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Post by seaweed on Mar 15, 2009 19:19:20 GMT -5
Louisville to Dayton is 152 miles, no big deal getting a reasonable crowd there. That does not make it OK, but it is not tragic.
Shouldn't this thread be in Pro and College Sports? Gotta save room over here for the NIT bracket thread. Sucks, but that is the way it is this year.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Mar 15, 2009 19:23:07 GMT -5
looking at maryland on the ncaa bracket is like watching your sworn enemy on a date with your ex-girlfriend, with his hand stuffed down her back pocket. ugh.
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Post by royski on Mar 15, 2009 19:30:16 GMT -5
looking at maryland on the ncaa bracket is like watching your sworn enemy on a date with your ex-girlfriend, with his hand stuffed down her back pocket. ugh. That's actually happened to me. It was the only time I wished that I'd had an STD. Moving right along then...
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 15, 2009 21:12:44 GMT -5
am i wrong in thinking providence should have made the tournament???
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 15, 2009 21:23:38 GMT -5
am i wrong in thinking providence should have made to tournament??? as wrong as your sentence structure hm
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 15, 2009 22:27:53 GMT -5
Big East Shows Its Power in N.C.A.A. Field - NY TimesEXCERPT ...the Big East earned a spot in history. With Louisville, Connecticut and Pittsburgh joining North Carolina as No. 1 seeds, the Big East became the first conference to place three teams on the top line of the N.C.A.A. tournament field.
Louisville, which won the Big East tournament at Madison Square Garden on Saturday, was selected as the top overall seed. Each of the conference’s seven teams that earned bids are seeded No. 6 or better.
“We’re thrilled to receive three No. 1 seeds,” Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese said. “To have our other four tournament teams seeded on the No. 3 line and on the No. 6 line is quite an accomplishment. We’ve had a terrific regular season and the committee saw fit to reward our teams. Now, though, it is time to play and a new season begins.”
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Post by Gold Hoya on Mar 15, 2009 22:29:31 GMT -5
I love Pitt's draw for them. I don't see a team before North Carolina that can really challenge them if they can keep Blair on the court. I actually hope Blair gets some "star" treatment on the foul calls. He's earned it, and the tournament is better when the best players are on the floor, not on the bench. Royski, meet Ted Valentine as well as every Pac 10 ref, all of whom think the tournament is where we all tune in to watch them stick up their arms
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 16, 2009 11:47:19 GMT -5
Even though I knew it was coming since they won their quarterfinal ACC game, it still makes me sick to my stomach that Maryland is in this tournament. I need to throw things. BC inspires similar, if less intense, feelings. San Diego State, Florida, Auburn, Baylor - these are all better teams. And I know that arguments can be made for BC and MD based on their quality wins, but it seems like these breaks ALWAYS fall for the ACC team.
Now, I realize with the three 1-seeds this year has to be considered a success for the giant Big East. (And let's just not talk about the 7-bid Big Ten. Their non-tournament teams were so bad that it made the rest of the league look better than average instead of mediocre. This is a one-year thing.) I just hate that EVERY team in the ACC gets this little prestige bump because EVERY team in the league, except UNC, is a little bit overrated.
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 16, 2009 13:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 13:34:58 GMT -5
I just gave it a quick look, and our profile is VERY similar to Arizona's. We're right ahead of them in RPI, comparable road records (AZ 2-9, GU 3-7), comparable records vs. Top 50 (AZ 6-10, GU 4-8) and Top 100 (AZ 8-12, GU 7-11). The biggest gap: they were 7-5 in their last 12, and we were only 4-8. But that gap closes quickly when you see that they were 1-5 in their last 6...
Not that it really matters, but how were we so far removed from the bubble conversation?
I hate 2008-09.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 16, 2009 13:43:53 GMT -5
I just gave it a quick look, and our profile is VERY similar to Arizona's. We're right ahead of them in RPI, comparable road records (AZ 2-9, GU 3-7), comparable records vs. Top 50 (AZ 6-10, GU 4-8) and Top 100 (AZ 8-12, GU 7-11). The biggest gap: they were 7-5 in their last 12, and we were only 4-8. But that gap closes quickly when you see that they were 1-5 in their last 6... Not that it really matters, but how were we so far removed from the bubble conversation? I hate 2008-09. I'm not sure those records vs. Top 50 and Top 100 are so comparable. To go from 4-8 to 6-10, we'd have had to go 2-2 in four additional Top 50 games, and 1-1 in two additional Top 100 games. Considering we weren't close to .500 in either category, it is hardly a foregone conclusion we'd have gotten there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 14:01:31 GMT -5
I just gave it a quick look, and our profile is VERY similar to Arizona's. We're right ahead of them in RPI, comparable road records (AZ 2-9, GU 3-7), comparable records vs. Top 50 (AZ 6-10, GU 4-8) and Top 100 (AZ 8-12, GU 7-11). The biggest gap: they were 7-5 in their last 12, and we were only 4-8. But that gap closes quickly when you see that they were 1-5 in their last 6... Not that it really matters, but how were we so far removed from the bubble conversation? I hate 2008-09. I'm not sure those records vs. Top 50 and Top 100 are so comparable. To go from 4-8 to 6-10, we'd have had to go 2-2 in four additional Top 50 games, and 1-1 in two additional Top 100 games. Considering we weren't close to .500 in either category, it is hardly a foregone conclusion we'd have gotten there. I'm not saying it's a foregone conclusion by any stretch, nor that we deserve to be in. Just noting that the overall profiles aren't really that far apart, yet they're in the tournament and we were never really in the conversation. I guess my point is: Arizona should be about a 4 seed in the NIT.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 16, 2009 14:53:25 GMT -5
The irony is that we were as close as a crappy team has ever been before and will ever be again. The Arizona analogy is perfectly apt. The committee way, way overvalued SOS, in my opinion. And, guess who pretty much lived by that all year long: us. If we won 2 more games, any 2 games, I think we were definitely into the tourney. But, honestly, we still wouldnt be a good team. So, does it matter all that much? Probably not.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 16, 2009 15:10:37 GMT -5
Creighton and san diego state deserved to be in over arizona and maryland but oh well.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 16, 2009 15:10:42 GMT -5
DanMcQ wrote:
Syracuse will lose early - Devendorf in Miami? Say no more.
Well done sir.
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(For the record, DC to Raleigh is 277, Davidson NC to Raleigh is 158)
The NCAA isn't supposed to do that...I swear there's a rule about it in the manual.
I had never heard that for sure, but on the selection show yesterday, someone mentioned that Memphis couldn't be the 1 in the bracket played in Memphis. The oddity is that Villanova was allowed to play in Philly. I guess that's only because they weren't a #1.
That makes no sense.
sleepyjackson wrote:
All the so called bubble teams for the SEC weren't bubble teams at all. Florida, Kentucky, Auburn and South Carolina weren't even close to getting into the tournament.
Actually, since the NCAA owns the NIT as well, they have stated that the NIT seedings are done by the same people, using the same formulas. That would suggest that Florida, Auburn and St. Mary's were among the last four out. There has been a lot of speculation that either Florida or Auburn would have been the third SEC team, had Tennessee beaten Miss. St. I guess we will never know, but since Mike Slive was the chairman of the selection committee as well as the head of the SEC, he was rumored to have been pitching for at least 3 SEC teams all along. Mississippi State effectively ended any chance that either of the Orange and Blues from the SEC got in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 15:19:11 GMT -5
FlHoya wrote: (For the record, DC to Raleigh is 277, Davidson NC to Raleigh is 158)
The NCAA isn't supposed to do that...I swear there's a rule about it in the manual. I had never heard that for sure, but on the selection show yesterday, someone mentioned that Memphis couldn't be the 1 in the bracket played in Memphis. The oddity is that Villanova was allowed to play in Philly. I guess that's only because they weren't a #1. That makes no sense. It's the home-court issue. You can't play in any tournament games in an arena in which you've played 3 or more home games that season. So, Memphis couldn't be slated for the Memphis games because FedEx Forum is their full-time home court. Villanova is a different story and actually has done this before - when there are NCAA games slated for Wachovia Center, they play 3 games there, (this year, it was Georgetown, Louisville and Syracuse, I believe). In other seasons, they play as many as they want there. The rest go to the Pavilion on campus. This year, they played Pitt at the old Spectrum as well, giving them 4 games away from the Pavilion, but only 3 at the NCAA site.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 16, 2009 15:28:09 GMT -5
THanks Cam. So I guess that could preclude a BE team from playing in MSG, if that happened to be a host site. Syracuse for example, played 4 games in MSG didn't they? But I guess they weren't the "home" game for the last one. Still, that's a bit odd. I mean, thinking about their reasoning, who cares what color jersey you wore?
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 16, 2009 15:30:58 GMT -5
There are also instances like playing OSU in Dayton, which is practically an OSU home game, and crushing them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 15:32:19 GMT -5
THanks Cam. So I guess that could preclude a BE team from playing in MSG, if that happened to be a host site. Syracuse for example, played 4 games in MSG didn't they? But I guess they weren't the "home" game for the last one. Still, that's a bit odd. I mean, thinking about their reasoning, who cares what color jersey you wore? MSG wouldn't be an issue for any Big East team except St. John's. Tournament play is all considered neutral-site.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 16, 2009 19:50:33 GMT -5
Like us, Arizona doesn't belong in the tournament either. However, in what may have been the most bizarre seeding this year, Utah got a 5 seed, and Arizona gets to play them. That's like a 12 seed playing a team that should be a 9 or a 10 seed. And Arizona is favored.
Good work, committee!
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