Boz
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Post by Boz on Jun 10, 2011 15:52:28 GMT -5
So sensitive on a Friday afternoon.
You want to call Sarah Palin a blithering idiot, that's fine with me.
But if you hold that opinion and don't consider Joe Biden to be an equally blithering idiot, that's not a very credible position. All I'm sayin'.
(Though I guess one of those gaffes was Obama's, not Biden's. Sorry, he's got so many to choose from, I lose track.)
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 10, 2011 18:48:23 GMT -5
Yup. I'll never forget when Sarah Palin told us how many states we had or about how important FDR's televised fireside chats were to the country. Oh, wait...... ;D Yes, because clearly misspeaking is the same thing as making up a false historical event, having your supporters try to edit the wikipedia page for it, and then insisting days later that you were correct all along. Some historians say Sarah's statements are historically correct. Aside from that, for those of you on the left, don't you think it's unethical for so-called newspapers to search for problems for Palin while not doing the same for other potential Democratic and Republican candidates?
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Post by ksf42001 on Jun 10, 2011 18:57:09 GMT -5
Yes, because clearly misspeaking is the same thing as making up a false historical event, having your supporters try to edit the wikipedia page for it, and then insisting days later that you were correct all along. Some historians say Sarah's statements are historically correct. Aside from that, for those of you on the left, don't you think it's unethical for so-called newspapers to search for problems for Palin while not doing the same for other potential Democratic and Republican candidates? I'm not really "on the left", but just because you think that's the case doesn't mean that's what's actually happening. Do you really think Romney or Gingrich aren't being held to account for their actions/words?
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 10, 2011 21:37:32 GMT -5
Yes, because clearly misspeaking is the same thing as making up a false historical event, having your supporters try to edit the wikipedia page for it, and then insisting days later that you were correct all along. Some historians say Sarah's statements are historically correct. Aside from that, for those of you on the left, don't you think it's unethical for so-called newspapers to search for problems for Palin while not doing the same for other potential Democratic and Republican candidates? As I said before, I agree that the media should spend its time looking into potential candidates and other political figures who are relevant and maybe have a chance of winning an election someday. It seems like a miserable waste of time to troll the emails of a former half-term governor on a bus tour. Now I'm not sure what "historians" you're talking about, but everything I've seen has said that, yes, Revere did tell the British that he had alerted colonists. But that was only after he was captured at the end of the ride. There's no mention of his firing warning shots, ringing bells, or (most absurd of all) telling the British that they will never take our arms. As much as we'd all like to imagine Paul Revere doing his best Charlton Heston imitation, I don't think that actually happened.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 11, 2011 1:18:41 GMT -5
You think that one day they may do the same to Obama? No. Obama doesn't drive traffic to news websites like Palin does. However, I seem to recall he had a similar effect on the American electorate at the polls in 2008. This was the biggest non-story of the month, but that hasn't stopped the media from trying to cash in. Now WaPo staffers are tweeting that the redactions say more than anything (when, in fact, redactions can't say anything), despite the fact that almost nothing salient was found in the e-mails. Give me a break.
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Post by Boz on Jun 11, 2011 1:31:10 GMT -5
Can someone name a really good political reporter who works for a major newspaper anymore?
Not columnist, an actual journalist who writes solid, objective news stories. I'm guessing there are still a few, but for the life of me, I can't come up with anyone.
Sort of makes sense, this pathetic cattle call from the WP and the NYT, when you think about it.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 12, 2011 12:06:53 GMT -5
I think there's no doubt that political journalism in the major newspapers has deteriorated, but I also think it is a function of expectations. In this thread, there seems to be discussion of things that they should be covering (or positions they should be taking), when they really can't. This is the classic birther example - the journalists could not report that Obama is a Kenyan because he isn't (and it was never a subject of reasonable debate), and they could not report that he was a disciple of Professor Ayers, when he isn't (again, not a topic of reasonable debate).
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Post by TC on Jun 13, 2011 8:03:44 GMT -5
Can someone name a really good political reporter who works for a major newspaper anymore? Not columnist, an actual journalist who writes solid, objective news stories. When did this mythical beast ever exist? I don't see anything wrong with "crowdsourcing".
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2011 8:05:55 GMT -5
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 13, 2011 8:46:32 GMT -5
" . . . Mrs Palin writes from the voice of God . . ." Stopped reading.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2011 13:05:21 GMT -5
" . . . Mrs Palin writes from the voice of God . . ." Stopped reading. Maybe you should continue reading. And that goes for anyone who thinks she's an airhead.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 13, 2011 13:33:48 GMT -5
Thinks she's an airhead? She confirms this every time she opens her mouth.
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Post by ksf42001 on Jun 13, 2011 13:37:12 GMT -5
" . . . Mrs Palin writes from the voice of God . . ." Stopped reading. Maybe you should continue reading. And that goes for anyone who thinks she's an airhead. Just read it. I'm confused what great revelation I'm supposed to be getting from this...
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 13, 2011 14:01:57 GMT -5
OK, Ed, I'll keep going.
"Some will think Trig should not be allowed to be born, because they fear a Down's child won't be considered 'perfect' in your world."
Absurdly gross mischaracterization of pro-choice position. Stopped reading again.
My take-away: In her personal life, Sarah Palin is not a soul-less, heartless woman. I'm not sure who said she was. Fine, she has deep human emotions about her children. I don't think anyone ever doubted that for a second.
Am I now supposed to think she's qualified to be President of the United States?
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 16, 2011 6:38:59 GMT -5
The threshold question: It's not usually asked, but it's in everyone's mind in a presidential election. "Should we give this person nuclear weapons?" ...Answers itself.
— George Will on Sarah Palin
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 16, 2011 8:56:05 GMT -5
The threshold question: It's not usually asked, but it's in everyone's mind in a presidential election. "Should we give this person nuclear weapons?" ...Answers itself.
— George Will on Sarah Palin Yes it does answer itself and the answer is Yes.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 16, 2011 10:12:46 GMT -5
I agree with George Will, not only on that concept but earlier quote in that discussion: "She had to go back [after 2008] and be a successful governor of Alaska, and she had to do her homework. She's done neither." Like Trump, there is not enough public service and a lot more public relations and outright narcissism surround her circling of the campaign waters.
And that's why Bachmann is important in this discussion. I don't see myself voting for her in a primary, but she was effective in the debate and can position herself as a hard-right alternative to Romney compared to the empty suits that Pawlenty and Santorum displayed. She also seems more likely to be able to defend her position vis a vis Palin, who could conceivably enter the race and choose to ignore the media entirely, hoping to win on sheer personality.
Three other things:
1. Always interesting to see Ron Paul in a debate. He won't win, of course, but he isn't afraid to say unpopular things.
2. The Rick Perry buzz is a little strange. Some of the media play up at his popularity in Texas as a 10+ year governor, but the Democrats have tossed up some very weak contenders over the years and Perry has won a couple of races largely by default.
3. Are there any late entries to the race?
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Post by thebin on Jun 16, 2011 10:47:43 GMT -5
George Will as usual cutting to the salient bottom line truth. I'm always stunned how little political experience millions of Americans are willing to tolerate in their president. One term as governor of a state with almost no people just isn't enough. Hell, they don't even "tolerate" lack of basic qualifications- they actually champion it as an attribute. But that's only reason #1,203 why Palin has no business near the white house. This Washington-outsider-at-all-costs mindset has no intellectual merit. Between that and the rise of superstition (read: religion) and the hostility to intellectualism in huge sections of the American right today, I'd say there is a better chance than not that I'm voting for my first Democratic presidential candidate in 2012. I still like Huntsman a good deal but don't think he can win over the religious mouth-breathers than tend to pick the GOP nominee. I'm still mulling Romney.
For one thing I think in each and every debate the question about doubting evolution should be asked until we go a few rounds without a single idiot proudly raising his or her hand.
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Post by thebin on Jun 16, 2011 10:58:05 GMT -5
DFW said "As Will noted, there would have been no Reagan without Goldwater, no Goldwater without the National Review, no National Review without William F. Buckley. Sadly, Palin wouldn't last five minutes in the old Firing Line chair against someone like WFB."
That captures it exactly DFW/George. Buckley's influence on the GOP has been largely extinguished by those hostile to the concept of intellectualism and it is making it impossible for me and millions like me to call myself a Republican without being embarrassed. What a lot of people on the right don't understand is they need those people they so derisively deem to be RINOs more than the RINOs need the GOP.... We are the people who are going to carry states like NJ, PA, OH- states that must be won generally speaking. If you really want the RINOS out- the GOP becomes a regional rather than national party. Is that really what you want? People who deep down know Palin isn't worthy must pretend she is because generally speaking their hatred for O'Bama is so over the top that they no longer think rationally. Her's is a reactionary popularity- one that is absolutely terrible for the long term prospects of the GOP. I've been sympathetic to the GOP all my life and now, ironically as I approach middle age, these people are driving me away. If we rational conservatives can take the party back, so be it. If not, I'm not willing to be on the same side as people who can in good faith support a Sarah Palin candidacy.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 14, 2011 13:16:03 GMT -5
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