hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Feb 4, 2010 15:41:13 GMT -5
Question: do you all still masturbate in tears like you did in college, or have we matured so we only do this self-righteous snob routine online now? Seriously, stop complaining about students. There's gonna be low turnout games like last night till the end of time. Stop pretending that this past weekend or even some of the medium/big BE games are indicative of the fanbase. It's NOT. You know why the 400s were full last weekend and will be, although probably not to the same degree this Saturday and the Thursday ‘cuse comes to town? *drum roll please* Because a lot of alums came into town and a lot more kids wanted to get inappropriately drunk with their friends. Duke’s a big name, that’s why they came. (Nova and Cuse are big too, but not as big, and while people know they’re rivals, maybe kinda sorta not everyone took a Hoyatalk administered fan test before the season and know those are the biggest games of the year??) Do you know why at least 40% of student season ticket holders spend 150 on tickets or whatever it is now before the season? I assure you it isn't because they are die-hards trying to get in the front row, it's because they want to have access to tickets for the big games when all their friends are pumped for some afternoon shenanigans and/or some sweet day drinking. THIS IS THE SAME AS AT EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE NATION. (maybe at WVU they have a little/lot less class about it) Difference at G’town: We just happen to have only 6000 kids instead of the 28000 at UMCP or whatever public institution you want to talk about, PLUS we have as many or MORE student seats that can be filled. Think about the ratios of spots and the demand. It’s really not all that shocking. It would have be a very, very pleasant surprise if we got close to filling both sections last night, never mind the overflow. I would love Austin Freeman to come on here and answer this question: Do Georgetown students OWE you to show up? Not does he appreciate it, not does the energy help him or the team, not anything else but does any student owe him to go to the game. I think we’d all agree that no student owes the school or the team to show up and that every cheer, every sign, every job well done is a very nice added bonus. Stop acting like the students let the team or you down. All your money you donate is to support the team, not to join it. Stop getting all offended and self-righteous. No offense to Austin, JT3 or anyone else, but if you go into the game counting on the students to be loud, you are one soft basketball player and never mind our lack of depth, THAT is officially the newest reason to be concerned about the team. Good grief. THANK GAWD THAT ISNT THE CASE. People cheer out of school pride, not because they’re obligated to for any reason. Period. (and a completely different debate) Furthermore, I’m not one to get all antsy about how tough school is to get into or how hard it is now or what advances we have because it’s all relative and that’s lame and it doesn’t matter. You do what you have to do. That’s how you learn responsibility. You make mistakes, you realize what your limits are, and you move on. However, please, please, PLEASE stop knocking people’s priorities because you’re so enlightened that you realized that studying for that one test or not didn’t matter. Would I miss the game? No, and I rarely did. Am I going to knock someone who stayed home because they felt more comfortable if they studied or prepared for that interview? Heck no. You all sound like freaking student section bullies, “YOU BETTER GO TO THE GAME…OR ELSE!” You gonna kill JT3’s puppy if I don’t? Get a grip. The best you can do is remind and ask people to come to the games with you and offer alternatives if they feel the need to study or whatever, but anything more is overbearing and unnecessary and out of line. It just is. No if’s, and’s or but’s about it. I agree: college kids don’t have much perspective and this and that. But with that said, what do you want them to do? Age 10 years and become boring like you so you can look back in hindsight and understand that if they went to the USF game…then what? Do you feel better that you went to the game and cheered while we lost versus if you watched it at home? I don’t understand where these attendance badges of honor come from. Most people I know go to the games because they like the atmosphere and watching the games up close and cheering, not because they feel obligated. I hope most of you don’t live in DC just because of the team! That’s no way to make decisions in life! Lastly, I challenge you, older alums. You’re all friendly people that like going to Nats games or Skins games or giving games up for charity auctions, etc. You trade tickets with your friends and they help you out. If you had to give a home game’s seats away, would you give nova? No. Cuse? No. UConn? No. Duke? Heck no. Would you have given Rutgers or USF? Yes, yes, yes, yes and more yes. If there was one game you would sacrifice to bring some friends or business associates or clients to, you’d pick this one because it doesn’t matter to you as much as the others. Nobody’s fooled by your big words that every game is a must win and must attend. You don’t think of it that way, and if you do, Lord help you. Find some freaking hobbies besides checking Hoyatalk, ESPN.com and counting down to the next game. Epilogue: And yknow what? Now as I post this I realize I’m the idiot in all this…I once again fell or Hoyatalk’s insanity. Well played, Hoyatalk, well played. Your typically inane and out of touch debates clouded my own judgment (if only I was sooo enlightened as the others!!) and wasted a solid 25 minutes of my life ranting about something no one on the other side will ever realize just…doesn’t…matter. I didn't read all of this (very long) but the part about students just wanting to get drunk is correct. As far is if the students "owe' it to Austin and the team to show up? The answer is no. But, the team certainly doesn't owe you anything either, so stop acting like it (those who do). I love hearing gtown fans complain about a loss they easily could have attended. "We suck, wtf?" "God, there goes the neighborhood!" (does anyone say that anymore?) My point is, quit being negative nancies if you arent even gonna go to the game. Because folks, gtown fans are negative nancies and it drives me nuts.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 4, 2010 15:47:17 GMT -5
Jimmy,
If you notice the last line from my letter to [Student], it said "I mean, if you don't want to, that's ok. But then please don't pretend that we're really friends." So no, you really don't have to come. I don't want to burden you. It's not like you owe it to me or anything. I understand completely if you think we need to see other people. I just thought we shared good times once...But maybe that's over.
Anyway, I'd just ask that if you not come, you please not pretend that you really do care about me. For instance, if we lose, I don't want to get your late night phone calls crying about how disappointed and alone you feel. And when we do win—and we will win—I don't think it's fair for you to act like we're back together again.
Basically, stop using me for your casual entertainment while at the same time acting like your a real fan. I'm not a piece of meat.
</3 Georgetown Basketball
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 4, 2010 15:56:40 GMT -5
Jimmy, If you notice the last line from my letter to [Student], it said "I mean, if you don't want to, that's ok. But then please don't pretend that we're really friends." So no, you really don't have to come. I don't want to burden you. It's not like you owe it to me or anything. I understand completely if you think we need to see other people. I just thought we shared good times once...But maybe that's over. Anyway, I'd just ask that if you not come, you please not pretend that you really do care about me. For instance, if we lose, I don't want to get your late night phone calls crying about how disappointed and alone you feel. And when we do win—and we will win—I don't think it's fair for you to act like we're back together again. Basically, stop using me for your casual entertainment while at the same time acting like your a real fan. I'm not a piece of meat. </3 Georgetown Basketball This thread has gotten a tad too creepy.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 4, 2010 16:53:34 GMT -5
But in many ways, not creepy enough.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 4, 2010 16:54:33 GMT -5
Wow. It's been a while since HiFi slipped into the background as the most annoying casual fan on this board, but JimmyHoya has just taken the baton...and begun running with it! What an incredible hoser. Also, buses are not the answer. Buses were discontinued because they sucked, plain and simple. They didn't boost attendance--they just made getting to a game a (more) miserable experience. Might I recommend the Circulator? What about a cab? Students still take cabs, right?
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 4, 2010 17:09:21 GMT -5
Jimmy, If you notice the last line from my letter to [Student], it said "I mean, if you don't want to, that's ok. But then please don't pretend that we're really friends." So no, you really don't have to come. I don't want to burden you. It's not like you owe it to me or anything. I understand completely if you think we need to see other people. I just thought we shared good times once...But maybe that's over. Anyway, I'd just ask that if you not come, you please not pretend that you really do care about me. For instance, if we lose, I don't want to get your late night phone calls crying about how disappointed and alone you feel. And when we do win—and we will win—I don't think it's fair for you to act like we're back together again. Basically, stop using me for your casual entertainment while at the same time acting like your a real fan. I'm not a piece of meat. </3 Georgetown Basketball I assume that in your next open letter from Georgetown Basketball, you're going to challenge all of the students that didn't show up to a fight?
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 4, 2010 17:09:53 GMT -5
The ones who want to be in front of the line take cabs.
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hoyajoker07
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Post by hoyajoker07 on Feb 4, 2010 18:08:48 GMT -5
Dear people who think buses are the answer: 2000 student season ticket holders / 50 students per bus = 40 buses. Yeah, they'll all fit in Healy Circle fine and will have no trouble getting out of Georgetown or finding parking next to the Verizon Center. Also, the D2, D6, and G2 buses all go to Dupont. I don't know why anyone relies on GUTS, especially now that Metro has NextBus going for it. For God's sake, the D6 goes TO THE VERIZON CENTER.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 4, 2010 18:32:12 GMT -5
Not going to add any opinion to this thread. Have a possible RECAP tomorrow and if I can think up anything profound on this subject, I'll include it...but that seems unlikely. Three tidbits that might answer some factual questions posed here: 1. The reason buses are no longer offered from campus to the Verizon Center is that the number of student season ticket holders eventually exceeded what any local bus company could accommodate. You'll recall we used school buses for the most part (Charles County in my day)...seems unlikely anybody could pull that off any more. 2. Student season ticket sales have fallen each of the past two seasons (no surprise there). They hit their high IIRC during the 2007-2008 season when the Athletic Department did that "pack the booth" promotion with the phone booth and the basketballs in Leo's (or wherever). They did break the record, which had been 2,459. 3. I've been told this multiple times by folks in McD: in a given season, the highest percentage of student season ticket holders that appear at a single game (usually a Pitt, Cuse type game) is in roughly the 75-80 percent range. It is lower for other games, although I don't recall specifics. And one sidebar: IMHO, my loooooooooong ago (2004) article about the different categories of student fans at Georgetown is still holding up pretty well. Can I get a re-post, DFW? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 4, 2010 18:57:21 GMT -5
Students, there is no excuse for missing ANY home games. And during your senior year you should try to go to as many away games as possible. This was the routine over 40 years ago, and it should be the routine today. GO HOYAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HoyaSC
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Post by HoyaSC on Feb 4, 2010 20:11:04 GMT -5
How much is the Metro these days? Somebody's post said that "not wanting to pay for the Metro" is an often used excuse.
All of these excuses sound pretty pitiful to the veterans of the Landover bus rides.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Feb 4, 2010 21:01:06 GMT -5
Jimmy, If you notice the last line from my letter to [Student], it said "I mean, if you don't want to, that's ok. But then please don't pretend that we're really friends." So no, you really don't have to come. I don't want to burden you. It's not like you owe it to me or anything. I understand completely if you think we need to see other people. I just thought we shared good times once...But maybe that's over. Anyway, I'd just ask that if you not come, you please not pretend that you really do care about me. For instance, if we lose, I don't want to get your late night phone calls crying about how disappointed and alone you feel. And when we do win—and we will win—I don't think it's fair for you to act like we're back together again. Basically, stop using me for your casual entertainment while at the same time acting like your a real fan. I'm not a piece of meat. </3 Georgetown Basketball This thread has gotten a tad too creepy. the online posting equivalent of a beergoggle.
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 4, 2010 21:08:12 GMT -5
How much is the Metro these days? Somebody's post said that "not wanting to pay for the Metro" is an often used excuse. All of these excuses sound pretty pitiful to the veterans of the Landover bus rides. $1.35 or around 2 bucks during rush hour.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Feb 4, 2010 21:22:20 GMT -5
Should we pass the hat around?
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 4, 2010 22:04:32 GMT -5
Jimmy, If you notice the last line from my letter to [Student], it said "I mean, if you don't want to, that's ok. But then please don't pretend that we're really friends." So no, you really don't have to come. I don't want to burden you. It's not like you owe it to me or anything. I understand completely if you think we need to see other people. I just thought we shared good times once...But maybe that's over. Anyway, I'd just ask that if you not come, you please not pretend that you really do care about me. For instance, if we lose, I don't want to get your late night phone calls crying about how disappointed and alone you feel. And when we do win—and we will win—I don't think it's fair for you to act like we're back together again. Basically, stop using me for your casual entertainment while at the same time acting like your a real fan. I'm not a piece of meat. </3 Georgetown Basketball I assume that in your next open letter from Georgetown Basketball, you're going to challenge all of the students that didn't show up to a fight? Georgetown Basketball is a lover, not a fighter. I, Strummer85, on the other hand, would happily resort to fisticuffs if it meant a better turnout than last night.
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hsaxa2010
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Post by hsaxa2010 on Feb 4, 2010 23:40:21 GMT -5
Anyone hear the "This is our house" chant near the end of the Duke game?
I myself don't let people into my house unless I'm home to protect it
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 5, 2010 5:45:19 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaterp25 on Feb 5, 2010 10:17:00 GMT -5
Everyone who waxes poetically about the busses never actually took them. My class (09) was the last year to have busses to games. When some of my friends occasionally reminisce about that, someone always recalls that they weren't quite as fantastic was we remember- we never really took them for big games anyway cause they only ran two hours before.
And then after the game it sucked because there weren't enough busses to get everyone out all at the same time. (And that was with only 1,500 season tickets i think) The busses would cycle back, but when people started realizing that they'd miss the busses if they didnt leave immediately, throughout the season people left earlier and earlier. I think it was the WV game which we did end up losing that people left almost 5 min before the end of game, just to make sure they got a bus. Then when the game did end it was just a mad dash toward the busses. There's just honestly no place to put enough busses to get everyone out at once, and I wouldn't want to repeat the madness at the end of games.
Though I'll give you- singing the fight song on the bus ride back after wins was always pretty epic
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 5, 2010 10:33:37 GMT -5
I posted a version of this in a comment on the Casual Hoya site:
The solution to student attendance for non-marquee matchups is really quite simple.
Designate three home games as “priority” games. This year it would be Duke (1/30), Villanova (2/6), and Syracuse (2/18).
There are two ways you can go about it, or you can combine my two ideas. But the key is having a points system, to give the kids incentive to show up to the "lesser" games, by tying in rewards to the big games.
Over the course of the season, give students points for showing up to all the other games – non-conference, the McDonough game, the less “sexy” Big East matchups. Maybe bonus points for games over break. The week before a "big" game, set certain thresholds of high, medium, and low point earners among certain season ticketholders.
Option 1: Hold tickets to the priority games back, so that students don’t immediately get them in their season ticket packages, as GU did for the Duke game this year. Make them earn it.
Then the week before the game, the high threshold of points earners get first dibs at picking tickets for the marquee game. After that, the middle group gets next dibs, until all the tickets are taken, including the overflow levels.
Option 2 (which I think could really excite the students): Treshold 1, the high point earners, are allowed into Verizon Center an hour before everybody else, so they get the best seats. Theshold 2, the middle point earners, are allowed into Verizon Center a half hour before everybody else, they get the next best seats. The rest have to fight it out with the rest of the crowd, and may have to go in the overflow 400 level.
Athletic Department, I’d actually volunteer my time and do this pro bono for you if anyone's listening.
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H2Oya 05
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Feb 5, 2010 10:35:30 GMT -5
UVA actually has a system like that. If you have more saber points you get in earlier. It encourages people to go to more games.
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