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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2009 18:06:19 GMT -5
Worst call I've ever seen. The ref should lose his job.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2009 18:08:33 GMT -5
1984alloveragain...henderson didn't punch psycho t. He elbowed him straight to the face. I remember watching the game. I outwardly reacted over the play but didn't expect a call. Nobody should against duke. Actually, that play was neither intentional nor dirty. Henderson went up for the block, rotated in the air, and his elbow collided with Hansborough's face- clearly unintentionally. Nothing about that play was remotely comparable to that nonsense yesterday.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jan 18, 2009 18:23:17 GMT -5
Let it go, folks. Move on.
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Post by dcc33 on Jan 18, 2009 19:04:07 GMT -5
As per someone sitting on the bench during the game, it was definitely a fan in the crowd, and he said/yelled "bull" just after III was warned while arguing about the earlier blocking foul. The tech was awful and beyond irresponsible, but is Cahill really so thin skinned that he got offended by that comment?
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Jan 18, 2009 19:33:51 GMT -5
Cahill was a man with an agenda, and he knew exactly what he was doing
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Post by Filo on Jan 18, 2009 19:53:02 GMT -5
Good point, Rock. Now, to flops. It's part of the game; the most extreme flop that I have ever seen is a vague recollection of, maybe Gene Smith, pulling an opponent on top of him in a NCAA championship-like game. I re-call Biilly Packer clicking his tongue about it. It didn't work anyway. It was Broadnax against 'Nova, and it happened at the very end of the game. It didn't work because it was so obvious that he pulled the 'Nova guy towards him. I hated that Broadnax tried that play. And I hate watching Duke play basketball because their entire defensive philosophy in the paint is based on taking charges. Part of the game? Sure. Does it work? Sure. Good for them, I guess. Do I want my favorite team playing that way? Not one iota. On another note, I go back and forth about whether JTIII should bother scheduling Duke in the future. In some ways, it's just not worth it and not fair to the players. On the other hand, a pretty valuable lesson and great road experience.
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Post by jghoya01 on Jan 18, 2009 20:02:18 GMT -5
Here s the issue I see. Either we have a player, monroe, who lied about not saying anything, or we have a coach who wouldn't defend his player in what seems to be an obvious situation. Regardless I think the call was terrible, but if monroe insists on having said anything, jt3 should have backed him up post game and made some typw of argument unless he believes greg was lying.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Jan 18, 2009 20:10:58 GMT -5
JT III had to try and calm things down. The situation was and is horrendous enough.
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Post by jghoya01 on Jan 18, 2009 20:14:00 GMT -5
Calm what down? I'm talking about after the game had ended.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 18, 2009 20:15:01 GMT -5
Here s the issue I see. Either we have a player, monroe, who lied about not saying anything, or we have a coach who wouldn't defend his player in what seems to be an obvious situation. Regardless I think the call was terrible, but if monroe insists on having said anything, jt3 should have backed him up post game and made some typw of argument unless he believes greg was lying.
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 18, 2009 20:17:18 GMT -5
Anything more from JTIII, at least in public, would be massively counterproductive. He defended him on the court, but the call had been made and it certainly was not going to be reversed after the game. Cahill is a big east ref and it will not help the team to have the coach feuding with him.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 18, 2009 20:21:17 GMT -5
Still haven't seen the play but as a Duke hater, I just have to say that of course this kind of call is not surprising.
Sorry you all lost that one. Would have been a big boost for the BE and would have shut Coach K up for a bit.
As for other Cuse fans rooting for you guys, which I was as well, you also have to understand that Greg Paulus is probably the most hated current basketball player by SU fans. He blew us off to go down there. To be a bench warmer in his senior season. Justice is poetic. Now if someone would just knock him the F out when he pulls the tough guy routine next time.
One of Paulus' finer moments.
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Post by jghoya01 on Jan 18, 2009 20:22:16 GMT -5
I'm just sick of this bs happening all the time with duke. No one says , no one calls foul. Its total crap and someone ought to say something about it, why not us?
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 18, 2009 20:31:01 GMT -5
I'm just sick of this bs happening all the time with duke. No one says Edited, no one calls foul. Its total crap and someone ought to say something about it, why not us? Ummm, the notion that Duke "gets all the calls" is pretty widespread among college basketball fans. Not exactly a well-guarded secret...a one of the main tenets of anti-Duke philosophy. It'd be a fun topic for debate actually: Which was more pervasive in its prime: Hoya Paranoia or Duke Hate? Postscript to this whole discussion: John Cahill worked an A-10 game in Rhode Island today. Which gets into another issue--big-time officials work too many games per season. To go from working a 1:30pm game in Durham on a Saturday to an afternoon game in Rhode Island on Sunday...no wonder these dudes are so stressed out and jumpy. They do this sort of hopscotching around the country--and the big time refs DO go around the country (Cahill does ACC, A-10 and BE, Burr does Big 10 and Bid 12, Hightower does the same, etc.)--for 4-5 months at a time is nuts.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 18, 2009 20:49:29 GMT -5
Cahill was a man with an agenda, and he knew exactly what he was doing This is the only conclusion you can come away with, and that is what I think bothers many on this board. We all knew that it was going to be bogus calls in this game, and we knew the majority would be against the player they feared the most, Monroe. But for a ref who is familiar with the BE and knows who the best player is, to call a tech on that player while the player is siiting on the bench, and the reason given is that he heard something while his back was turned, is beyond the pale and should be investigated for the integrety of the game. Forget Duke they will continue to have their bogus home win streak for 100+ games and Vitale and ESPN can hype any home game they have by talking about the streak. I am talking about a ref who made a deliberate call to affect the outcome of a game, if it were not so he would have made the tech on the bench and not against a player. No way, given all the loud screaming in that arena could Greg's own mother pick out his voice among all the rest. Just a horrible call that should call all coaches to question Cahil's calls when the underdog team is getting ready to beat the Vegas odds.
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Post by jgalt on Jan 18, 2009 21:14:21 GMT -5
I'm just sick of this bs happening all the time with duke. No one says Edited, no one calls foul. Its total crap and someone ought to say something about it, why not us? Coaches are not allowed (supposed) to criticize the officials publicly (through the media) and they face sanctions if they do. This is true in most sports (all the ones i know). Coaches have their ways to petition the league/NCAA about bad officiating. Im not disagreeing with you, i would have loved to see Greg just stand up, take off his jersey and walk off in protest, but that is not going to happen.
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Post by jghoya01 on Jan 18, 2009 21:23:47 GMT -5
Fine, so let's say jt3 made some complaint, which still doesn't do the job of publicly backing his best player, more valuable I'd say than the cost of some fine, but still no media picks up on this? Fans everywhere hate duke because this keeps happening but mainstream media ignores it. Its crap.
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Post by jgalt on Jan 18, 2009 21:26:20 GMT -5
Fine, so let's say jt3 made some complaint, which still doesn't do the job of publicly backing his best player, more valuable I'd say than the cost of some fine, but still no media picks up on this? Fans everywhere hate duke because this keeps happening but mainstream media ignores it. Its crap. Check that article thread, about half of those articles have titles which reference a "phantom tech" and all but the Duke Chronicle mention the tech as a turning point and more than fishy. also complaining doesnt help keep JTIII's reputation with refs high. he is said to have a good relationship with most refs, complaining doesnt help that.
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Post by hoochrunner on Jan 18, 2009 21:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 18, 2009 21:40:28 GMT -5
Cahill was a man with an agenda, and he knew exactly what he was doing This is the only conclusion you can come away with, and that is what I think bothers many on this board. We all knew that it was going to be bogus calls in this game, and we knew the majority would be against the player they feared the most, Monroe. But for a ref who is familiar with the BE and knows who the best player is, to call a tech on that player while the player is siiting on the bench, and the reason given is that he heard something while his back was turned, is beyond the pale and should be investigated for the integrety of the game. Forget Duke they will continue to have their bogus home win streak for 100+ games and Vitale and ESPN can hype any home game they have by talking about the streak. I am talking about a ref who made a deliberate call to affect the outcome of a game, if it were not so he would have made the tech on the bench and not against a player. No way, given all the loud screaming in that arena could Greg's own mother pick out his voice among all the rest. Just a horrible call that should call all coaches to question Cahil's calls when the underdog team is getting ready to beat the Vegas odds. The sooner folks get away from this kind of thinking, IMO, the better we're all going to feel. The guy made a terrible call--that's a given. Why he did we'll likely not know for sure. It's possible that it was an honest case of mistaken identity. It's also possible that Cahill was already on edge having just had a conference with JT3 and given a warning regarding our assistant coaches, and at the next provocation quickly reacted and in his haste judged that Monroe was the culprit who had made a comment at him. (The notion of a "bench technical" is a red herring IMO--if you "know" who committed a foul, you call it on that person.) It happens--even to veteran officials. I was an official for five years in a different sport and had the misfortunate of making incorrect calls in pressure situations where I reacted too quickly--felt terrible about it afterwards. But to suggest an "agenda" was at play here IMO is not helpful. This requires us to believe that the official made a premeditated decision to single out a team's best player for a technical foul at any provocation at the first case where he could plausibly be blamed. To accept this situation requires far too much of a leap of faith for any objective person IMO. I'll repeat--any official who acts in this manner would likely never make it anywhere significant in his profession, much less to the level of his profession that John Cahill has, and if were determined he was said official would face severe sanctions. It DOES happen--officials will deal with the legacy of Tim Donaghy for years to come--but that's the extreme exception. The remark about Vegas odds--whether in jest or not--is least helpful of all...you'd be better off attributing it to Duke Worship (certainly not Hoya Hatrid--we were 7-1 in Cahill's games last year IIRC). An experienced official made a terrible call at a key juncture that had a strongly negative impact on Georgetown's chances to win a game against Duke. To put it one way: that is CRAP and it's UNFAIR. I'm still mad about it myself. But the only real solution, which I've been maintaining all along, is to just let it go by the time we play West Virginia on Thursday. Rest assured, officials are constantly evaluated and assessed, and certainly the ACC and Big East would be closely monitoring a game like Georgetown-Duke. If there is anything to suggest the official acted unprofessionally, the matter will be dealt with, but likely in a way not drawing too much attention to the situation.
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