DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 15, 2009 11:34:04 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2009 11:38:08 GMT -5
Not a good time to be without an AD.
I've never really been worried since Thompson proved himself...except for this. If the B10 takes a Big East school, some seriously large dominoes could fall.
I don't see ND going. But there's lots of other options.
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Post by Boz on Dec 15, 2009 11:39:01 GMT -5
DFW, did you just move your own thread. Man, the admins are tough!!
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It won't ever happen, but ND should be in the Big 10 of course.
(I would like it if we got PSU as compensation, but that'll never happen either.
Surprised no one mentioned Cincinnati. That would seem to me to be the BE school that is the best fit.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 15, 2009 11:39:51 GMT -5
I vote for BenedictArnold College. They've got experience in deserting their brethren.
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Post by FewFAC on Dec 15, 2009 11:43:57 GMT -5
Cincy was mentioned in the article. Louisville might be a good fit, and I don't think I'd be too sad about seeing Rutgers go. But don't we already have a Big12?
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Post by tarkman on Dec 15, 2009 11:45:42 GMT -5
Early in September, Syracuse played Penn State in football and at the time Joe Paterno was quoted as saying he was lobbying either Pittsburgh or Syracuse to join the Big Ten. Can't see it hapening, but we'll wait and see ...
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Post by ksf42001 on Dec 15, 2009 11:45:52 GMT -5
If they stole a BE school, who would be the likely options to replace them?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2009 11:47:16 GMT -5
Memphis. I've heard East Carolina as well. Central Florida.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 15, 2009 11:47:24 GMT -5
How big of a threat is this really? How tempted will big east teams be to jump? The team most willing to jump: rutgers seems to be the least desirable to the big 10.
Nova's in the IAA championship game how far off are they from moving up to IA?
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Post by Jack on Dec 15, 2009 11:47:38 GMT -5
Please take Rutgers, or better yet raid the Big 12. The worst case scenario is ND going, as it unbalances the football members and the non-football members. Next would be Syracuse, followed by Pitt for the damage it does to the basketball brand. UConn seems highly unlikely but would also be very bad, then all the other football schools are replaceable with some other geographically incongruous mid-major (UCF, ECU, Memphis, etc.). Adding Missouri is the way to go, then watch the dominoes fall out west as TCU goes to the Big 12 and the PAC 10 takes on Utah and BYU.
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Post by sweetness on Dec 15, 2009 11:49:34 GMT -5
It's unbelievable how conferences just feel like they can raid other conferences; also crazy how disloyal schools can be. More specifically, I am losing some respect for JoePa.
Having said that, for those closer to the football situation who would the Big East look to pick up as a replacement? Memphis? If we did a pure swap of either Louisville, Cincy, or Rutgers for Memphis I personally would not lose sleep over it form a hoops standpoint. However losing Cuse or Pitt would stink.
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Post by ksf42001 on Dec 15, 2009 11:53:31 GMT -5
Please take Rutgers, or better yet raid the Big 12. The worst case scenario is ND going, as it unbalances the football members and the non-football members. Next would be Syracuse, followed by Pitt for the damage it does to the basketball brand. UConn seems highly unlikely but would also be very bad, then all the other football schools are replaceable with some other geographically incongruous mid-major (UCF, ECU, Memphis, etc.). Adding Missouri is the way to go, then watch the dominoes fall out west as TCU goes to the Big 12 and the PAC 10 takes on Utah and BYU. I actually think losing ND would be the best case scenario, since there seems to be a lot more possibilities in terms of basketball-only schools as replacements than basketball/football schools. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 15, 2009 11:58:26 GMT -5
Please take Rutgers, or better yet raid the Big 12. The worst case scenario is ND going, as it unbalances the football members and the non-football members. Next would be Syracuse, followed by Pitt for the damage it does to the basketball brand. UConn seems highly unlikely but would also be very bad, then all the other football schools are replaceable with some other geographically incongruous mid-major (UCF, ECU, Memphis, etc.). Adding Missouri is the way to go, then watch the dominoes fall out west as TCU goes to the Big 12 and the PAC 10 takes on Utah and BYU. I actually think losing ND would be the best case scenario, since there seems to be a lot more possibilities in terms of basketball-only schools as replacements than basketball/football schools. Except that's not what will happen- the football members will have more votes and will want to add another football member, with their own eventual goal of creating a conference championship game for the Big East, too. And which non-FBS school is that is really a much better option than one of the aforementioned Conference USA flotsam and jetsam? Adding another team from an existing market (e.g. St. Joe's or Xavier) doesn't make sense, and the only open logical Big East market at this point (Boston) doesn't have a team ready for prime time. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 15, 2009 12:04:15 GMT -5
Because of the research role of the CIC (the B10 plus former member Chicago), the Big Ten will not take a school that does not belong to the AAU, so that eliminates UC and Louisville. Of course, Notre Dame is not in the AAU, but I think that ship may have sailed. (Sidebar: Is Georgetown a candidate for the AAU?)
The two most likely Big East schools are Pitt (geography w/Penn St.) and Rutgers (TV market). Syracuse is in AAU but the school may be too small to effectively compete as a private school; i.e., the Carrier Dome would be the second smallest football facility in the league.
The two most likely outside the Big East are Missouri (geography) and Nebraska (football). The ND message board suggested the University of Toronto as a wild card, but that's not likely.
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Post by hoyaalf on Dec 15, 2009 12:13:34 GMT -5
Providence College surely!
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 15, 2009 12:16:17 GMT -5
Lots of options for the Big "can we still call it Ten once we expand to twelve teams?"
Let's assume this move would result in two six-team divisions and a championship game, a la the Big 12. And let's throw business sense (like picking up the NYC market) out the window, and assume these leagues must be equitably divided geographically into East and West divisions. Here's the breakdown:
EAST: Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Purdue, Michigan, Indiana
WEST: Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, TEAM X.
Geographically, it makes more sense to expand west. Candidates from the Big 12 could be: Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State, and Kansas.
As I indicated above, money is likely to drive expansion more than geography. But try to split the divisions anywhere besides the Illinois-Indiana state line, and member schools will bitch and moan. Try telling IU, for example, that its game vs. Purdue should no longer be an annual contest.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2009 12:18:27 GMT -5
Pitt makes a lot of sense.
Do people in Big Ten country realize no one gives about Rutgers anything? I always laugh when I see that. They are in Eastern markets, but no one watches.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 15, 2009 12:22:02 GMT -5
Pitt makes a lot of sense. Do people in Big Ten country realize no one gives about Rutgers anything? I always laugh when I see that. They are in Eastern markets, but no one watches. That's an understatement. Some may recall the slight ribbing that Rutgers received in the Jimmy V ESPY speech. That says something right there. |
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Post by vcjack on Dec 15, 2009 12:23:11 GMT -5
Cincy was mentioned in the article. Louisville might be a good fit, and I don't think I'd be too sad about seeing Rutgers go. But don't we already have a Big12? Cincy doesn't have the academics* and adding a second Ohio team isn't going to do anything for the conference. That would just be a "adding a team for the sake of adding a team" move and Iowa State would be a more logical choice if that's what the Chicago people wanted to do. I do like watching Rutgers fans light up with excitement that this is their big chance. Joining an incredibly top heavy conference won't give as many opportunities as they'd like to think. *academics =/= undergrad academics (which most Big Ten schools don't really care about) but research institutions. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2009 12:31:08 GMT -5
BE teams don't realize that opportunity they have. Having a weak conference means schools like Cincy and Pitt have shots at BCS bowls. That won't happen when you're in with OSU, Michigan, Penn State, etc. Even though the B10 isn't all that good, one of those schools is almost always better than you.
There's a lot of money in a championship game.
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