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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 11, 2010 9:11:43 GMT -5
ESPN is not going to be at every game...not even every Big East game. It was there this time because you had two top fifteen teams with a recent history of noteworthy contests facing each other. And the game was being done by Vitale.
The other sources you refer to rarely even provide quotes and the individuals behind them don't get the opportunity to interview coaches and players. In fact most people behind these reports, blogs and message board posts don't even go to the games, they watch from TV or the internet. And if we want to talk about "monkeys named Reginald" (TM Tony Kornheiser Show) who can do what Hamilton did, then I must say there are probably dust mites named Paul on my keyboard who could do what many of us on the internet are doing.
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Post by bigelephant on Jan 11, 2010 9:21:26 GMT -5
the-way - You are right on all counts. This thread should go away.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 11, 2010 9:44:16 GMT -5
the-way - You are right on all counts. This thread should go away. Says "bigelephant." I sense Biscuit Basket sympathizer here. Again, two things: (1) I'm not looking for hard-hitting investigative journalism from the Post about the game. Just not so many stupid jokes directed at the team that ultimately WON THE GAME. And (2) If you're going to accept as "jokes" her barbs about the poor performance of our players and our team/coach chemistry, then why not accept as "jokes" my barbs about her Santa Clause-like shape? "The fingers you have used to type this sports story are too fat. To obtain special typing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm now." Strummer: further posts making fun of your perception of the columnist's picture and your inference about her physical form will not be tolerated. Clear?
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 11, 2010 9:57:50 GMT -5
Says "bigelephant." I sense Biscuit Basket sympathizer here. Again, two things: (1) I'm not looking for hard-hitting investigative journalism from the Post about the game. Just not so many stupid jokes directed at the team that ultimately WON THE GAME. And (2) If you're going to accept as "jokes" her barbs about the poor performance of our players and our team/coach chemistry, then why not accept as "jokes" my barbs about her Santa Clause-like shape? "The fingers you have used to type this sports story are too fat. To obtain special typing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm now." Strummer85: making JWall's acceptance to Georgetown Law less impressive since March 27, 2007.
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Post by TC on Jan 11, 2010 10:25:05 GMT -5
And (2) If you're going to accept as "jokes" her barbs about the poor performance of our players and our team/coach chemistry, then why not accept as "jokes" my barbs about her Santa Clause-like shape? Please remove this ad-hominem attack on Santa Claus.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 11, 2010 10:37:02 GMT -5
Legitimate criticism is fine but this thread is quickly devolving and strummer85's comments have clearly moved into the troll category.
Nothing more to be seen here, let's move along.
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Post by Filo on Jan 11, 2010 10:39:47 GMT -5
This is the same Strummer who posted this on a Blue and Gray thread, right? How have you not been banned from this board yet? You're the only one who comes on here with these absurd nicknames and off-topic obnoxiousness. Everyone on both sides of every issue gets along perfectly well with intelligent (or at least half-intelligent) posts. Yours don't even say anything. I have never read anything you've said and thought "Good point" because you don't even make points. And that is in stark contrast to basically every other poster on here, left, right, or center. So Strummer, we get it, you don't like the content of that column. How about moving on and maybe even showing some class and a level of maturity higher than a 4th-grader?
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Jan 11, 2010 10:46:12 GMT -5
What insight can any of you glean from this column? Really what is she doing other than rehashing history without any insight. Waste of time and space.
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Post by michiganhoya on Jan 11, 2010 10:56:00 GMT -5
Seriously, wouldn't Mrs. Claus be more appropriate?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 11, 2010 10:57:53 GMT -5
Do you people normally read the sports page? If so, can you please direct me to all these wonderful columns that are constantly full of insite? Even St. Barker's articles (and I love Barker) -- which were NEWS stories -- didn't always illuminate.
Columns are just opinion pieces.
As for those who think the internet can replace first person news, ugh. For analysis, I can somewhat agree -- like I said above, ain't a lot of groundbreaking, original analysis being done for the Least Common Denominator out there.
But none of us are getting into the locker room -- and there's no press conference without the press. I suppose some in the internet community can nurture those relationships, but I don't know why we'd willfully push away any sources.
And strummer, you're so completely wrong in this discussion that it's embarrassing. The article wasn't great but it wasn't that bad.
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Post by TC on Jan 11, 2010 10:59:21 GMT -5
Wow, this is the biggest overreaction I've ever seen about a couple of jokes about a columnist. Seriously, red admin ink? How is this at all different from the standard jokes about John Feinstein almost every week on this board since it began?
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Post by kchoya on Jan 11, 2010 11:02:20 GMT -5
ESPN is not going to be at every game...not even every Big East game. It was there this time because you had two top fifteen teams with a recent history of noteworthy contests facing each other. And the game was being done by Vitale. The other sources you refer to rarely even provide quotes and the individuals behind them don't get the opportunity to interview coaches and players. In fact most people behind these reports, blogs and message board posts don't even go to the games, they watch from TV or the internet. And if we want to talk about "monkeys named Reginald" (TM Tony Kornheiser Show) who can do what Hamilton did, then I must say there are probably dust mites named Paul on my keyboard who could do what many of us on the internet are doing. Are you getting paid six figures (I assume) to post on the internet? Also, where are these personal attacks on Liz Clarke you referred to? I don't think anyone has attacked her personally. A lot of people simply don't care for what she writes.
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Post by guru on Jan 11, 2010 11:04:54 GMT -5
ESPN is not going to be at every game...not even every Big East game. It was there this time because you had two top fifteen teams with a recent history of noteworthy contests facing each other. And the game was being done by Vitale. The other sources you refer to rarely even provide quotes and the individuals behind them don't get the opportunity to interview coaches and players. In fact most people behind these reports, blogs and message board posts don't even go to the games, they watch from TV or the internet. And if we want to talk about "monkeys named Reginald" (TM Tony Kornheiser Show) who can do what Hamilton did, then I must say there are probably dust mites named Paul on my keyboard who could do what many of us on the internet are doing. Are you getting paid six figures (I assume) to post on the internet? Also, where are these personal attacks on Liz Clarke you referred to? I don't think anyone has attacked her personally. A lot of people simply don't care for what she writes. It has long since been established that MCI gets paid by the word. So yes, six figures. High six figures.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 11, 2010 11:05:12 GMT -5
Wow, this is the biggest overreaction I've ever seen about a couple of jokes about a columnist. Seriously, red admin ink? How is this at all different from the standard jokes about John Feinstein almost every week on this board since it began? Because we all dislike Potatohead, so it's acceptable. PREEMPTIVE MOD NOTE: Stop with the name calling or this thread will be locked. Even idiots like John Feinstein deserve some respect. Actual Mod Note: You might want to familiarize yourself with this board rule "3. NO attempt to impersonate or otherwise use the name of another poster will be tolerated."
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 11, 2010 11:17:09 GMT -5
This is the same Strummer who posted this on a Blue and Gray thread, right? How have you not been banned from this board yet? You're the only one who comes on here with these absurd nicknames and off-topic obnoxiousness. Everyone on both sides of every issue gets along perfectly well with intelligent (or at least half-intelligent) posts. Yours don't even say anything. I have never read anything you've said and thought "Good point" because you don't even make points. And that is in stark contrast to basically every other poster on here, left, right, or center. So Strummer, we get it, you don't like the content of that column. How about moving on and maybe even showing some class and a level of maturity higher than a 4th-grader? Out of respect for a Mod request, I'm done with the cracks at Hamilton. But it warrants saying, first, that I'd take the maturity of a 4th-grader over the humorlessness of some excessively serious middle-aged folks any day. And second, yes that was me, specifically referring to Elvado's constant nonsense over on B&G. Yeah, I was being silly on this one thread. But it's not in the same vein as the mindless and often terribly offensive garbage that comes from Elvado constantly on every single thread over on B&G, usually in the context of a decent discussion amongst other posters. This thread was going nowhere from the start, and so I was being dumb. I'll go back to my coloring book now.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 11, 2010 11:21:15 GMT -5
Do you people normally read the sports page? If so, can you please direct me to all these wonderful columns that are constantly full of insite? Even St. Barker's articles (and I love Barker) -- which were NEWS stories -- didn't always illuminate. Columns are just opinion pieces. (SNIP) I did on Page 2 of this thread. 1. I like reading TMQ's column because he'll analyze the previous week's games using a few basic principles (never blitz, never punt) and have lots of fun digressions. Some people HATE TMQ, but they read it because he's enjoyably aggravating. 2. George Will does the same thing for politics. 3. Wilbon, as I mentioned, provides an athlete's perspective and will occasionally take strong stances. Until Tiger Woods writes an editiorial, Wilbon takes his side and annoys me and makes me want to read his next column so I can disagree with him again. Some people on this thread don't like Hamilton because of what she said. I don't like her because her columns - and there have been quite a few, on most major sports - don't say anything. She restates CW positions and isn't controversial. She, bluntly, seems like she's still a copy editor. Thus, in the greatest sin for a columnist to make, she's boring. Say that Georgetown's going to go down in flames (another great article would have been to focus on the lack of depth and argue that the Hoyas will be doomed by the start of March no matter how well they're going to do before then). Say that there are a lot of similarities between this team and the last Final Four one, and call the Hoyas a darkhorse for the Final Four - basically every single Redskins op-ed after a win. Say that the Hoyas didn't really come back, UConn just melted down and is mentally weak and will collapse in the NCAAs. Focus on the first half and say III isn't a championship-caliber coach - he'll do OK during the season, but the team is too lazy to blow people out. Ask the Hoyas about the Gilbert saga and try to tie the two together. Just do *something*. She's had five or six articles before this, not including blog posts. None of them are worth reading for any additional insight or news.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 11, 2010 11:23:21 GMT -5
In response to kc, Mr. Feinstein has 3 decades plus of anti-Georgetown writing, a situation that is decidedly different than Ms. Hamilton, who wrote her first column on the Hoyas this weekend. Discussing the column on its merits is fair game, but personally attacking a columnist is hardly the way to encourage future positive coverage of the Hoyas by her or the Post. With Mr. Feinstein, the battle was lost decades ago.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 11, 2010 11:26:59 GMT -5
Read Mike Wise's columns. Read Wilbon's columns. Read any sports columns. They all are variations of either accepting or questioning conventional wisdom (or both, illogically) with a few lame jokes thrown in. Hamilton's column is no worse or better than every other column written about Georgetown or college basketball this year. At least she didn't blindly blame the offensive system the way every ESPN columnist/commentator does at every opportunity.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 11, 2010 11:54:07 GMT -5
Read Mike Wise's columns. Read Wilbon's columns. Read any sports columns. They all are variations of either accepting or questioning conventional wisdom (or both, illogically) with a few lame jokes thrown in. Hamilton's column is no worse or better than every other column written about Georgetown or college basketball this year. At least she didn't blindly blame the offensive system the way every ESPN columnist/commentator does at every opportunity. If she's not a longtime columnist, or a long time follower of the program, I would expect some sort of different perspective or approach. To me, that's the most disappointing (I guess) aspect of the column - there's nothing new being written.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 11, 2010 12:23:04 GMT -5
Do you people normally read the sports page? If so, can you please direct me to all these wonderful columns that are constantly full of insite? Even St. Barker's articles (and I love Barker) -- which were NEWS stories -- didn't always illuminate. Columns are just opinion pieces. As for those who think the internet can replace first person news, ugh. For analysis, I can somewhat agree -- like I said above, ain't a lot of groundbreaking, original analysis being done for the Least Common Denominator out there. But none of us are getting into the locker room -- and there's no press conference without the press. I suppose some in the internet community can nurture those relationships, but I don't know why we'd willfully push away any sources. Co-sign.
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