hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 24, 2011 20:53:59 GMT -5
Interesting post, Ranch. This isn't really the thread for this discussion, but my view is that the team overachieved this year until Wright got hurt, and then the wheels came off. Let's face it, we had absolutely no inside game this year. Vaughn came up big for awhile, but he was basically it. I still have high hopes for Lubick, but he showed negligible offensive skills this year. Sims improved but is still an underachiever, and Benimon? Less said the better. Given that, the team's success this year prior to Wright's injury was pretty startling. I disagree. You don't mention the pre-season BE POY. No one could have foreseen Austin's subpar level of play over the last month of the season. Missed open 3s were more common than made 3s. JV's last month could have been his worst of the last two years. Henry's play decreased after he got the attention from the GUSA campaign. Now it's back to rebuilding his confidence for next year. Change of number? We underachieved because the staff and our players, including Austin, underperformed towards the end of the season. Yes, there is no question that there was gross underperformance down the stretch. For example, Austin-Wright-Clark can't possibly shoot a combined 0-16 on 3's in a game, can they? We definitely weren't as bad as we looked in the last few weeks. But I also don't think we were as good as we looked during the winning streak. Somewhere in between.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 25, 2011 11:44:34 GMT -5
Kind of like a 6 seed?
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 25, 2011 11:50:30 GMT -5
Yeah, probably so. Of course, during the last few weeks, we played more like a 60 seed.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 25, 2011 16:20:32 GMT -5
Either you have the results, or you don't. 1 NCAA win with the talent of Wright et Freeman is unacceptable, but it is the reality.
What are Hoya fans to trust in?
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Post by kghoya on Mar 25, 2011 19:32:27 GMT -5
Either you have the results, or you don't. 1 NCAA win with the talent of Wright et Freeman is unacceptable, but it is the reality. What are Hoya fans to trust in? I understand your point but how talented are they really? Two borderline 2nd round picks? Jessie Sapp and Jonathan Wallace hit bigger shots in their careers. Freeman was a great player but never seemed to produce in the clutch. Hell Sapp went 4 for 6 from 3 against Belmont as a Sophomore. Wright and Freeman went a combined 4 for 26 from 3 in their last two NCAA Tournament games against Ohio and VCU.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 26, 2011 14:18:24 GMT -5
Freeman was a great player but never seemed to produce in the clutch. You're joking, right?
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Post by kghoya on Mar 26, 2011 18:15:27 GMT -5
Freeman was a great player but never seemed to produce in the clutch. You're joking, right? NCAA Tournament is my definition of clutch in this case. Yes I was at a bunch of games where he was great. He made my trip to Louisville great last year. Same with Villanova this year. But like Julian Vaughn said in the locker room after the loss to VCU, (paraphrase) You play all year to put yourself in a position to win in March. We failed.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 28, 2011 11:37:36 GMT -5
Freeman was a great player but never seemed to produce in the clutch. You're joking, right? I second this. That narrow definition is absurd. Without Austin's heroics, particularly last year, we're not in a position to do anything in March except play in the NIT. Besides, did you really expect him to shoot well against VCU, given the way he lost his touch down the stretch this year? That would have been miraculous.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 28, 2011 13:18:35 GMT -5
Isn't that the definition of clutch?
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Post by chep3 on Mar 28, 2011 13:34:53 GMT -5
I think what kg means is that Austin didn't seem to produce in the two tourneys at the end of the season. Not that he didn't produce in crunch times in games during the season. And on that point, I have to agree with him. Whether it was because of conditioning or mindset, Austin didn't seem to play up to his median game. Don't get me wrong, he played fairly well in the BET last year. But he never seemed to go off in the BET and always seemed to play/shoot below his ability in the NCAAs. Contrast that with Chris, who seemed to have played above his median game in tournaments, especially last year where he carried us to the final and was one of two guys to show up against Ohio.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2011 13:40:54 GMT -5
No one has ever been able to prove in any sport "clutchness" as a repeatable skill, except one or two players over a career.
For example, Kobe Bryant's shooting percentage in close and late situations is 41%. Most "clutch" players are just really good or performing in really small sample sizes.
Austin had some bad games, but to ascribe it to being unable to perform on a big stage due to inherent character or talent reasons is unfounded.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2011 13:47:32 GMT -5
I am reporting you people to Thread Drifters Anonymous.
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Post by RDF on Mar 28, 2011 14:10:05 GMT -5
Freeman was clutch against UConn/Louisville last year--and had Diabetes and didn't even know it. Without his games against Seton Hall, Villanova, and Marquette this year--this team would've been a bubble team--if not NIT team. What Freeman wasn't--he can't help. He was a scorer and great shooter most of his career--just had slump at wrong time for him/team. He wasn't a great player and that's not his fault--he did what he could do offensively--and defensively he was subpar---but also allowed to be that way--which I don't blame him or any player--that is on staff.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 28, 2011 15:24:31 GMT -5
I am reporting you people to Thread Drifters Anonymous. Dan, I would suggest you send that report to the CDC; this has clearly become an epidemic that is destined only to get worse over the next 6 months.
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