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Post by vcjack on Oct 6, 2009 13:39:57 GMT -5
Remember also that MM is also a good recruiting tool
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 6, 2009 13:42:52 GMT -5
Syracuse did not hold its event on the MM day last year, perhaps at the expense of excitement. The event, however, appears to have resembled other aspects of a MM.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 6, 2009 16:00:37 GMT -5
Yes, and I enjoyed my GUGS burger annually. I am not sure it helps to toughen up Julian Vaughn and never believed such. ;D As far as I can tell, we lost games last year because of play on the court, and, to the extent that can be the focus of improvement, we'll be better off. Adding a big screen or new video game on the parking lot will make an event successful and enjoyable, but may not do much for the 30-40 games to follow. Are you arguing that it will detract from the ability of the team to have success in the 30-40 games that follow? Because no one is arguing that it will add to the ability of the team to have success in the 30-40 games to follow (except, possibly the following year because it helps with recruiting--see Monroe, Greg and Freeman, Austin). It seems that all anyone is saying is that it's a fun event that helps get the campus and alumni excited about the upcoming season. And for some reason, you've decided that you're going to argue about that.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 6, 2009 16:02:23 GMT -5
While I like that this event has turned into a huge thing on campus, I am not sure what all of this attention - partly undeserved - does for the team. I'd much rather see them earn their way into pre-season hype by a good preceding season than run the risk of a false sense of confidence. Killjoy. You used to be a college student once, right? I can vouch for that. Though he was pretty much the same in college, right down to bringing up Thomas Jefferson and the Federalist Papers during the meetings the AD set up to reorganize Hoya Blue
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Post by theexorcist on Oct 6, 2009 16:09:20 GMT -5
I don't believe it should be done away with. I just don't see added value in having Raf shout ONIONS at Julian Vaughn or another player. Interestingly, Syracuse does not have a traditional MM but they seem to attract decent attendance at home games among students, alumni, and others. Homework assignment: Go to the below site wikitravel.org/en/Syracuse_%28New_York%29then go to the below sites: wikitravel.org/en/Washington%2C_DCwikitravel.org/en/Alexandria_%28Virginia%29wikitravel.org/en/Arlington_%28Virginia%29Compare and contrast. Hint: Start by discussing the part of the Washington article that says "Washington, D.C. is a huge city with several district articles containing sightseeing, restaurant, nightlife and accommodation listings — consider printing them all. " and the Syracuse part of the article that, under a "splurge" restaurant, mentions "Coleman's Authentic Irish Pub, 100 South Lowell Ave. +1 315 476-1933, [53]. An authentic Irish pub with a leprechaun door next to the regular door. It holds an appeal for all ages."
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 6, 2009 16:20:15 GMT -5
I am arguing, without making personal attacks, that you run the risk of impeding focus on basketball improvement (in the immediate season), a point that does not appear to be challenged yet.
In the current season, we cannot afford to have a poor season because of the effect on recruiting. We no longer have the luxury of hanging a banner during MM and letting Greg (or Hollis) have a long stare at it. Our recruiting is under a microscope now, and it might be said that the era of good feelings on the trail is over or quickly ending.*
The recruiting argument also presumes that we're able to get our highest priority targets on campus this year (the Kendricks, Mitchells, and Smiths), which is very much an open question. It might be that we end up with our back-up targets this year at MM, which might not be preferable for a number of reasons (i.e. friction caused by wanting to commit when no firm offer is on the table). The argument also assumes that MM is helpful in any event in recruits' decision-making. I think most would agree that it is helpful or, at least, that it is not harmful. I don't question that. I do question the extent to which it factors in as compared to other things - relationship to staff, location, academics, NBA prospects, etc. I also question whether public announcement dates in the past represented the actual date of commitment. Some of these guys may have silently verballed before MM.
*We had the same kind of MM event last year, and our freshman class includes one of our high priority targets. That's not the return rate we're accustomed to.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 6, 2009 16:24:18 GMT -5
I am arguing that you run the risk of impeding focus on basketball improvement (in the immediate season), a point that does not appear to be challenged yet. Really? You're worried about MM "impeding focus on basketball improvement (in the immediate season)"? WHY? When has it ever done that? It didn't last year, it didn't the year before, or the year before or the year before. And if you're going to say it did, you're the one who is going to have to trot out some proof, b/c there is no proof that it does.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 6, 2009 16:39:29 GMT -5
One one hour scrimmage is not going to hurt development at all. There's no basketball reason why it would. You're going to have to be clearer as to why it would hurt, not why it wouldn't help. Not everything in their lives should be to the optimal benefit of the team's performance.
As for the theory that you seemed to espouse in your first post -- that the hype around MM will make them get big-headed and suddenly not play as well...well, I'd posit that anyone who gets bigheaded and doesn't work as hard because of MM hype is not likely to be mentally strong enough to take the hype/disappointment/mild distraction, etc., that will be present thousands of times throughout the season.
There's no way someone who gets a huge ego boost to the point they change behavior because of MM actually ever worked hard enough to be a DI player.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 6, 2009 16:49:52 GMT -5
In response to the personal attack above, I'll refresh your recollection: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=17372&page=2#266993This kind of thing has happened since at other schools, An Iowa women's player suffered an ACL injury. Now, this is the most severe thing that can happen - an injury. No one wants it to happen or expects it to happen, but it happens, albeit infrequently. It is probably a risk of impeding focus (indirectly) most would take, and I agree. However, I don't think anybody would argue that Dalton's injury was not harmful to his prospects and the team. In terms of SF's points, you also have opportunity costs. The team could simply practice for however long it can in a closed-door environment as opposed to shooting/layups. I don't think anybody would argue that would be less helpful than MM from a basketball point of view, and most would prefer a practice environment to daily MM's. I don't think the optimality issue is trivial given that practice time is relatively scarce and governed by NCAA regs. Obviously, it becomes increasingly scarce. One side-effect you might get is that it is not clear than you want a crisp practice on Saturday following MM (or Friday if it is held on Thursday). Players go out etc., and you end up with a lousy practice, setting the wrong tone from the beginning. As to the argument about big-headedness, points for/against are entirely speculative. One point is that, when this kind of event was originally held, the team had something to back it up - a FF season. Last year, we had a young team, and what had it earned? This year, even more so. Is that the right message? The event is all in good fun, which is why I supported it when it was first proposed at such a scale (and even suggested that perhaps JT2 and Doc Walker could do their show from the parking lot). The idea was rejected for good reason, but it seems to have manifested itself in a different form with the ESPNU thing. I will watch ESPNU and enjoy the program, when our team is on, at least.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 6, 2009 16:53:59 GMT -5
In response to your personal attack above, I'll refresh your recollection: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=17372&page=2#266993This kind of thing has happened since at other schools, An Iowa women's player suffered an ACL injury. Now, this is the most severe thing that can happen - an injury. No one wants it to happen or expects it to happen, but it happens, albeit infrequently. It is probably a risk of impeding focus (indirectly) most would take, and I agree. However, I don't think anybody would argue that Dalton's injury was not harmful to his prospects and the team. That was during a scrimmage. Which we no longer have at MM. There's layup lines and a 3 point contest and some dancing. There's about as much risk of injury as there is walking to McDonough from class. Unless we're going to wrap Greg Monroe in bubble wrap 24/7, I don't think we'll ever able to eliminate the risk of a freak injury outside of games/practices.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 6, 2009 17:21:43 GMT -5
In response to your personal attack above, I'll refresh your recollection: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=17372&page=2#266993This kind of thing has happened since at other schools, An Iowa women's player suffered an ACL injury. Now, this is the most severe thing that can happen - an injury. No one wants it to happen or expects it to happen, but it happens, albeit infrequently. It is probably a risk of impeding focus (indirectly) most would take, and I agree. However, I don't think anybody would argue that Dalton's injury was not harmful to his prospects and the team. That was during a scrimmage. Which we no longer have at MM. There's layup lines and a 3 point contest and some dancing. There's about as much risk of injury as there is walking to McDonough from class. Unless we're going to wrap Greg Monroe in bubble wrap 24/7, I don't think we'll ever able to eliminate the risk of a freak injury outside of games/practices. That's a different argument than one based on the idea that there is "no proof" - an argument that now appears to be conceded.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Oct 6, 2009 17:30:05 GMT -5
Meh, no use arguing about this. It seems we have one loquacious poster who is somewhat negative on Midnight Madness, and a lot of posters who are very positive on Midnight Madness.
No matter what, Midnight Madness is here to stay for the forseeable future. And I think it has grown into a great event.
Hoyas, can't we all just get along? ;D
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Post by kchoya on Oct 6, 2009 17:34:39 GMT -5
That was during a scrimmage. Which we no longer have at MM. There's layup lines and a 3 point contest and some dancing. There's about as much risk of injury as there is walking to McDonough from class. Unless we're going to wrap Greg Monroe in bubble wrap 24/7, I don't think we'll ever able to eliminate the risk of a freak injury outside of games/practices. That's a different argument than one based on the idea that there is "no proof" - an argument that now appears to be conceded. Wow. You're the biggest buzzkill, killjoy, etc. I've come across. We had Midnight Madness when Iverson was here and made the NCAA's. We've had midnight madness during Eshrick and had a crappy year. We had MM before the recent Final Four season. I don't think there's a correlation between a celebration in October and how the team performs in February. Why don't you stop being a Debbie Downer and lighten up. You don't have to treat every thread and every issue like it's a topic on the B&G board where you post a 3000 word missive.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 6, 2009 17:35:07 GMT -5
That was during a scrimmage. Which we no longer have at MM. There's layup lines and a 3 point contest and some dancing. There's about as much risk of injury as there is walking to McDonough from class. Unless we're going to wrap Greg Monroe in bubble wrap 24/7, I don't think we'll ever able to eliminate the risk of a freak injury outside of games/practices. That's a different argument than one based on the idea that there is "no proof" - an argument that now appears to be conceded. There is still no proof that our MM does anything that impedes the teams "ability to focus" on the 30-40 games ahead, despite your changing the subject to discuss scrimmages at MM, which doesn't apply to our MM. I'm sure you have some kind of rebuttal, but really, I don't care. I'd be surprised if you're able to find more than one or two other people on the board that agrees with you.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 6, 2009 17:39:30 GMT -5
The last word can go to TBird. As I mentioned, I will enjoy the show on ESPNU as will many others in person and from outside campus, as it is generally a positive event for players, students, families, et al.
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Post by FLHoya on Oct 6, 2009 17:47:23 GMT -5
Would it change your mind if I told you L'il Wayne was performing?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 6, 2009 17:50:01 GMT -5
Would it change your mind if I told you L'il Wayne was performing? Yes, but only if Bubba Sparxx appears too. Somebody put gum in the dang flute in video below. ;D
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 6, 2009 18:30:52 GMT -5
Don't let anyone bring up the subject of whether the sun will come up tomorrow because Ambassador will argue it won't.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 6, 2009 18:35:45 GMT -5
Don't let anyone bring up the subject of whether the sun will come up tomorrow because Ambassador will argue it won't. And in no less than 500 words. ;D
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 6, 2009 18:44:01 GMT -5
it would be VERY exciting if henry and julian came out early for midnite madness for halloween DRESSED IN A TWO HEADED MONSTER OUTFit THAT WOULD BE SOOOOO COOLL GO HOYAS
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