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Post by cdnhoya on Jan 21, 2010 8:16:16 GMT -5
unfortunately, i do remember his minutes. he watched mcghee throw down two huge dunks on back to back plays. i'm not saying it was his bad D that caused the breakdown allowing the dunks (this was covered in another thread), but he was the closest guy to mcghee when he was dunking. instead of two hard fouls, he was a spectator for two big dunks. i doubt mcghee hits all 4 FTs if fouled...
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Post by Elvado on Jan 21, 2010 10:07:10 GMT -5
Talking to Paranoia2 during the game, the following question was asked:
What do you think Henry's "plus/minus" is this year?
With no statistical back up, my guess is he is minus 100.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 21, 2010 10:23:02 GMT -5
Let's not give up on Henry. He seems to be very supportive of the guys on the floor, he is still very young, and he does have some athletic ability. Hopefully he keeps workng and can contribute a little in the weeks to come. If not, hopefully he sticks with it, gets stronger and pulls things together for next season.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2010 10:24:51 GMT -5
Henry's raw +/- is 44 (before last night; last night he was -7). His net/40 +/- is +5.4 but -4.7 in conference play.
The net/40 compares Henry on the floor versus other lineups -- of course, the issue is that Henry has played less than 40 conference minutes and many of those are without Greg on the floor.
He certainly hasn't played well, but as I illustrated a few weeks ago, he's not nearly as bad as people make out.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 21, 2010 11:33:32 GMT -5
SFHoya99 made a good point about last night's game here:
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Post by hoyaalf on Feb 1, 2010 16:03:59 GMT -5
Any further thoughts on Henry given lack of p/t during Duke game?
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 1, 2010 16:22:39 GMT -5
jerrelle is getting all of henry's minutes....can't blame III for that.
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Post by wahoohoya on Feb 1, 2010 16:22:59 GMT -5
Would have loved to see Henry get in the game, but not really bothered that he didn't. As others have said, I think the rotation is pretty much set at this point. He might get a few minutes here and there, but I don't see him making any meaningful contribution this year in games that matter - at least on the court, that is. I love his enthusiasm on the bench. And I love his role as the "greeter" of the starters as they get introduced. He clearly helps with the overall chemistry of the team and hopefully his isn't too down on himself for his lack of p/t.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 1, 2010 16:31:05 GMT -5
Any further thoughts on Henry given lack of p/t during Duke game? Not really. Benimon has taken Sims' minutes, and brings more to the table at this point with his rebounding and hustle. Benimon is also a surprisingly solid FT shooter so far. That said, FWIW, Sims won the "Patrick Ewing Junior Award for Being a Great Teammate" from the folks at the Casual Hoya blog. Apparently he seemed in high spirits during the game, even though he wasn't playing. www.casualhoya.com/2010/2/1/1286143/the-casual-awards-the-devils-wentI think perhaps a better comparison for Sims is Tyler Crawford, a great teammate repeatedly praised by JT III and teammates but didn't get much playing time. Now, I think Sims has better overall skills and can eventually work his way into the regular rotation - maybe not this year, but then again you never know when we might need him. I just hope that he keeps his head up, stays positive, remains a great teammate, and works on his game so he can eventually contribute a little more to this team.
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Post by Dhall on Feb 1, 2010 16:32:34 GMT -5
I've always been a big Henry supporter and I hope he turns the corner for us next year, but I think each of Greg, Julian and Jerrelle have plenty to work on in their respective games and at this point it makes sense to rotate those three guys for all of the PF/C minutes. It would be a very unlikely scenario where two of them foul out of a game, so every extra minute that they get will be more useful than giving those minutes to Henry for the remainder of this season.
Henry will have an opportunity next year if Greg leaves early and the following year when Julian is gone. Hopefully, he will try to keep improving and ensure that he is getting the most out of his time in the classroom. Seems like a good kid by watching his facial expressions, etc. on the sideline. If his primary goal is to get a guaranteed amount of minutes, he'll likely be considering a year off and moving on to a place where he won't be competing against Greg, Julian, Jerrelle and Lubick (at least).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 1, 2010 16:34:51 GMT -5
Sims in 8th in the rotation.
Duke is a horrible matchup for him, since Singler or someone even smaller is playing PF most of the time.
It wasn't really unexpected that he didn't have minutes.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 1, 2010 16:39:08 GMT -5
I think that what we see of Henry's attidtude says alot about him - he stays positive and supports his teammates even though he would certainly love more PT. He is so young, and still needs to develop physically to play in this conference - another year of hitting the weights and playing against the bigs in practice hopefully will make him a meaningful contributor next year, and anything we might get when and if we need him this season will be a bonus. Keep your head up, keep working hard and good things will come.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 1, 2010 17:19:29 GMT -5
If we see an improvement in performance from Henry anywhere closer to what Julian gave us this year, then we're looking at a strong frontcourt next season even without Greg, and one of the top 2-3 in the country if Monroe is back.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 1, 2010 17:52:54 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind in light of the Duke game. Roy Hibbert played 12 minutes against Duke in 2006. Now, he was clearly better than Sims is now, but this is just to say that we cannot and should not give up on him. He'll need a good summer as THB says, and there is at least some reason to hope given his athletic ability.
In the meantime, Benimon has earned the available minutes.
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Post by nynick on Feb 2, 2010 9:18:30 GMT -5
I didn't go back and read all 11 pages, so maybe this was discussed already (I don't post all that often, as you can see). Anyway, it looks from the stats (either Pomeroy or Hoya Prospectus), that Sims and Benimon have pretty similar offensive ratings. Sims has done a bit better on rebounding and turnovers. The big difference it seems is in % of posessions used. Sims uses a lot more. Given that they're both at the low end of the players who actually see playing time. Is that the biggest advantage that Benimon has over Sims? He knows to get out of the way on the offensive end and let the higher efficiency guys use more posessions?
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 2, 2010 9:45:44 GMT -5
I didn't go back and read all 11 pages, so maybe this was discussed already (I don't post all that often, as you can see). Anyway, it looks from the stats (either Pomeroy or Hoya Prospectus), that Sims and Benimon have pretty similar offensive ratings. Sims has done a bit better on rebounding and turnovers. The big difference it seems is in % of posessions used. Sims uses a lot more. Given that they're both at the low end of the players who actually see playing time. Is that the biggest advantage that Benimon has over Sims? He knows to get out of the way on the offensive end and let the higher efficiency guys use more posessions? I would say the stats are mis-leading because Benimon has seen the majority of his minutes in BE competition (due to an early season injury) while Sims's numbers are against the non-conf opponents. It says a lot that we get the same production from Benimon against much stronger competition. Also, I think you hit on something, Benimon can be a conduit on offense for the other players, I am not sure Henry was able to do that during his minutes. Also, Benimon is just a better position defender, that cannot be argued. Sometimes that is all you need from your 7th man. I still see Sims as a player that will be a valuable contributor in the next 2 seasons. He simply is not ready for BE play. I am not sure why Benimon is, perhaps he was the leader on his HS team and that allows him to be more composed for the pressures of playing BE basketball. The fact is I am grateful we found Benimon and that it eased the pressure being placed on Henry. I have no doubt Sims will be a player for us in the next two seasons, but right now, he is still in the learning phase.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 2, 2010 10:44:48 GMT -5
Benimon is still a bit of a liability on O and I wouldn't expect that to change this year. Henry will get his time and when he does I feel like he'll explode on the scene. Or system is the perfect fit for him and he just needs to hang in there.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 2, 2010 11:18:06 GMT -5
Henry will be fine. He's just not there yet. I love his attitude and enthusiasm. Those coupled with hard work and a meal plan and he's going to be just fine. It can't be easy for him to not be getting the PT he'd like, but it seems like all of the guys are pulling for him and he for them. That can't be anything but good news for the Hoyas. I think most kids know that they need to improve coming into the Big East in order to get minutes. That, necessarily, is going to require some bench time. Some kids get in the game quicker than others. No big deal as long as the kid still realizes that he's part of a team and, as he improves, he'll gain his time.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 2, 2010 11:53:34 GMT -5
henry is coming ITS FEBRUARY and he willl be MEAN NOW just watch
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Post by richfame on Feb 2, 2010 15:50:02 GMT -5
TAS -- Where do you see the potential? I mean lets look at this objectively if we can.
ATTITUDE- I agree he seems to be into the games and roots his team on with vigor. Problem is ,this attribute solely does not transulate into a solid player.
Sims had every opportunity to blossom into a solid player this year. Coach game him ample minutes this year toprove himself and the reality of the sitution is he did NOT take advange of this. If you dont produce you sit, its as easy as that.
Problem is in my mind his not making the improvements necessary to get on the court. NOw in reality this is not a big deal at all. Jerelly and HOlis have been able to get on the court and give us solid minutes. We see the improvements in hollis every game. Even when his shot was not falling you knew in time it would. The kid is a player. Jerelle gives us toughness, and rebounding, he has his role.
I did not re kindle this thread, but TAS you have to start to accept, being a cheerleader is not good enoughto get it done come Big East schedule , Sorry....
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