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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 2, 2010 13:10:34 GMT -5
Dan. I am not sure that I agree that a noon Wednesday game is the most likely spot for the Hoyas. If Georgetown beats Cincy, isn't a 7 seed and a 7 o' clock game on Wednesday more likely? I think that is right. Based on my calculations, if we win Saturday, we will be the 7 unless ND wins twice this week (in which case we would be the 8) or Lville loses twice (in which case we would be the 6). If both those things happen, I think we stay at the 7 (I think all three teams would be 1-1 in mini-conference, Lville would be the 6 based on the win over Cuse, we would be the 7 based on our win over Nova - unless of course WVU passes Nova, in which case we would be the 8 because ND beat WVU). If we lose Saturday, things could (but not necessarily) get really ugly in terms of BET seeding and having to play a game on the dreaded Tuesday. There is no worse feeling that being drunk at 4 p.m. on a Tuesday with your team just knocked out of the BET (and by definition beaten by a bad team) and $350 worth of basketball tickets in your pocket for games that you no longer have any interest in attending and that your idiotic GU roomate will only let you sell to someone the group knows so as not to cause problems for his boss who is a fat cat SJU booster that scored the great seats for the group. I just don't want to go there again. Beating Cincy is so important on so many levels.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 2, 2010 22:29:47 GMT -5
Agree with all of that, but I also think it is pretty likely ND will lose once and Lville will lose twice. Don't see Lville beating Marq, and I really don't see them sweeping Syracuse. Syracuse has that one circled I am sure. In that case, our win really could mean the 6, and that is big. Root for Marq to beat both ND and Lville.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 2, 2010 23:50:16 GMT -5
So Marquette wins and gets to 11 wins (nice job BE coaches picking the league's second most experienced team to finish 12th preseason--Pomeroy was all over Marquette doing well this year by comparison):
Here are the relevant games as far as the Hoyas are concerned:
Hoyas: Sat vs. Cincy
Louisville Sat. vs. Syracuse
ND Wed. vs. Conn Sat. at Marquette
USF Sat. vs. Conn
Conn Wed. at ND Sat. at USF
Seton Hall Thur. at Rutgers Sat. at Providence
Are we saying if Hoyas finish tied at 9-9 with USF and SHU they couldn't finish 10th? I guess USF would win the mini-conference with its 2-0 record and the Hoyas would come in 9th, right?
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 2, 2010 23:54:16 GMT -5
Are we saying if Hoyas finish tied at 9-9 with USF and SHU they couldn't finish 10th? I guess USF would win the mini-conference with its 2-0 record and the Hoyas would come in 9th, right? I don't know the answer, but the fact that's a legitimate question to ask makes me want to put my face through a wall.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2010 0:02:36 GMT -5
Are we saying if Hoyas finish tied at 9-9 with USF and SHU they couldn't finish 10th? I guess USF would win the mini-conference with its 2-0 record and the Hoyas would come in 9th, right? I don't know the answer, but the fact that's a legitimate question to ask makes me want to put my face through a wall. Is it sick that I'm more focused on scenarios where the Hoyas finish 9-9 than if they're 10-8? I dare not dream of a Saturday victory at this stage.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 3, 2010 0:05:56 GMT -5
I don't know the answer, but the fact that's a legitimate question to ask makes me want to put my face through a wall. Is it sick that I'm more focused on scenarios where the Hoyas finish 9-9 than if they're 10-8? I dare not dream of a Saturday victory at this stage. Sadly, no, it's not sick at all. I think I know how Austin felt on Saturday.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 3, 2010 7:56:05 GMT -5
have i got this wright if we win we gotta be in the top eight for sure wright if we lose WE NEED TO HAVE USF LOSE TO UCONN ON FRI TO GO 8-10 AND WE NEED TO HAVE NOTRE DAME LOSE TO UCONN AND MARQUETTE BOTH TO GET INTO THE TOP EIGHT IF THOSE DONT HAPPEN AND WE LOSE TO CINNCY THEN WERE NOT IN THE TOP EIGHT AND PLAY ON TUESDAY UGH go hoyas control your owndestinty beat cinncy but that will be tough they took nova almost last nite yeah nova and for now GO UCONN HUSKIES WIN OUT THE YEAR AND GO MARQUTEETE BEAT NOTRE DAME yes yes yes but lets control our own fate ps is there a link to the current bigeast schedules out there help go hoyas
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 3, 2010 8:39:25 GMT -5
Dan. I am not sure that I agree that a noon Wednesday game is the most likely spot for the Hoyas. If Georgetown beats Cincy, isn't a 7 seed and a 7 o' clock game on Wednesday more likely? I think that is right. Based on my calculations, if we win Saturday, we will be the 7 unless ND wins twice this week (in which case we would be the 8) or Lville loses twice (in which case we would be the 6). If both those things happen, I think we stay at the 7 (I think all three teams would be 1-1 in mini-conference, Lville would be the 6 based on the win over Cuse, we would be the 7 based on our win over Nova - unless of course WVU passes Nova, in which case we would be the 8 because ND beat WVU). If we lose Saturday, things could (but not necessarily) get really ugly in terms of BET seeding and having to play a game on the dreaded Tuesday. There is no worse feeling that being drunk at 4 p.m. on a Tuesday with your team just knocked out of the BET (and by definition beaten by a bad team) and $350 worth of basketball tickets in your pocket for games that you no longer have any interest in attending and that your idiotic GU roomate will only let you sell to someone the group knows so as not to cause problems for his boss who is a fat cat SJU booster that scored the great seats for the group. I just don't want to go there again. Beating Cincy is so important on so many levels. I don't think you are correct as to the outcome if Louisville loses to Syracuse and ND wins twice. In that scenario, Louisville wins the mini-conference because of their prior win over Syracuse, and we lose the tiebreaker to ND because of head to head. In that scenario we end up 8. www.bigeast.org/fls/19400/pdfs/mensbball/tiebreaker09.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=19400&KEY=&SPID=11228&SPSID=94715 We really need ND to lose tonight.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 3, 2010 12:01:15 GMT -5
Who wins a Pitt/WVU tie-break? Pitt gets two bad teams at home and West Virginia is better than Villanova. There's a good chance they all finish 13-5, and WV and Pitt both would have beaten Nova but split their home and home. Good chance we finish 6th or 7th, so this would be a potential second round opponent.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 3, 2010 12:11:32 GMT -5
Pitt wins it because they beat Cuse
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 3, 2010 12:39:26 GMT -5
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Post by Buckets on Mar 3, 2010 12:43:14 GMT -5
I knew this was Stepka and Dougherty's fault.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 3, 2010 13:03:57 GMT -5
I knew this was Stepka and Dougherty's fault. LOL.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 3, 2010 21:06:10 GMT -5
I think that is right. Based on my calculations, if we win Saturday, we will be the 7 unless ND wins twice this week (in which case we would be the 8) or Lville loses twice (in which case we would be the 6). If both those things happen, I think we stay at the 7 (I think all three teams would be 1-1 in mini-conference, Lville would be the 6 based on the win over Cuse, we would be the 7 based on our win over Nova - unless of course WVU passes Nova, in which case we would be the 8 because ND beat WVU). If we lose Saturday, things could (but not necessarily) get really ugly in terms of BET seeding and having to play a game on the dreaded Tuesday. There is no worse feeling that being drunk at 4 p.m. on a Tuesday with your team just knocked out of the BET (and by definition beaten by a bad team) and $350 worth of basketball tickets in your pocket for games that you no longer have any interest in attending and that your idiotic GU roomate will only let you sell to someone the group knows so as not to cause problems for his boss who is a fat cat SJU booster that scored the great seats for the group. I just don't want to go there again. Beating Cincy is so important on so many levels. I don't think you are correct as to the outcome if Louisville loses to Syracuse and ND wins twice. In that scenario, Louisville wins the mini-conference because of their prior win over Syracuse, and we lose the tiebreaker to ND because of head to head. In that scenario we end up 8. www.bigeast.org/fls/19400/pdfs/mensbball/tiebreaker09.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=19400&KEY=&SPID=11228&SPSID=94715 We really need ND to lose tonight. Sadly that's just how things are going this season.
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2010 21:24:53 GMT -5
Updated scenarios on the front page. Not a lot of good news.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 3, 2010 22:16:20 GMT -5
have i got this wright if we beat cinncy we dont play on tues if we lose to cinncy and uconn beats usf we dont play on tues and if WE LOST TO CINNCY AND USF BEAT UCONN WE PLAY ON UGHUG TUES is that wright have i finally got it correct please dfw tries to tutor me but im helpless i THINK thats what i get from the front page PS WATCHING THAT UCONN GAME THAT WAS THE WORST THEYVE PLAYED AND ALMOST ANYONE IN THE BIG EAST HAS PLAYED ALL YEAR EXCEPT MAYBE SOME DEPAUL GAMES didnot help us AT ALL go hoyas beat cinncy NOTUESPLEASE
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 3, 2010 22:27:22 GMT -5
That ND win hurt. We face the possibility of three consecutive noon games next week, which doesn't bode well for the team or its fans.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2010 22:39:35 GMT -5
Are people really surprised that ND won tonight? That team is playing very well right now. The way they ran their offense against us they probably beat us even with a healthy Free.
The way this team is playing right now it's really not worth getting caught up in these what-if scenarios. Hoyas are likely to struggle with whoever we play. I personally wouldn't mind getting another shot at Syracuse, even in the 1 v 8 game. It would mean the hoyas won a game in NYC and nobody would give us a shot while a win would get serious attention.
Whatever. If we keep playing like JT3's teams tend to do down the stretch we're not even making the tournament. And on another note watching this Duke Maryland game is making me sick. Gary has that team playing great, the atmosphere is intense and the terps could well get a signature win against a likely 1 seed in March on national TV. Right now Maryland is everything we aren't - and man does it tick me off.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 3, 2010 22:51:36 GMT -5
Are people really surprised that ND won tonight? That team is playing very well right now. The way they ran their offense against us they probably beat us even with a healthy Free. The way this team is playing right now it's really not worth getting caught up in these what-if scenarios. Hoyas are likely to struggle with whoever we play. I personally wouldn't mind getting another shot at Syracuse, even in the 1 v 8 game. It would mean the hoyas won a game in NYC and nobody would give us a shot while a win would get serious attention. Whatever. If we keep playing like JT3's teams tend to do down the stretch we're not even making the tournament. And on another note watching this Duke Maryland game is making me sick. Gary has that team playing great, the atmosphere is intense and the terps could well get a signature win against a likely 1 seed in March on national TV. Right now Maryland is everything we aren't - and man does it tick me off. Not surprised ND win... completely agree they are playing their asses off. I am surprised, however, that they were able to win scoring 58. It really seems they have really improved DEFENSIVELY during their recent winning streak. Which is a further indictment of Harangody and his lack of effectiveness on the defensive end. The end of your post confuses me. During JTIII's tenure, they collapsed late in '05, finished strong in '06, finished really strong in '07, finished strong in '08 (a 5 on 8 upset in the NCAAs against the team that shall not be named nothwithstanding), tanked in '09, and the jury's still out for this year. So I think that first part's a little unfair. If you can find me a team in any past year that has finished with a top 20 RPI, #1 strength of schedule in the country and 7 wins over the RPI Top 50 that has missed the tournament, I will buy you dinner. Translation: we're not missing the tournament. Maryland's everything we aren't? I'll give you they are playing with a lot of passion and intensity right now. I'd like to see that from our guys too, that's for sure. But: a) they haven't won yet, and b) we already have that "signature win against a likely 1 seed on national TV." So let's not make them out to be world beaters. Finishing 2nd this year in the ACC is like being the smartest kid in special ed class.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2010 23:02:32 GMT -5
Are people really surprised that ND won tonight? That team is playing very well right now. The way they ran their offense against us they probably beat us even with a healthy Free. The way this team is playing right now it's really not worth getting caught up in these what-if scenarios. Hoyas are likely to struggle with whoever we play. I personally wouldn't mind getting another shot at Syracuse, even in the 1 v 8 game. It would mean the hoyas won a game in NYC and nobody would give us a shot while a win would get serious attention. Whatever. If we keep playing like JT3's teams tend to do down the stretch we're not even making the tournament. And on another note watching this Duke Maryland game is making me sick. Gary has that team playing great, the atmosphere is intense and the terps could well get a signature win against a likely 1 seed in March on national TV. Right now Maryland is everything we aren't - and man does it tick me off. Not surprised ND win... completely agree they are playing their asses off. I am surprised, however, that they were able to win scoring 58. It really seems they have really improved DEFENSIVELY during their recent winning streak. Which is a further indictment of Harangody and his lack of effectiveness on the defensive end. The end of your post confuses me. During JTIII's tenure, they collapsed late in '05, finished strong in '06, finished really strong in '07, finished strong in '08 (a 5 on 8 upset in the NCAAs against the team that shall not be named nothwithstanding), tanked in '09, and the jury's still out for this year. So I think that first part's a little unfair. If you can find me a team in any past year that has finished with a top 20 RPI, #1 strength of schedule in the country and 7 wins over the RPI Top 50 that has missed the tournament, I will buy you dinner. Translation: we're not missing the tournament. Maryland's everything we aren't? I'll give you they are playing with a lot of passion and intensity right now. I'd like to see that from our guys too, that's for sure. But: a) they haven't won yet, and b) we already have that "signature win against a likely 1 seed on national TV." So let's not make them out to be world beaters. Finishing 2nd this year in the ACC is like being the smartest kid in special ed class. on maryland, I was talking about right now. And you left out the march part - as we are painfully learning, march wins mean a lot more than January wins. Terps are now almost certainly goi g to get a higher seed than us. In general we are in better shape than Maryland (long term)though I do envy that building and consistent atmosphere. As for the comment JT3 endseason runs being unfair check out the list on the front page. The 07 and 08 seasons, great as they were, are the abberations to the norm, which is that his teams often struggle at the end of the regular season. Let's hope this is like 06 when we struggled but turned it around in postseason. If we lose to cincy and get dusted first round in NYC we are on the bubble though you're right that our SOS might sneak us in
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