SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2010 16:30:07 GMT -5
Once again, richfame completely not understanding the meaning of words. For example: potential.
Production DNE potential. Stop propping up straw men for your own agenda.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 2, 2010 16:47:59 GMT -5
How about we all get off Henry's back?
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Post by guru on Feb 2, 2010 16:55:24 GMT -5
TAS -- Where do you see the potential? I mean lets look at this objectively if we can. ATTITUDE- I agree he seems to be into the games and roots his team on with vigor. Problem is ,this attribute solely does not transulate into a solid player. Sims had every opportunity to blossom into a solid player this year. Coach game him ample minutes this year toprove himself and the reality of the sitution is he did NOT take advange of this. If you dont produce you sit, its as easy as that. Problem is in my mind his not making the improvements necessary to get on the court. NOw in reality this is not a big deal at all. Jerelly and HOlis have been able to get on the court and give us solid minutes. We see the improvements in hollis every game. Even when his shot was not falling you knew in time it would. The kid is a player. Jerelle gives us toughness, and rebounding, he has his role. I did not re kindle this thread, but TAS you have to start to accept, being a cheerleader is not good enoughto get it done come Big East schedule , Sorry.... Seriously, man, your point has been made on this issue. And made. And made. And made. Everyone knows what you think of this player. I guess you just enjoy being vigilant about trashing him after even the most tepid positive posts about him. Your obsession with Sims borders on the creepy.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Feb 2, 2010 17:27:26 GMT -5
Creepy is the same posters repeatedly saying "Oh dont worry about Henry, he is improving. Hes has such a great attitude and a world of potential.
Id be happy to never talk about it again, Its really an irrelevant issue anyways. Ill be the first one to be happy for the player when he dribbles the ball and makes a shot.
Potential only goes so far ya know, He had potential as a frosh, and he has potential as a soph. But if his hard work doesnt come to fruition soon im afraid the recruits coming in and our current frosh are really going to pass him by and minutes may become limited.. thats all...
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2010 18:03:56 GMT -5
Id be happy to never talk about it again, Then don't. No one is making you.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 2, 2010 21:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by biggmanu on Feb 2, 2010 21:57:48 GMT -5
Henry is definitely a fan favorite and the team noticably loves him. I still have faith in you Henry to become a great gtown defender/shot blocker and a secret weapon on offense.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 4, 2010 10:58:25 GMT -5
Dude, I know HANK may not have the best grasp of the "system" and may be out of position on defense on occasion, but I. Just. Don't. Understand. Why. He. Sees. NO. Minutes. I am not as enamored with Bennimonster as some of you and Henry has FIVE inches on him...I understand that Benny is a banger at heart and Sims has more of a preference as a wing, but he has shown that he can swat shots and bang when necessary. Benny makes his share of mistakes with the turnovers and NOT to be overlooked when he totally got taken out on a back screen allowing for that back-breaking alley-oop dunk late in the second half. I don't mean to pit Benny v. Hank or put down benny, but sometimes i struggle to see the benefits of the current setup.
I guess it may all go back to the fact that to run JTIII's system, not only do you have to understand the basic principles, you have to have a certain degree of comfort with your teammates since a lot of it is instinctual. Playing too big a rotation can throw that off since that type of chemistry isn't easily attainable when you juggle too many lineup combinations...I dunno, I just have a soft spot in my heart for HANK and want to see him contributing and in a GU uniform for the next two years...you can't teach 6'11!!!
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 4, 2010 11:02:39 GMT -5
The solution is to bring in the second team as a whole for two minutes in each half. That gets everyone playing four minutes and all the starters 4 minutes rest. I realise that the team doesn't execute without Chris in there, but we need to gived Vee a chance with the people he practices with each day.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 4, 2010 11:04:18 GMT -5
I havent been reading this thread, and dont intend to now, but i think that i can get the unproductive gist of it.
All i want to add is that there are other reasons why a player may not be playing other than athletic performance. ****I am not trying to start rumors and dont have any inside information and am only speaking generally.**** Just consider that there maybe other reasons he is not playing than his on court performance.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 4, 2010 11:10:51 GMT -5
I am totally with you, guys. I guess you take the good and the bad with the system. When it is understood and when it works, it is close to flawless, but the downside is, it is takes time to learn it, so much so that we still have sophmores sitting on the bench FOR 40 MINUTES! Look, i dont want to get into a huge philosophical debates, but in today's world, sophmores dont sit on the bench for 40 minutes. i am sorry, call it like it is, but what do you think happens when junior year rolls around and sophmore schollies are sitting on the bench?
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Post by damnhoya on Feb 4, 2010 11:21:32 GMT -5
I'm a supporter of Henry (and I hope it's just a matter of time) but to me, his non-playing is not the problem right now up front. I really believe (and I posted this is the USF post-game) discussion, Vaughn's playing time is the problem. He should be out there a lot more than 20 minutes while the rest of the starters are playing between 35-40 minutes. Doesn't make sense to me. He is light years ahead of Jerrelle (and I also like what Jerrelle has done as a freshman) but for some reason, JTIII is enamored with what Jerrelle brings to the table (he is the first off the bench now and plays the most). Vaughn is better both defensively and more importantly, offensively. He should be playing 30 minutes a game unless he is (a) hurt or (b) tired. Without looking at the stat sheet, the past 3 or 4 games, I've been asking myself why Vaughn was playing so little minutes as a I watched our games. I don't know what his minutes were for the past 3 or 4 games (except I know he only played 20 minutes last night) but it's a trend I don't like.
I like some spurts Henry has had playing alongside Greg (particularly last year) but whether it's Henry or Jerrelle out there doesn't change the outcome of the game at USF (or probably anybody else). Having Vaughn out there more, however...
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 4, 2010 11:35:26 GMT -5
Vaughn disappeared for a long stretch yesterday, and when I returned I noticed his knee-brace more prominently. I don't know if he was just winded or if he took a hard shot (USF looked like a charter BE member last night, brutal play) but since Vaughn was back in for the rest of the way, I think it was a tactical issue more than any kind of a strategic decision on III's part.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 4, 2010 12:18:55 GMT -5
damnhoya, Julian's playing time is a function of his lung capacity. He won't see more than 26-28 minutes a game. Do you notice around the 7 minute mark, he goes out?
Ride Julian to Indy
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Post by mapei on Feb 4, 2010 13:33:42 GMT -5
Nothing more than speculation on my part, but sophomores who believe they have talent and don't get PT end up being transfers. I hope we are prepared to lose two of our bigs after this season. We could end up keeping both, or one, but I don't think we can count on it.
I agree with all the rest about being puzzled that Julian's minutes have been reduced. I think he has been terrific this year.
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Post by guru on Feb 4, 2010 13:41:56 GMT -5
Nothing more than speculation on my part, but sophomores who believe they have talent and don't get PT end up being transfers. I hope we are prepared to lose two of our bigs after this season. We could end up keeping both, or one, but I don't think we can count on it. I agree with all the rest about being puzzled that Julian's minutes have been reduced. I think he has been terrific this year. Sims is not a transfer possibility. Think Tyler Crawford - he absolutely loves Georgetown and is popular with all his teammates. I think it's safe to say his lack of playing time causes more of a stir on this board than it does in the locker room. That said, I'd like to see him get on the court more this season. Right now I don't see how we overcome foul trouble to any of the big 3, but especially to Greg. And foul trouble is inevitable at some point in the postseason.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 4, 2010 15:26:35 GMT -5
Nothing more than speculation on my part, but sophomores who believe they have talent and don't get PT end up being transfers. I hope we are prepared to lose two of our bigs after this season. We could end up keeping both, or one, but I don't think we can count on it. I agree with all the rest about being puzzled that Julian's minutes have been reduced. I think he has been terrific this year. I know this is juist a fan forum, but maybe we can at least wait until the season is over before the rampant speculation begins? Young sophs who still need to develop physically as well as maturity-wise often stay around for the ride - and for the education.
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Post by damnhoya on Feb 4, 2010 16:47:05 GMT -5
skyhoya, I disagree with you to a certain extent about Julian seeing no more than 26-28 minutes a game. He's played more than that in 3 Big East games (31 minutes against UConn, Seton Hall and Pitt). We won all 3 of those games (not necessarily saying we win when Julian plays 30 minutes or more but I know he is capable of it and I know we are a better team when he is on the floor). I agree that Julian isn't in the best shape and can't run out there as long as some of our other guys but he shouldn't be playing 20 minutes in a Big East game unless we are crushing an opponent. My second problem (again, I like Jerrelle) is that more and more of his minutes are being eaten up by Jerrelle instead of Hollis (which I realize makes us weak on the inside but Hollis is at least a threat to take a shot - notwithstanding his shooting slump from a while back). I would give Hollis more minutes. You don't really need to be a hoops expert to realize we play much better with Julian on the floor.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 4, 2010 17:11:57 GMT -5
Nothing more than speculation on my part, but sophomores who believe they have talent and don't get PT end up being transfers. I hope we are prepared to lose two of our bigs after this season. We could end up keeping both, or one, but I don't think we can count on it. I agree with all the rest about being puzzled that Julian's minutes have been reduced. I think he has been terrific this year. So wait, you think there is a possibility that Julian will transfer? Despite the fact that he's a starter, gets 20+ minutes a game, will be a starter next year AND ALREADY TRANSFERRED (to be near his sick mother!)?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2010 18:08:23 GMT -5
Julian is a junior. We have two sophomore bigs, but one of them is Monroe. I'm confused.
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