theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 4, 2010 10:35:21 GMT -5
I suggest the school changes the admission criteria. We need to stop letting in these jokes who only care about academics and miss week night games. They were there when I went to school and apparently they are still slipping in. This is all Claire Cooper's fault.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 4, 2010 10:35:58 GMT -5
I suggest the school changes the admission criteria. We need to stop letting in these jokes who only care about academics and miss week night games. They were there when I went to school and apparently they are still slipping in. You seem to misunderstand, this is not about kids who care about academics versus the rest, it's about kids who realize that the marginal gains from another night of studying aren't going to have any effect on their lives. Every time I walked past Lauinger as a student and saw all the kids entombed in the Pierce fishbowl late into the night, I'd wonder how Georgetown ever let in kids who had to work so hard to stay afloat at Georgetown.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 4, 2010 10:39:16 GMT -5
This is becoming a strange conversation....
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Feb 4, 2010 10:45:25 GMT -5
Miss me with the whole, "They're studying, what do you want them to do," angle.
If this was 'Cuse or 'Nova, we aren't having this discussion because the kids would've found a way to be at the game, and we all know it.
I haven't been out of school that long, but I know it hasn't changed to the point that kids can't take just a few hours out of their incredibly busy schedules to support the team regardless of the opponent.
That goes for adults who are season-ticket holders as well. If you scoffed at going to the game last night simply because our guys were playing USF instead of Pitt, then you're not really a fan, but a front-running edited.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2010 10:54:15 GMT -5
Hey, if you don't want to go to the game, don't go to the game.
But just admit it -- don't be throwing out that you need to be carried there or that that extra three hours is actually being replaced by studying, when most of the students slept in til noon and played four hours of modern warfare.
It is a bummer, though. While I'm not the biggest proponent of anything on campus, this is the kind of game we maybe don't lose if we have one.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 4, 2010 10:56:14 GMT -5
It is a bummer, though. While I'm not the biggest proponent of anything on campus, this is the kind of game we maybe don't lose if we have one. The Monarchs say hello.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 4, 2010 10:57:28 GMT -5
Again, I'll reiterate that the crowd overall wasn't bad. 12,207 for a weeknight game against South Florida is not bad, at all. It was just the student turnout that was disappointing. I mean, I was expecting it, but I was just a little more disappointed than I expected.
Last night's game was a little humbling, in that we have come a long ways, but we have a little farther to go in order to be a truly elite team, program, and fanbase.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2010 10:58:49 GMT -5
It is a bummer, though. While I'm not the biggest proponent of anything on campus, this is the kind of game we maybe don't lose if we have one. The Monarchs say hello. Good point.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 4, 2010 11:01:26 GMT -5
While my good point was in part facetious, at some point this team has to develop that internal motor where they don't need the crowd as crutch to jump start them. I'm not excusing lack of support like last night, but if that's what it takes they won't be going very deep in March.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 4, 2010 11:05:47 GMT -5
Again, I'll reiterate that the crowd overall wasn't bad. 12,207 for a weeknight game against South Florida is not bad, at all. It was just the student turnout that was disappointing. I mean, I was expecting it, but I was just a little more disappointed than I expected. Last night's game was a little humbling, in that we have come a long ways, but we have a little farther to go in order to be a truly elite team, program, and fanbase. And I don't care what you thought you heard on MASN last night, the "community" fans that were there were surprisingly vocal. They more than contributed to their fair share of De-fense and Let's Go Hoyas chants, and the profanities coming from the guy behind me were the rival of many a good student fan. A good part of the lower bowl stayed on their feet for the last 8:00 of the second half, and many stuck around in my section long after the student section had dwindled to half their peak numbers in the hopes of seeing a miraculous comeback. The only thing that quieted them, and this saddened me a bit, is that many seemed left out by the We Are Georgetown chant, like they weren't sure whether they should be cheering if they weren't actually students or alumni. I'll toss this out to the most intelligent peanut gallery in all of sports fandom: is there anything you think we can do to get everyone that bleeds blue to feel a part of the institution?
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Feb 4, 2010 11:22:43 GMT -5
Good post, Rosslyn. Maybe next year replace the player-centered ads and the pregame video with one showing Jack around a variety of DC-area landmarks (Metro stations and such), holding up a "We are Georgetown" banner with fans? The Caps kind of do this by showing the State Theater in their pregame videos, and it always brought a cheer when people saw something.
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Feb 4, 2010 11:31:58 GMT -5
Ugh I really liked the Buses that went directly to the Verizon Center... I don't see why it's not feasible just because more people wanted to go to the games. And as has been said, they could certainly be run for weeknight games.
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Post by rccoleon on Feb 4, 2010 11:38:32 GMT -5
Ugh I really liked the Buses that went directly to the Verizon Center... I don't see why it's not feasible just because more people wanted to go to the games. And as has been said, they could certainly be run for weeknight games. Students already get extremely subsidized tickets so I think the athletics department has done enough to increase student turnout and do not need to provide dozens of buses to an area that is 2.8 miles away.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Feb 4, 2010 11:39:55 GMT -5
Its been said, but I feel like I have to say it again. Last night student turnout = pathetic.
Students that were there did a great job but the turnout is a joke for the number 7 team in the country. When I was in school during the Esherick days we had a better turn out.
What happened to Hoya Blue. Are they still around?
And I agree with the earlier post about your grades. F THEM. I got a 3.6 and its gotten me nowhere. I wish I spent more time getting drunk!!
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 4, 2010 11:46:18 GMT -5
Question: do you all still masturbate in tears like you did in college, or have we matured so we only do this self-righteous snob routine online now?
Seriously, stop complaining about students. There's gonna be low turnout games like last night till the end of time. Stop pretending that this past weekend or even some of the medium/big BE games are indicative of the fanbase. It's NOT. You know why the 400s were full last weekend and will be, although probably not to the same degree this Saturday and the Thursday ‘cuse comes to town?
*drum roll please*
Because a lot of alums came into town and a lot more kids wanted to get inappropriately drunk with their friends.
Duke’s a big name, that’s why they came. (Nova and Cuse are big too, but not as big, and while people know they’re rivals, maybe kinda sorta not everyone took a Hoyatalk administered fan test before the season and know those are the biggest games of the year??)
Do you know why at least 40% of student season ticket holders spend 150 on tickets or whatever it is now before the season? I assure you it isn't because they are die-hards trying to get in the front row, it's because they want to have access to tickets for the big games when all their friends are pumped for some afternoon shenanigans and/or some sweet day drinking.
THIS IS THE SAME AS AT EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE NATION.
(maybe at WVU they have a little/lot less class about it)
Difference at G’town: We just happen to have only 6000 kids instead of the 28000 at UMCP or whatever public institution you want to talk about, PLUS we have as many or MORE student seats that can be filled. Think about the ratios of spots and the demand. It’s really not all that shocking. It would have be a very, very pleasant surprise if we got close to filling both sections last night, never mind the overflow.
I would love Austin Freeman to come on here and answer this question:
Do Georgetown students OWE you to show up?
Not does he appreciate it, not does the energy help him or the team, not anything else but does any student owe him to go to the game. I think we’d all agree that no student owes the school or the team to show up and that every cheer, every sign, every job well done is a very nice added bonus. Stop acting like the students let the team or you down. All your money you donate is to support the team, not to join it. Stop getting all offended and self-righteous. No offense to Austin, JT3 or anyone else, but if you go into the game counting on the students to be loud, you are one soft basketball player and never mind our lack of depth, THAT is officially the newest reason to be concerned about the team. Good grief. THANK GAWD THAT ISNT THE CASE. People cheer out of school pride, not because they’re obligated to for any reason. Period. (and a completely different debate)
Furthermore, I’m not one to get all antsy about how tough school is to get into or how hard it is now or what advances we have because it’s all relative and that’s lame and it doesn’t matter. You do what you have to do. That’s how you learn responsibility. You make mistakes, you realize what your limits are, and you move on. However, please, please, PLEASE stop knocking people’s priorities because you’re so enlightened that you realized that studying for that one test or not didn’t matter. Would I miss the game? No, and I rarely did. Am I going to knock someone who stayed home because they felt more comfortable if they studied or prepared for that interview? Heck no. You all sound like freaking student section bullies, “YOU BETTER GO TO THE GAME…OR ELSE!” You gonna kill JT3’s puppy if I don’t? Get a grip. The best you can do is remind and ask people to come to the games with you and offer alternatives if they feel the need to study or whatever, but anything more is overbearing and unnecessary and out of line. It just is. No if’s, and’s or but’s about it.
I agree: college kids don’t have much perspective and this and that. But with that said, what do you want them to do? Age 10 years and become boring like you so you can look back in hindsight and understand that if they went to the USF game…then what? Do you feel better that you went to the game and cheered while we lost versus if you watched it at home? I don’t understand where these attendance badges of honor come from. Most people I know go to the games because they like the atmosphere and watching the games up close and cheering, not because they feel obligated. I hope most of you don’t live in DC just because of the team! That’s no way to make decisions in life!
Lastly, I challenge you, older alums. You’re all friendly people that like going to Nats games or Skins games or giving games up for charity auctions, etc. You trade tickets with your friends and they help you out. If you had to give a home game’s seats away, would you give nova? No. Cuse? No. UConn? No. Duke? Heck no. Would you have given Rutgers or USF? Yes, yes, yes, yes and more yes. If there was one game you would sacrifice to bring some friends or business associates or clients to, you’d pick this one because it doesn’t matter to you as much as the others. Nobody’s fooled by your big words that every game is a must win and must attend. You don’t think of it that way, and if you do, Lord help you. Find some freaking hobbies besides checking Hoyatalk, ESPN.com and counting down to the next game.
Epilogue: And yknow what? Now as I post this I realize I’m the idiot in all this…I once again fell or Hoyatalk’s insanity. Well played, Hoyatalk, well played. Your typically inane and out of touch debates clouded my own judgment (if only I was sooo enlightened as the others!!) and wasted a solid 25 minutes of my life ranting about something no one on the other side will ever realize just…doesn’t…matter.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Feb 4, 2010 11:49:56 GMT -5
So I only skimmed your rant because it was mindless drivel but have you ever considered Valium? Maybe breathing into a paper bag? Question: do you all still masturbate in tears like you did in college, or have we matured so we only do this self-righteous snob routine online now? Seriously, stop complaining about students. There's gonna be low turnout games like last night till the end of time. Stop pretending that this past weekend or even some of the medium/big BE games are indicative of the fanbase. It's NOT. You know why the 400s were full last weekend and will be, although probably not to the same degree this Saturday and the Thursday ‘cuse comes to town? *drum roll please* Because a lot of alums came into town and a lot more kids wanted to get inappropriately drunk with their friends. Duke’s a big name, that’s why they came. (Nova and Cuse are big too, but not as big, and while people know they’re rivals, maybe kinda sorta not everyone took a Hoyatalk administered fan test before the season and know those are the biggest games of the year??) Do you know why at least 40% of student season ticket holders spend 150 on tickets or whatever it is now before the season? I assure you it isn't because they are die-hards trying to get in the front row, it's because they want to have access to tickets for the big games when all their friends are pumped for some afternoon shenanigans and/or some sweet day drinking. THIS IS THE SAME AS AT EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE NATION. (maybe at WVU they have a little/lot less class about it) Difference at G’town: We just happen to have only 6000 kids instead of the 28000 at UMCP or whatever public institution you want to talk about, PLUS we have as many or MORE student seats that can be filled. Think about the ratios of spots and the demand. It’s really not all that shocking. It would have be a very, very pleasant surprise if we got close to filling both sections last night, never mind the overflow. I would love Austin Freeman to come on here and answer this question: Do Georgetown students OWE you to show up? Not does he appreciate it, not does the energy help him or the team, not anything else but does any student owe him to go to the game. I think we’d all agree that no student owes the school or the team to show up and that every cheer, every sign, every job well done is a very nice added bonus. Stop acting like the students let the team or you down. All your money you donate is to support the team, not to join it. Stop getting all offended and self-righteous. No offense to Austin, JT3 or anyone else, but if you go into the game counting on the students to be loud, you are one soft basketball player and never mind our lack of depth, THAT is officially the newest reason to be concerned about the team. Good grief. THANK GAWD THAT ISNT THE CASE. People cheer out of school pride, not because they’re obligated to for any reason. Period. (and a completely different debate) Furthermore, I’m not one to get all antsy about how tough school is to get into or how hard it is now or what advances we have because it’s all relative and that’s lame and it doesn’t matter. You do what you have to do. That’s how you learn responsibility. You make mistakes, you realize what your limits are, and you move on. However, please, please, PLEASE stop knocking people’s priorities because you’re so enlightened that you realized that studying for that one test or not didn’t matter. Would I miss the game? No, and I rarely did. Am I going to knock someone who stayed home because they felt more comfortable if they studied or prepared for that interview? Heck no. You all sound like freaking student section bullies, “YOU BETTER GO TO THE GAME…OR ELSE!” You gonna kill JT3’s puppy if I don’t? Get a grip. The best you can do is remind and ask people to come to the games with you and offer alternatives if they feel the need to study or whatever, but anything more is overbearing and unnecessary and out of line. It just is. No if’s, and’s or but’s about it. I agree: college kids don’t have much perspective and this and that. But with that said, what do you want them to do? Age 10 years and become boring like you so you can look back in hindsight and understand that if they went to the USF game…then what? Do you feel better that you went to the game and cheered while we lost versus if you watched it at home? I don’t understand where these attendance badges of honor come from. Most people I know go to the games because they like the atmosphere and watching the games up close and cheering, not because they feel obligated. I hope most of you don’t live in DC just because of the team! That’s no way to make decisions in life! Lastly, I challenge you, older alums. You’re all friendly people that like going to Nats games or Skins games or giving games up for charity auctions, etc. You trade tickets with your friends and they help you out. If you had to give a home game’s seats away, would you give nova? No. Cuse? No. UConn? No. Duke? Heck no. Would you have given Rutgers or USF? Yes, yes, yes, yes and more yes. If there was one game you would sacrifice to bring some friends or business associates or clients to, you’d pick this one because it doesn’t matter to you as much as the others. Nobody’s fooled by your big words that every game is a must win and must attend. You don’t think of it that way, and if you do, Lord help you. Find some freaking hobbies besides checking Hoyatalk, ESPN.com and counting down to the next game. Epilogue: And yknow what? Now as I post this I realize I’m the idiot in all this…I once again fell or Hoyatalk’s insanity. Well played, Hoyatalk, well played. Your typically inane and out of touch debates clouded my own judgment (if only I was sooo enlightened as the others!!) and wasted a solid 25 minutes of my life ranting about something no one on the other side will ever realize just…doesn’t…matter.
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Post by tjm62 on Feb 4, 2010 12:01:24 GMT -5
Question: do you all still masturbate in tears like you did in college, or have we matured so we only do this self-righteous snob routine online now? Seriously, stop complaining about students. There's gonna be low turnout games like last night till the end of time. Stop pretending that this past weekend or even some of the medium/big BE games are indicative of the fanbase. It's NOT. You know why the 400s were full last weekend and will be, although probably not to the same degree this Saturday and the Thursday ‘cuse comes to town? *drum roll please* Because a lot of alums came into town and a lot more kids wanted to get inappropriately drunk with their friends. Duke’s a big name, that’s why they came. (Nova and Cuse are big too, but not as big, and while people know they’re rivals, maybe kinda sorta not everyone took a Hoyatalk administered fan test before the season and know those are the biggest games of the year??) Do you know why at least 40% of student season ticket holders spend 150 on tickets or whatever it is now before the season? I assure you it isn't because they are die-hards trying to get in the front row, it's because they want to have access to tickets for the big games when all their friends are pumped for some afternoon shenanigans and/or some sweet day drinking. THIS IS THE SAME AS AT EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE NATION. (maybe at WVU they have a little/lot less class about it) Difference at G’town: We just happen to have only 6000 kids instead of the 28000 at UMCP or whatever public institution you want to talk about, PLUS we have as many or MORE student seats that can be filled. Think about the ratios of spots and the demand. It’s really not all that shocking. It would have be a very, very pleasant surprise if we got close to filling both sections last night, never mind the overflow. I would love Austin Freeman to come on here and answer this question: Do Georgetown students OWE you to show up? Not does he appreciate it, not does the energy help him or the team, not anything else but does any student owe him to go to the game. I think we’d all agree that no student owes the school or the team to show up and that every cheer, every sign, every job well done is a very nice added bonus. Stop acting like the students let the team or you down. All your money you donate is to support the team, not to join it. Stop getting all offended and self-righteous. No offense to Austin, JT3 or anyone else, but if you go into the game counting on the students to be loud, you are one soft basketball player and never mind our lack of depth, THAT is officially the newest reason to be concerned about the team. Good grief. THANK GAWD THAT ISNT THE CASE. People cheer out of school pride, not because they’re obligated to for any reason. Period. (and a completely different debate) Furthermore, I’m not one to get all antsy about how tough school is to get into or how hard it is now or what advances we have because it’s all relative and that’s lame and it doesn’t matter. You do what you have to do. That’s how you learn responsibility. You make mistakes, you realize what your limits are, and you move on. However, please, please, PLEASE stop knocking people’s priorities because you’re so enlightened that you realized that studying for that one test or not didn’t matter. Would I miss the game? No, and I rarely did. Am I going to knock someone who stayed home because they felt more comfortable if they studied or prepared for that interview? Heck no. You all sound like freaking student section bullies, “YOU BETTER GO TO THE GAME…OR ELSE!” You gonna kill JT3’s puppy if I don’t? Get a grip. The best you can do is remind and ask people to come to the games with you and offer alternatives if they feel the need to study or whatever, but anything more is overbearing and unnecessary and out of line. It just is. No if’s, and’s or but’s about it. I agree: college kids don’t have much perspective and this and that. But with that said, what do you want them to do? Age 10 years and become boring like you so you can look back in hindsight and understand that if they went to the USF game…then what? Do you feel better that you went to the game and cheered while we lost versus if you watched it at home? I don’t understand where these attendance badges of honor come from. Most people I know go to the games because they like the atmosphere and watching the games up close and cheering, not because they feel obligated. I hope most of you don’t live in DC just because of the team! That’s no way to make decisions in life! Lastly, I challenge you, older alums. You’re all friendly people that like going to Nats games or Skins games or giving games up for charity auctions, etc. You trade tickets with your friends and they help you out. If you had to give a home game’s seats away, would you give nova? No. Cuse? No. UConn? No. Duke? Heck no. Would you have given Rutgers or USF? Yes, yes, yes, yes and more yes. If there was one game you would sacrifice to bring some friends or business associates or clients to, you’d pick this one because it doesn’t matter to you as much as the others. Nobody’s fooled by your big words that every game is a must win and must attend. You don’t think of it that way, and if you do, Lord help you. Find some freaking hobbies besides checking Hoyatalk, ESPN.com and counting down to the next game. Epilogue: And yknow what? Now as I post this I realize I’m the idiot in all this…I once again fell or Hoyatalk’s insanity. Well played, Hoyatalk, well played. Your typically inane and out of touch debates clouded my own judgment (if only I was sooo enlightened as the others!!) and wasted a solid 25 minutes of my life ranting about something no one on the other side will ever realize just…doesn’t…matter. Awesome
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Post by hometownhoya89 on Feb 4, 2010 12:05:24 GMT -5
he think he has many salient points.
<3 JimmyHoya's younger brother, who is studying for interviews & distraught about last night's performance from his village B
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Feb 4, 2010 12:11:33 GMT -5
Wow. It's been a while since HiFi slipped into the background as the most annoying casual fan on this board, but JimmyHoya has just taken the baton...and begun running with it! What an incredible hoser.
Also, buses are not the answer. Buses were discontinued because they sucked, plain and simple. They didn't boost attendance--they just made getting to a game a (more) miserable experience. Might I recommend the Circulator?
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Post by rccoleon on Feb 4, 2010 12:18:17 GMT -5
THIS IS THE SAME AS AT EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE NATION. This couldn't be further from the truth. Schools like Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, Carolina do not have this problem. If you want Georgetown to get into that tier of schools, something needs to change. I understand those schools have massive student bodies, but students at those schools go sober (can't get in the building unless you are there hours before) and they fill the student section on winter breaks, etc. They don't go to the game because it is a fun time to get drunk (no alcohol served at those gyms and they have to get there hours before just to be permitted into the building) they do it because they are invested. Every game should be at or close to the atmosphere that we witnessed on Saturday for a top 10 team. I don't care who they are playing.
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