NCAA Violations Announcement

[Admin]

Per GUHoyas.com, affecting baseball in specific but applicable to all athletics.

guhoyas.cstv.com/genrel/090209aaa.html

This thread is specific to the announcement--if you wish to discuss it in the context of the baseball program, please visit the Georgetown Sports board.

The story will be updated throughout the evening on the front page at HoyaSaxa.com.

[The Stig]

I guess I share DeGioia's views for now. It's unfortunate that this happened, but it looks like our people responded appropriately.

[kchoya]

So, "the individuals involved did not intend to cheat or violate NCAA rules," just to get paid $61K they didn't earn? That's a couple hundred hours for each student.

[lichoya68]

hey im glad the university responded like it did ...and jack came out with his letter immediatley.... sad but time to move on.. ps i think alot of schools would make this and what they get away with compared to us .. like this is nothing ... not good but nothing .. go hoyas still proud of us and our ethics and values ..VERY proud.. g o hoyas.... ps jim larrananga supposedly twittered that was in the post today... and teased.... but IM NOT SURE IF IT WAS REAL... that the ncaa had allowed snacks for players after practice they could have fruit nuts and bagels.... but NOT CREAM CHEESE... hope he was kidding but you never know!!!!!! OUCH go hoyas

[jerseyhoya34]

Absent from this presentation is an explicit acknowledgement of the undeniable fact that the infractions began on the watch of AD Lang and his staff in McD. It appears as though the senior leadership of the Department acted appropriately in self-reporting the infraction and instituting corrective measures.

[lichoya68]

if my calculationsa are right for five to seven students over the large number of years and at the work study going rate.. i think it averages out to more like paying for about three hours average per week over the year any body else familiar with this the way you say it sounds like some kid got 61k in a year as pay gimme a break not right but come on anybody see alonzo and what he said he was offered offered when he visited hmmmm gerogia tech and hmmmmm maryland hmm lets remember this program is very clean and we have a lot to be proud of so im glad it came out and was dealt with and jack sent the letter out immediately and please dont make it like somebody was getting oodles of money PLEASE. I HEARD one of our bball players couldnt be at kenner hardly at all because he had to go home to work at a real job so please lets have a little perspective here ok sorry for the lecture g ohoyas still proud of our hoyas very proud lets correct and move on

[lichoya68]

ps in our self report sent to the ncaa we were MUCH TOUGHER in our actions than the ncaa was or required MUCH TOUGHER yup go hoyas

[kchoya]

Sept 2, 2009 17:20:54 GMT -5 lichoya68 said:

if my calculationsa are right for five to seven students over the large number of years and at the work study going rate.. i think it averages out to more like paying for about three hours average per week over the year any body else familiar with this the way you say it sounds like some kid got 61k in a year as pay gimme a break not right but come on anybody see alonzo and what he said he was offered offered when he visited hmmmm gerogia tech and hmmmmm maryland hmm lets remember this program is very clean and we have a lot to be proud of so im glad it came out and was dealt with and jack sent the letter out immediately and please dont make it like somebody was getting oodles of money PLEASE. I HEARD one of our bball players couldnt be at kenner hardly at all because he had to go home to work at a real job so please lets have a little perspective here ok sorry for the lecture g ohoyas still proud of our hoyas very proud lets correct and move on

I don't think there's anything to be proud of here, or that it helps to minimize this. These kids were, apparently, reporting time worked when they didn't do the work. They were stealing money, and it's wrong no matter how you slice it.

[Cambridge]

I don't know the details but at first glance it looks like they billed travel time. To and from the baseball field would work out to approximately 3 hours a week. Again, just speculation, but I would imagine that's probably a technical violation but a reasonable mistake to make.

[nodak89]

Anyone else's heart stop when they misread "basketball" instead of "baseball?"

Even so, it is a disappointing and sad day for SPLD.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Can someone explain this to someone who's relatively ignorant of how the NCAA works: does being put on probation because of one sport's problems mean that other sports teams can't participate in post-season tournaments?

[DFW HOYA]

Sept 2, 2009 19:45:44 GMT -5 StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) said:

Can someone explain this to someone who's relatively ignorant of how the NCAA works: does being put on probation because of one sport's problems mean that other sports teams can't participate in post-season tournaments?

There's no ban on post-season unless specified; in this case, I don't think this was even a consideration.

However, I fully expect jchoya to ask this question in a few days, so here goes, from the the NCAA web site:

"The repeat-violator legislation (so called "death penalty") is applicable to an institution if, within a five-year period, the following conditions exist: (a) following the announcement of the major case, a major violation occurs, and (b) the second violation occurred within five years of the starting date of the penalty assessed in the first case. The second major case does not have to be in the same sport as the previous case to affect the second sport."

(OK, let's all back away from the ledge and understand that repeat-violator punishment varies widely depending on the issues involved. The best case is never to get in this mess again.)

tinyurl.com/nb4c54

[HoyaSinceBirth]

that wouldn't make any sense.

[Grandpa]

Still quite disconcerting that a violation in, say Field Hockey, sometime in the next couple of years could have significant negative ramifications for the b-ball team.

[rosslynhoya]

$61k over seven years, spread out over 26 student-athletes... $300 per student/year. 30 weeks in an academic year, we're talking an amount that averages out to $10 per kid per week.

Thank goodness for the NCAA. It's terrible to think what might happen to the principles of amateurism and fair play if it weren't for their diligent oversight. An exceptional running back might collect a six-figure salary to play for USC or something.

[lichoya68]

interesting rossyln hoya interesting ... any way shouldnt of happened but lets move on as i said im sure nobody like memphis out there or uconn does ANYTHING at all remotely as bad as this... go hoyas stay clean .. what did zo say about his recruitment by other schools compared to the hoyas go hoyas

[Just Cos]

Major violation is a major violation. Bad news.

[hoyabinx]

Sept 2, 2009 22:14:30 GMT -5 rosslynhoya said:

$61k over seven years, spread out over 26 student-athletes... $300 per student/year. 30 weeks in an academic year, we're talking an amount that averages out to $10 per kid per week.

Thank goodness for the NCAA. It's terrible to think what might happen to the principles of amateurism and fair play if it weren't for their diligent oversight. An exceptional running back might collect a six-figure salary to play for USC or something.

Agreed (with your sarcasm that is)

This is certainly does not encourage teams to self-report as we did. Memphis gets a free pass for playing an ineligible player but the baseball team is behind the 8-ball (in scholarships) because it self-reported.

[bubbrubbhoya]

Look, the NCAA is crap, and we all know that. On the other hand, if this happened at SUcks or UMCP, we'd be all over them for running a dirty athletics program. Have the right perspective, yes, but don't minimize this--this is a major embarrassment to Georgetown University any way you look at it, and it damages the great efforts (as exemplified in the case of 'Zo) that the University normally makes to be as clean as possible. This is a very unfortunate day for Georgetown.

[strummer8526]

We have a baseball team?