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Post by redskins12820 on Sept 5, 2009 12:16:37 GMT -5
Reason #501 why our baseball team sucks
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 5, 2009 12:45:23 GMT -5
I am going to repeat myself for the benefit of slow readers and faux moralists.
Two work-study students report to the busstop where they prepare to depart for their work-study assignment at North Bumfill Montgomery County Municipal Athletic Facility. The non-athlete is legally on the clock when he arrives at the busstop. His travel time is a valid part of his time-sheet if the timekeeper concurs. The work-study athlete is NOT on the clock until the bus arrives at NBMCMAF (or wherever our school's single worst athletic program practices these days) because that, like free cream cheese on bagels, the NCAA considers that an excess benefit ... even though a NORMAL four-digit-SAT Georgetown student in the work-study program would get that benefit. There is no STEALING involved, none whatsoever. If we had a competent Athletic Director or University President, he'd have some communications skills to explain this.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 5, 2009 12:56:01 GMT -5
I am going to repeat myself for the benefit of slow readers and faux moralists. Two work-study students report to the busstop where they prepare to depart for their work-study assignment at North Bumfill Montgomery County Municipal Athletic Facility. The non-athlete is legally on the clock when he arrives at the busstop. His travel time is a valid part of his time-sheet if the timekeeper concurs. The work-study athlete is NOT on the clock until the bus arrives at NBMCMAF (or wherever our school's single worst athletic program practices these days) because that, like free cream cheese on bagels, the NCAA considers that an excess benefit ... even though a NORMAL four-digit-SAT Georgetown student in the work-study program would get that benefit. There is no STEALING involved, none whatsoever. If we had a competent Athletic Director or University President, he'd have some communications skills to explain this. Rosslyn, suppose the work-study athlete knows he is not on the clock until the bus arrives at NBMCMAF?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 5, 2009 12:59:43 GMT -5
Two work-study students report to the busstop where they prepare to depart for their work-study assignment at North Bumfill Montgomery County Municipal Athletic Facility. The non-athlete is legally on the clock when he arrives at the busstop. His travel time is a valid part of his time-sheet if the timekeeper concurs. The work-study athlete is NOT on the clock until the bus arrives at NBMCMAF (or wherever our school's single worst athletic program practices these days) because that, like free cream cheese on bagels, the NCAA considers that an excess benefit ... even though a NORMAL four-digit-SAT Georgetown student in the work-study program would get that benefit. There is no STEALING involved, none whatsoever. If we had a competent Athletic Director or University President, he'd have some communications skills to explain this. Fine, but that's not what happened. The issue that elevates a minor offense to a major violation is that a minor offense is isolated and inadvertant. Seven, repeat, seven years of padding work study timesheets (from 18%- 90% of the billable hours) is neither isolated nor inadvertant. Add the fact that this was a common practice across multiple assistant coaches and multiple class years elevates this from a timing issue on a bus stop.
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Post by redskins12820 on Sept 5, 2009 13:30:01 GMT -5
I am going to repeat myself for the benefit of slow readers and faux moralists. Two work-study students report to the busstop where they prepare to depart for their work-study assignment at North Bumfill Montgomery County Municipal Athletic Facility. The non-athlete is legally on the clock when he arrives at the busstop. His travel time is a valid part of his time-sheet if the timekeeper concurs. The work-study athlete is NOT on the clock until the bus arrives at NBMCMAF (or wherever our school's single worst athletic program practices these days) because that, like free cream cheese on bagels, the NCAA considers that an excess benefit ... even though a NORMAL four-digit-SAT Georgetown student in the work-study program would get that benefit. There is no STEALING involved, none whatsoever. If we had a competent Athletic Director or University President, he'd have some communications skills to explain this. "As a result, over time a practice developed regarding the recording of time worked whereby the student-athletes were told to complete their time cards with blocks of time, totaling no more than 20 hours per week, without regard for whether the blocks of time represented the exact hours worked, on the understanding that sufficient work would be provided to equal the time reported." I'm pretty sure normal work study kids don't complete time cards BEFORE they do their work, or to represent time that they later find out was not provided to them. They cheated, plain and simple. Too bad it's not just affecting the baseball team, but affecting the entire GU athletic department. Shame on them.
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 5, 2009 14:13:46 GMT -5
wowwoowow i thought jim larrnaaga was
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 5, 2009 14:18:19 GMT -5
SORRY HIT THAT DARN BUTTON THINGY any way i thought jim larranaga was KIDDING ABOUT THE BAGELS OK BUT CREAM CHEESE IS ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO THE NCAA pleasee please please tell me he Was KIDDING PLEASE if not that is MORE than ridicuolous much more than ridicculous im my humble opinion... but i quess id beleive anything about this ncaa stuff .. remember that the kid on football scholarship was taking care of his liltte brother cause his parent died or something adn the freaking ncaa said it was a violation cause like the team like helped take care of him or gave him some food PLEASE they reversed that but their first crack at it well they must have BEENON CRACK anyway does anybody know if laranaga was SERIOus ABOUT THE NO CREAM CHEESETHING ?? if its giant cream cheeses instead of philadelphia or memphis cream cheese is THAT ok please somebdoy tell me he was kidding please go hoyas dont do anything like that again lets move on but also put in perspective PLEASE
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Post by kchoya on Sept 5, 2009 14:23:06 GMT -5
SORRY HIT THAT DARN BUTTON THINGY any way i thought jim larranaga was KIDDING ABOUT THE BAGELS OK BUT CREAM CHEESE IS ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO THE NCAA pleasee please please tell me he Was KIDDING PLEASE if not that is MORE than ridicuolous much more than ridicculous im my humble opinion... but i quess id beleive anything about this ncaa stuff .. remember that the kid on football scholarship was taking care of his liltte brother cause his parent died or something adn the freaking ncaa said it was a violation cause like the team like helped take care of him or gave him some food PLEASE they reversed that but their first crack at it well they must have BEENON CRACK anyway does anybody know if laranaga was SERIOus ABOUT THE NO CREAM CHEESETHING ?? if its giant cream cheeses instead of philadelphia or memphis cream cheese is THAT ok please somebdoy tell me he was kidding please go hoyas dont do anything like that again lets move on but also put in perspective PLEASE Jeez, please tell me you don't push this rationalization crap on your patients/kids/whoever it is you deal with in whatever you do for your job. This wasn't about cream cheese, this was about kids turning in hours to get money they shouldn't have been paid. Big difference.
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Post by casualhoya on Sept 8, 2009 10:30:06 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 8, 2009 13:30:49 GMT -5
Why does Wilk not take the fall for this given that he was the Coach the entire time?
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Post by Diablo on Sept 8, 2009 13:45:02 GMT -5
because georgetown will never find a replacement coach for him
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Post by hifigator on Sept 8, 2009 15:07:35 GMT -5
SORRY HIT THAT DARN BUTTON THINGY any way i thought jim larranaga was KIDDING ABOUT THE BAGELS OK BUT CREAM CHEESE IS ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO THE NCAA pleasee please please tell me he Was KIDDING PLEASE if not that is MORE than ridicuolous much more than ridicculous im my humble opinion... but i quess id beleive anything about this ncaa stuff .. remember that the kid on football scholarship was taking care of his liltte brother cause his parent died or something adn the freaking ncaa said it was a violation cause like the team like helped take care of him or gave him some food PLEASE they reversed that but their first crack at it well they must have BEENON CRACK anyway does anybody know if laranaga was SERIOus ABOUT THE NO CREAM CHEESETHING ?? if its giant cream cheeses instead of philadelphia or memphis cream cheese is THAT ok please somebdoy tell me he was kidding please go hoyas dont do anything like that again lets move on but also put in perspective PLEASE I'm not sure I see the parallel here. The kid you are talking about was MacElrathbey and he played football for Clemson. His mom was crackhead, essentially living on the street in Atlanta, so he officially adopted his little brother. The problem was getting his brother to school. I guess they don't have school buses there. In any case, one of the coaches wives lived very close and was a teacher at the school, if I'm not mistaken. It was really no big deal for her to stop and pick up the kid. But of course, that's a benefit and therefore an NCAA violation. As you point out, the public outcry won out and the NCAA made an exception. GASP ... I didn't even know they knew that word. Either way, I don't see a parallel here. While I don't think the violation warrants a "major" tag, it's still nothing like trying to do something out of the goodness of your heart to help out someone who's in a bad situation through no doing of their own.
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