CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 4, 2010 0:17:20 GMT -5
I think the most frustrating part is that most people see great potential in the students. I mean, the atmosphere against Duke was just electric. Most of the time, they really deliver. But unfortunately, they're just not always consistent.
I was expecting the poor turnnout, because it was mid-week vs. South Florida, so I wasn't really shocked. I was expecting maybe a little over half full student sections, but at tip-off it was only about a quarter-full, only to get up to about half full over the course of the first half.
I was actually impressed with the overall turnout: about 12,200, some in the upper deck, pretty good for a mid-week game against a non-marquee opponent. I think most are just frustrated with the loss, because the atmosphere wasn't really that bad - everybody was standing and cheering for a good part of the second half. However, we definitely could have used about 800 more students tonight.
This is bound to happen with an arena this large for a school of our size. This is not the first time this has happened, it's only the first time that we lost when this happened. The only solution is to develop some sort of points system, where you have to go to the "lesser" games to be guaranteed admission to the big games (Duke, Syracuse, 'Nova). This is instituted at many other schools. Until we do it here at Georgetown, it will remain a problem.
I mean, say what you will about alumni not cheering enough - I've found that the non-students are more consistent with turnout. Students just seem to be more fickle.
Final theory is that maybe the recession is scaring these students into spending more time studying and doing internships so they can get a leg up on the competition for jobs once they graduate. But recession or not, life is for living. As a student, I never missed a game I was in town for, for whatever reason, sometimes showing up two hours before game time on a weekday. I graduated. I had a decent GPA. I have an all right job. Pursue whatever makes you happy, and you will be fine in the end.
All right, that's enough. Beat Villanova.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 4, 2010 0:21:43 GMT -5
Wait--are there any current students who were ever bussed to the games? I seem to remember that ending prior to the '06-'07 season, when the current seniors were freshmen. Nope. The athletic department also used to provide metro cards for students (06/07 and 07/08), but apparently no longer do so as well. So basically students just take normal GUTS buses to the metro (of which there aren't many) or take a cab, both at their own expense. While I am no longer a student, I can see how this would provide an extra hurdle to get to and from the game. Students are lazy and any small hurdle can and will prevent them from going. This is not a fact that is going to change. So what can be done? The athletic department should bring back the busses for these types of games: Week night, non-top 25 opponent, etc. They know very well when student attendance may be an issue, and this is something real they can do about it.
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hoyatables
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 4, 2010 0:26:21 GMT -5
Eh, all of those students made it down there on a weekend (worse GUTS/Metro service) and in the snow.
It's not like they had to make their way out to the Cap Center/US Air Arena . . . THAT was out of the way.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2010 0:27:07 GMT -5
Remind me not to hire any Georgetown student who can't find their way to game a couple of miles away on their own.
Really? "Screw you kids, you're on your own"? You're at college. Time to grow up and figure it out on your own.
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Post by hoya10 on Feb 4, 2010 0:29:19 GMT -5
Again, it hasn't deterred me at all. But in terms of bringing in the rest of the crowd, there should really be SOME policy.
Just to emphasize- NO excuse for everyone who didn't show up. I just think there should be some way to facilitate students going to the game so disasters like this don't happen.
And yes, obviously everyone is in college and should have the maturity to get to the game. But a lot of students really lock themselves into the campus, you know what it gets like at Georgetown.....
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 4, 2010 0:32:14 GMT -5
I just think there should be some way to facilitate students going to the game so disasters like this don't happen. Again, it's so simple - point system. You don't go to games like South Florida, you're putting yourself at risk for getting into games like Duke, Villanova, and Syracuse. That and maybe SOME metro cards to defray at least some of the cost of getting to and from the game. Thanks hoya10 for the student viewpoint. Nothing groundbreaking, but it is valuable to hear for those of us who are students no longer.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 4, 2010 1:17:04 GMT -5
Wait--are there any current students who were ever bussed to the games? I seem to remember that ending prior to the '06-'07 season, when the current seniors were freshmen. Nope. The athletic department also used to provide metro cards for students (06/07 and 07/08), but apparently no longer do so as well. So basically students just take normal GUTS buses to the metro (of which there aren't many) or take a cab, both at their own expense. While I am no longer a student, I can see how this would provide an extra hurdle to get to and from the game. Students are lazy and any small hurdle can and will prevent them from going. This is not a fact that is going to change. So what can be done? The athletic department should bring back the busses for these types of games: Week night, non-top 25 opponent, etc. They know very well when student attendance may be an issue, and this is something real they can do about it. I remember getting Metro cards, but there were not nearly enough--just about enough to cover the non-league schedule. But we still went to all the games. (By "we" I mean my friends and I, not necessarily everyone, but I don't remember crowds being that terrible when the team was winning, transportation be damned.)
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Feb 4, 2010 2:38:00 GMT -5
I was at the game, and remarked to my friends afterwards that it's painfully obvious this team plays well when the house is packed and the players obviously feed off of that energy. The entire arena was dead for the most part the entire game and the student turnout was terrible.
A lot of tickets in the 400 sections were giveaways, so I'd like to know what the actual paide attendance for this game really was. It looked like there were about 11,000-12,000 in attendance, and when 2,000 of that are in the upper deck, the Hoyas might as well have played this game on a neutral court.
Not making excuses, but the team - aside from this loss - deserves better than that.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 4, 2010 7:07:55 GMT -5
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 4, 2010 7:55:56 GMT -5
Waahh waaahh waaahhh, quit your crying you old farts. This wouldn't be an issue if the results were different. I don't think I was alone in not realizing there was a game last night until the AD emailed me the morning of and I scrambled to make it there. Duke hangover, literal hangovers, catching up on life after spending Saturday all on Duke and recovering after Duke on Sunday got in the way. This is a pretty ridiculous board after a loss.
Bunch of uppity fans "on a whole 'nother level." Get over yourselves.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 4, 2010 8:03:55 GMT -5
Final theory is that maybe the recession is scaring these students into spending more time studying and doing internships so they can get a leg up on the competition for jobs once they graduate. But recession or not, life is for living. As a student, I never missed a game I was in town for, for whatever reason, sometimes showing up two hours before game time on a weekday. I graduated. I had a decent GPA. I have an all right job. Pursue whatever makes you happy, and you will be fine in the end. This has some truth. I know there are a ton of kids interviewing right now for internships this summer and jobs later on. It's hard to justify taking out time for a mid week evening game when you've got interviews and midterms on the horizon. Sorry, superfans/tools.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 4, 2010 8:11:31 GMT -5
It would also be nice if the school re-instated busses that went directly to the game. A lot of students do not go simply because of the hassle. This is exacerbated by weeknight/ late games. I know- it's a horrible excuse. I've never used it. But this is honestly what I hear all the time So, when I was a student, there was no Verizon Center. And there were buses, because the USAir Arena, with its video before the game showing the little dog races, was out in the middle of nowhere. And if the bus got stuck in traffic and you missed the start of the Syracuse game, so be it. Today's kids are soft. With that said, kudos to the students who did show up. They were clearly audible in the far back of the YA section and consistently cheered even as the Hoyas kept on getting snakebit. And very few, if any, left before the end.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 4, 2010 8:25:47 GMT -5
Oh, and not to put too fine a point on it, but the many actual season ticket holders seemed surprisingly absent, too. I know that students have like twenty hours of free time a day, but the usual season ticket holders weren't that plentiful, either.
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Post by hoyabinx on Feb 4, 2010 9:06:07 GMT -5
Waahh waaahh waaahhh, quit your crying you old farts. This wouldn't be an issue if the results were different. At tipoff I said to myself "if someone hasn't started a thread on how pathetic student turnout is, I will." For me, it had nothing to do with the result. Seriously folks, there were about 800 students there tonight (half full), and that wasn't until midway through the 1st half. We are (were) the #7 team in the country. I mean, there really is no excuse that would convince me otherwise. A points system of some kind rewarding those who came last night would be ideal. Those who did come, did a great job with what little they had.
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Feb 4, 2010 9:12:31 GMT -5
Wait--are there any current students who were ever bussed to the games? I seem to remember that ending prior to the '06-'07 season, when the current seniors were freshmen. Nope. The athletic department also used to provide metro cards for students (06/07 and 07/08), but apparently no longer do so as well. So basically students just take normal GUTS buses to the metro (of which there aren't many) or take a cab, both at their own expense. While I am no longer a student, I can see how this would provide an extra hurdle to get to and from the game. Students are lazy and any small hurdle can and will prevent them from going. This is not a fact that is going to change. So what can be done? The athletic department should bring back the busses for these types of games: Week night, non-top 25 opponent, etc. They know very well when student attendance may be an issue, and this is something real they can do about it. Sometimes you have to accept the reality that student turn out will be lower for these types of games, but the turnout for USF was the worst I've seen since the student section was expanded to behind both baskets. Time will tell if this was a one-time thing or the basketball culture isn't as strong on campus as it has been in the past. If this becomes a trend I think it is important for a group of current students to take leadership on this issue and advocate for practical changes like the selective bussing idea listed above (excellent idea lizzibeth). I would be really interested in hearing Hoya Blue's take on this if any HB board members still post on this board (I'm not blaming a group of volunteers for student turn out, I just think they are uniquely positioned to effect change.)
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Post by tashoya on Feb 4, 2010 9:15:09 GMT -5
Waahh waaahh waaahhh, quit your crying you old farts. This wouldn't be an issue if the results were different. I don't think I was alone in not realizing there was a game last night until the AD emailed me the morning of and I scrambled to make it there. Duke hangover, literal hangovers, catching up on life after spending Saturday all on Duke and recovering after Duke on Sunday got in the way. This is a pretty ridiculous board after a loss. Bunch of uppity fans "on a whole 'nother level." Get over yourselves. And here's your real answer. Apparently, internet access, 24 hr. news cycles, iPhones, Blackberries, email, and (sort of) newspapers are not enough to inform the students of the schedule. Kids today have it so tough and they can't be expected to check the schedule too. By the way, who had multi-day hangovers as an 18-25 year old? Dude, you should get that checked.
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Post by deacon on Feb 4, 2010 10:06:11 GMT -5
If you had no idea there was a game last night, you have to seriously ask yourself if you're truly a fan of this team or a front-running edited.
Seriously.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 4, 2010 10:20:46 GMT -5
They bought season tickets, right? You think they would look at the schedule.
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Post by b52legend on Feb 4, 2010 10:24:22 GMT -5
I suggest the school changes the admission criteria. We need to stop letting in these jokes who only care about academics and miss week night games. They were there when I went to school and apparently they are still slipping in.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 4, 2010 10:33:23 GMT -5
Maybe they should do a test run of busing ONLY for games like these. Obviously, everyone will make it for Duke, Cuse, Nova games, but perhaps see if they can boost attendance by making these types of games really easy to get to,
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