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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 3, 2010 23:27:20 GMT -5
Guru, like Rockaway, I am confused at how JTIII's teams struggle at the end of the regular season. In fact since we have had 2 seasons where we completely collapsed, 2 seasons where we excelled, and 1 season where we collapsed then recovered post season.
I really don't feel like that is enough of a sample group to really attack JTIII in that way, especially with our SOS, RPI, and signature wins. We may be on the bubble but securely on the RIGHT side of the bubble this year.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2010 23:35:50 GMT -5
Guru, like Rockaway, I am confused at how JTIII's teams struggle at the end of the regular season. In fact since we have had 2 seasons where we completely collapsed, 2 seasons where we excelled, and 1 season where we collapsed then recovered post season. I really don't feel like that is enough of a sample group to really attack JTIII in that way, especially with our SOS, RPI, and signature wins. We may be on the bubble but securely on the RIGHT side of the bubble this year. I don't think it's an attack. I love JT3 - but in 4 of his 6 seasons we have sputtered down the home stretch of the regular season. That's not really debatable. Anyway, with the Free news I'll drop this.
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 3, 2010 23:58:28 GMT -5
Louisville Site has a different read than the front page in case of a Gtown win, ND win, Lou loss
"The second one is comparing each team's record against the top teams in the conference until one team has a clear advantage over the others. The Big East defines "clear advantage" to mean that one team's record has to be so good that none of the other teams could match it if they all played the same number of games against a top team. So our 1-1 record against Syracuse would not trump ND's 0-1 record, because if ND had the chance to play Syracuse again they might match our 1-1. Therefore we don't have a clear advantage. You keep going down the standings until one team has a clear advantage, and that occurs with Marquette: ND would be 1-0, and UL and GTown would be 0-1. So ND gets the 6 seed. Then to determine the 7 seed you take the head-to-head of UL and GTown, which Georgetown won, so U of L gets the 8 seed."
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 4, 2010 1:30:47 GMT -5
Not sure we aren't the 7th seed if win, Lou loses and ND wins...
Mini-conference record is a tie...
“The second one is comparing each team’s record against the top teams in the conference until one team has a clear advantage over the others. The Big East defines “clear advantage” to mean that one team’s record has to be so good that none of the other teams could match it if they all played the same number of games against a top team. So our 1-1 record against Syracuse would not trump ND’s 0-1 record, because if ND had the chance to play Syracuse again they might match our 1-1. Therefore we don’t have a clear advantage. You keep going down the standings until one team has a clear advantage, and that occurs with Marquette: ND would be 1-0, and UL and GTown would be 0-1. So ND gets the 6 seed. Then to determine the 7 seed you take the head-to-head of UL and GTown, which Georgetown won, so U of L gets the 8 seed." _ From Louisville site
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Based on this language from the official BE seeding procedures…“After the top team in a mini-conference is determined, the next team is ranked by its record in the original mini-conference. If there are any remaining teams tied by their record in the mini-conference, then head-to-head results will determine the higher seed.”
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 4, 2010 2:43:27 GMT -5
is this correct i CANT SLEEP even if notre dame loses the next game they are 9-9 at worst.. then if we lose to cinncy we are nine and nine tooo and then if usf beats uconn they are nine and nine now we then would all have nine and nine that make the three of us in places seventh eight and nine in the final standings SOOOOO i believe if thats the case if usf does not lose to uconn adn we lose then we are in NINTH PLACE because we lost our onlygame to notre dame and only game to usf IS THAT WRIGHT im not worried about how HIGH we go im worried about that we will be in ninth place and play on tues if we lose adn usf wins its last game IS THAT CORRECT.. PLEASE i know im dense on this but cant sleep HELP
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 4, 2010 2:47:16 GMT -5
ok im dumb dumb dumb but can go to sleep wont sleep soundly tho cause on teh hoyasaxa front page dfw has it there clearly that i am sadly wright if we lose to cinncy and usf beats uconn WE NEED TO PLAY ON TUES.. and thats the story so now i can go back to bed but i wont sleep very well for sure.. GO HOYAS BEAT CINNCY PLEASE
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 4, 2010 11:43:59 GMT -5
Mods- Can we change the seeding scenarios on the front page. While it is true ND cannot be worse than an 8th seed if it wins, it does not mean we necessarily are 8th or worse. Every other site I am seeing says that if we win and Louisville loses to Syracuse we are no worse than 7th (7th if ND wins, 6th of they lose).
Can you send me a PM with the other sites? Thanks.--Admin
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 4, 2010 11:55:21 GMT -5
The ideal spot would be 6 with Pitt at #3. If we can do that we might be playing Saturday night.
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 4, 2010 11:58:38 GMT -5
The ideal spot would be 6 with Pitt at #3. If we can do that we might be playing Saturday night. Well thats one scenario we know for sure....We win + ND and Lou losses
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Post by Buckets on Mar 4, 2010 12:03:46 GMT -5
I think the ideal spot is any one where we get to play the winner of South Florida and any of the bottom four and would be in line to play Villanova after that. Pitt's not a bad draw, but I think Nova is ideal. Syracuse is obviously better than West Virginia, but WV is much better than Pitt and Nova.
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Post by Eurostar on Mar 4, 2010 12:16:26 GMT -5
anything that keeps us on the opposite side of syracuse is fine with me. i think we have a 50/50 shot at losing to anyone else in the big east.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2010 12:30:13 GMT -5
I think people are looking at this all wrong. For my money, the "best case" scenario is also the most likely one. Going beyond that, maybe I'm a pessimist, but I'm not dumb enough to invest myself in the need for Georgetown to win. That means that for my money the most important game of the day--the one to REALLY be focused on--is UConn-USF.
I'd put the scenarios in the following order most to least likely (though I decline to project the results of two Seton Hall games):
1. Hoyas get the 6, ND the 7, Louisville the 8, somebody the 9 (depending on Seton Hall)
GU wins. Marquette beats ND. Syracuse beats Louisville. UConn beats USF.
2. Louisville gets the 6, ND the 7, GU the 8.
GU loses. Marquette beats ND. Syracuse beats Louisville. UCONN beats USF.
3. Louisville the 6, ND the 7, USF the 8, GU the 9.
GU loses. Marquette beats ND. Syracuse beats Louisville. USF beats UConn.
4. Louisville the 6, GU the 7, ND the 8
GU wins. Marquette beats ND. Louisville beats Syracuse. UConn beats USF/USF beats UConn
5. Louisville the 6, ND the 7, USF the 8, GU the 9
GU loses. Marquette beats ND. Louisville beats Syracuse. USF beats UConn
Then we can go into the iterations where ND wins at Marquette. I just don't think that's going to happen.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 4, 2010 12:54:10 GMT -5
If all the favorites win this weekend we are 6...and Pitt 3....that is the approach I will take.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 4, 2010 12:59:28 GMT -5
owwow beat cinncy take charge of your own destiny DONT DEPEND ON UCON TO BEAT USF UCONN WAS AWFUL YES AWFUL LAST NITE VS. NOTRE DAME . go hoyas beat cincy but most important austin get under control and get back to your colleg life soon.. go hoyas
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Post by westendhoya on Mar 4, 2010 13:03:54 GMT -5
Bottom line:
Beat Cincy and either one of these things will happen (Cuse beating Lou or Marq. beating ND)..
We get a nighttime Wed game, avoid Cuse's side of the bracket, get a decent draw to make a run if we start playing better....
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2010 13:38:10 GMT -5
Mods- Can we change the seeding scenarios on the front page. While it is true ND cannot be worse than an 8th seed if it wins, it does not mean we necessarily are 8th or worse. Every other site I am seeing says that if we win and Louisville loses to Syracuse we are no worse than 7th (7th if ND wins, 6th of they lose). Can you send me a PM with the other sites? Thanks.--AdminWhat's the latest on this? I think this is a huge distinction, as I fully expect ND to take down Marquette pretty easily this weekend. That team is playing as well as anybody in the conference not wearing Orange.
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Post by swhoya on Mar 4, 2010 13:43:03 GMT -5
What's the latest on this? I think this is a huge distinction, as I fully expect ND to take down Marquette pretty easily this weekend. That team is playing as well as anybody in the conference not wearing Orange.[/quote]
I hope you threw up in your mouth when you wrote this.
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2010 13:44:07 GMT -5
What's the latest on this? I think this is a huge distinction, as I fully expect ND to take down Marquette pretty easily this weekend. That team is playing as well as anybody in the conference not wearing Orange. I hope you threw up in your mouth when you wrote this.[/quote] lol -notice how i couldn't bring myself to type the name of that school
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2010 15:26:42 GMT -5
What's the latest on this? I think this is a huge distinction, as I fully expect ND to take down Marquette pretty easily this weekend. That team is playing as well as anybody in the conference not wearing Orange. Um, Marquette has gone 9-1 in its last 10 games. ND's little 3-game streak including two home games and a slumping team whose leading scorer was playing with undiagnosed diabetes doesn't quite measure up. Throw in that this game is at the Bradley Center and you'd be crazy to "fully expect ND to take down Marquette pretty easily."
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 4, 2010 15:37:51 GMT -5
What's the latest on this? I think this is a huge distinction, as I fully expect ND to take down Marquette pretty easily this weekend. That team is playing as well as anybody in the conference not wearing Orange. Um, Marquette has gone 9-1 in its last 10 games. ND's little 3-game streak including two home games and a slumping team whose leading scorer was playing with undiagnosed diabetes doesn't quite measure up. Throw in that this game is at the Bradley Center and you'd be crazy to "fully expect ND to take down Marquette pretty easily." It continues to amaze me how just because Marquette's SOS or RPI isn't top notch, they get dismissed on this board as "not very good." They also beat us, so you'd think there'd be some respect. Not only have they won 9 of 10, the 7-point loss to Pitt in that span is their largest margin of defeat since December. This team is in every single game clawing for victories. Their reward is a #5 seed.
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