell.”
Mrs. Traoré is the widow of one of roughly 60 Muslims — cooks, businessmen, emergency responders and airline passengers — believed to have died on 9/11. It is a group that has been little examined, and no precisely reliable count of their ranks exists.
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Post by TC on Sept 9, 2010 16:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Sept 9, 2010 17:03:44 GMT -5
The story linked below is about a Muslim widow whose Muslim husband, a cook at the WTC, was killed on 9/11. Visiting Ground Zero, Asking Allah for ComfortExcerpts Nearly every Sept. 11 since Sept. 11, Hadidjatou Karamoko Traoré has made sure that her three children were dressed in their best clothes, and taken them from their tidy brick home in the Bronx to the pit where the World Trade Center stood, and where her husband, their father, worked and died.
“When I go there, I feel closer to him. And him to me. I pray for him, too.”
When she prays, she calls God Allah. Mrs. Traoré, 40, says praying in the pit feels entirely natural, even if some of those standing with her — widows and widowers, parents and children — blame her religion for the destruction of that day.
“That’s not fair,” she said. “It’s not because of Allah that these buildings fell.”
Mrs. Traoré is the widow of one of roughly 60 Muslims — cooks, businessmen, emergency responders and airline passengers — believed to have died on 9/11. It is a group that has been little examined, and no precisely reliable count of their ranks exists. What's your point?
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Post by nodak89 on Sept 9, 2010 17:31:16 GMT -5
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