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Post by hoyawatcher on Dec 15, 2009 14:12:00 GMT -5
I seem to recall that Boeheim's reluctance and resulting Syracuse foot dragging gave the time for Fox to change the dynamics of the ACC presidents - thus giving the VA governor/legislature the chance to ramrod VT into the ACC. but that is really a nit in the discussion this time.
Every thing I have heard/read is that this is a power play to force ND's hand to come into the Big 10 now. Anything else is secondary. Whether the Big 10 would actually take someone below ND is debatable.
IMHO ND leaving is actually easier to manage than Pitt or Rutgers or any of the FB schools. Though the olympic sports competitive level would take a major hit. I am not sure why you would replace ND for BB purposes. Huge BB conference already and no 12 team championship type of rule anyway. Just one less BB mouth to feed.
If it does come to another FB school (hope not) and folks start to look at ECU vs. UCF - go UCF all the way. NC is not a great FB prospect producing state and ECU is at best the 4th option in the state - and that is only because they currently have a good coach who is looking to get out. While UCF would be a second tier school in the state of FL it is poised to get a ton more talent in that role than ECU is in NC.
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Post by fsohoya on Dec 15, 2009 14:20:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the BE could get back Temple w/o hoops, upgrade Nova football, add ND as a football member, bring in Memphis, boot DePaul, then play a football championship and keep hoops together.
Probably not.
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Post by Boz on Dec 15, 2009 14:45:49 GMT -5
If NBC was smart, they would nudge ND in the direction of joining the conference.
Yes, the ND home games are still a cash cow for NBC, but I can't imagine the value of that contract would be anywhere near the value of an exclusive (or semi-exclusive) contract with the Big 10 for football games.
ND would still get their games televised. NBC could also show a noon game every Saturday, and add a prime time Big Ten game (ND or otherwise) and not cede all the ratings to ABC at night.
I know there are existing TV deals with ESPN and the Big Ten Network, but I still say that this could be done.
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Post by Big Dog on Dec 15, 2009 17:05:46 GMT -5
Clearly the best way to protect Georgetown's interest in maintaining a strong and relevant conference affiliation is to whip the football program into shape. Big East Football 2012--We're taking it up a notch!
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Dec 15, 2009 17:34:55 GMT -5
The mostly likely addition to the Big 10 is Missouri. Then the dominos will fall......Arkansas will return to the southwest or perhaps Houston U. If Arkansas jump, they would be replaced with perhaps Clemson.
Hot rumor - South Florida to ACC. Boston College returns to Big East.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 15, 2009 17:45:19 GMT -5
Clearly the best way to protect Georgetown's interest in maintaining a strong and relevant conference affiliation is to whip the football program into shape. Big East Football 2012--We're taking it up a notch! Not.....Gonna......Happen
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 15, 2009 19:20:27 GMT -5
it's going to be either missouri or pitt.
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Post by whatmaroon on Dec 15, 2009 21:47:40 GMT -5
This reads to me like an ND-related power play. Yes, their TV contract runs out in 2015, and they won't want to give that up, but that's in line with the established timetable for the B10 to be adding a new member-PSU was announced as the 11th member in 1987 or '88 and started football in 1994.
I mentioned this in a prior thread, but most of the names being bandied about don't make much sense unless the B10 has now decided they want to add a 12th member for the sake of adding a 12th member, which they could've done at any point during the last 18 years or so. Pitt would be adding a 12th team for the sake of adding a 12th team-PSU is the #1 player in both PA markets. Rutgers and Missouri are the two schools that seem like the best fits, but, really, this is about ND.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 16, 2009 7:21:51 GMT -5
pitt would be a logical choice because of the penn state factor. psu has had the middle child complex since they came into the league. this would give them another school in the same region and they are bitter rivals that haven't played since 2000. they fit much better than rutgers.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 16, 2009 9:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Dec 16, 2009 11:22:55 GMT -5
The only team that makes perfect sense is Notre Dame. Yes, I know they are BE in hoops, and Big "10" is a step down in that regard. Bt remember, football is the cash cow. The obvious hold up is ND's contract with NBC and their reluctance to divy up those revenues among some 11 other teams. But hopefully, some investers will belly up to the bar and raise the stakes overall enough so that the individual perks which ND receives -- and shouldn't in my opinion -- will be offset, at least for the most part.
If a Pitt or Missouri join however, that will just start another major realignment. IMO, not now. I am just getting used to these "new" conferences, and it's been nearly a decade.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 16, 2009 13:06:38 GMT -5
Why would ND go to the Big 10?
I realize that they are no longer as relevant as before. But going to the Big 10 accelerates the decline. They are still a media spectacle, still recruit well, and still play a ton of rivalry games.
They still get top notch bowl games when they are good and choose to go. Their share of the B10 network and BCS Bowl money isn't going to sniff the NBC contract.
What are the Irish getting out of this? They already play 1/3 of the B10 OOC.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Dec 16, 2009 13:25:08 GMT -5
ND isn't going to the Big 10 unless NBC is whispering bad tidings of no more contract to them. Or that NBC has some agenda that they want to get the primary Big 10 contract and getting ND in there is part of the plan? (speculation and I don't know when the current contract is up). Big 10 has to be looking at the ACC right now as they are in the middle of negotiating their new contract after the SEC bombshell. ACC is looking at either being second fiddle on ESPN/ABC or taking an alternative pathway such as Fox, etc. Big 10 has to be looking at this. Also has implications for BE BB as if the ACC were to go with Fox then ESPN will want to go wall to wall with BE basketball to fill the winter months. Sure not going to fill that time with Miss vs. Auburn basketball BTW - I wish ND had to be "good" to go to a BCS bowl game but that is an entirely different thread.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 16, 2009 14:52:22 GMT -5
There may be something to no NBC contract -- NBC is being sold to Comcast, so new ownership may have ideas.
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Post by kghoya on Dec 16, 2009 17:34:49 GMT -5
BTW - I wish ND had to be "good" to go to a BCS bowl game but that is an entirely different thread. unless its the bcs title game, it doesnt really matter does it? i mean bcs games matter so much brian kelly just bailed on one with an udefeated team
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Dec 16, 2009 17:55:55 GMT -5
If the Big 10 want to move eastward. Rutgers is the most practical. New York market.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 17, 2009 20:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Dec 17, 2009 21:34:01 GMT -5
Dixon is right. And it would suck for the Pitt football team to move from competing against Cincy and WV and USF for a BE title to competing against OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, etc for a big 10(12?) title. Pitt could win the BE in the next few years, but i doubt it could win the big 10 in a decade
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Post by BigMike on Dec 17, 2009 22:06:28 GMT -5
Way to go Jaime!! Tell it like it is. Time for the Big East to stand together. We could use Boeheim, Calhoun and Pitino to speak up as well.
I do disagree about Pitt winning the Big 10 - while in terms of money the BE is not close to the Big 10 in football - the quality of football in the BE has been equal to the quality of football in the Big 10 since Louisville/USF/Cincy were added.
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Post by FewFAC on Dec 17, 2009 22:27:38 GMT -5
ND still saying no. LinkDidn't realize ND's exclusive NBC deal is such a relative pittance compared to major BCS conferences these days, but it's not like the product deserves more. The Big 14 and Big 16 talk, though, is borderline ridiculous unless they're gonna take Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Kentucky.
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