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Post by hoyafrigginsaxa on Jan 17, 2009 19:56:25 GMT -5
Who knows how to get on to their fan board? Let's ask them honestly. Let's tell them we wouldn't have won anyway. Tell them we admit defeat. and ask them. I need an answer to this. Someone on their board had to be close enough to hear/see. I want the truth.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 17, 2009 20:09:36 GMT -5
That call -- among several in this show of a game -- was the purest, basest BS. Unconscionable.
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Post by 3xhoya on Jan 17, 2009 20:14:45 GMT -5
The technical call was totally ridiculous and not deserved. They should have been paying attention to the game. The thing that bothers me the most though is that if it was a fan, the ref can actually give a team a technical resulting in free throws. These are actual points that can determine the outcome of the game. A fan should not be able to have a direct effect on a game. If they say something a ref does not like they should be pointed out to security and removed. I find it very unfair for the players on each team to be effected by a fan. These kids work too hard and a fan influencing the game in a direct manner is an injustice to them.
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 17, 2009 20:18:59 GMT -5
Ive been on their board trying to get to an answer - not sure anyone was close enough based on lack of responses.
you know i bet JT III knows the truth now. Either he sat down with monroe and greg admitted it. or he swore he didn't do it. i also wouldn't be surprised if he had a conversation with the ref after the game. just one on one type.
just saying - i bet JT III knows the truth now.
I just wish it would get shared.
doesn't everyone else thing greg would own up to it if he did it? I mean "i screwed up i let my emotions get the better of me, it wont happen again"
thats all
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 17, 2009 20:20:43 GMT -5
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 17, 2009 20:25:23 GMT -5
Seriously, what realistic recourse is there for this?
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Post by hoyafrigginsaxa on Jan 17, 2009 20:35:57 GMT -5
Do you see this as a game changing foul? I sure do. Monroe got very limited minutes for the rest of the game. In limited, I mean he couldn't play defense. at all. or make any attempt to take it to the rim for fear of an offensive foul. Also, if my memory serves me right...we were down only four at the time. after the shots and possession, down 8. Huge difference. When a ref hear's an obscenity from the crowd, without facing the bench and witnessing who said it. how can he T up the best player around? without seeing his mouth move? does he know greg monroe's tone so well that he can pick it out over 8,000 duke voices. I truthfully don't think so. Ridiculous call. one of many but I won't nitpick. That one changed the entire game and how it was played.
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Post by fsohoya on Jan 17, 2009 20:37:36 GMT -5
Coast2Coast, the only people who can do anything about it are the team and school, and they aren't going to protest. Nothing would come of it, anyway. I think we should all just take this as a tough but ultimately not too damaging loss, accept that there will always be a thumb on the scale when we play at Cameron, and move forward.
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Jan 17, 2009 20:39:38 GMT -5
I was at the game, but sitting on the level above and to the side so I couldn't see if Greg's lips moved, but what I did see was Cahill tell the bench to shut up, then TURN AWAY, then turn back and T up Monroe. At which point Greg had to 1) put down a glass of water and 2) take out his ridiculously large mouthguard to immediately say something like (reading lips because he was turned towards me) "I didn't say it. A fan said it." Then he pointed behind the bench as Cahill walked away and the Duke crowd went wild and the announcer said, "A technical and the FOURTH PERSONAL FOUL is called on Greg Monroe."
Pretty shabby. At which point I said to the Duke fans around me, "Well, if that's how you guys want to win."
Best part was 10 minutes later after Singler pushed Omar down and got called for an intentional the guy in front of me turned around and says, "Well, we're even now." Idiot.
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Post by hoyafrigginsaxa on Jan 17, 2009 20:42:42 GMT -5
I dvred the game. no camera shot at the bench when it happened. But, the ref turned around quickly to make the call. So quickly that i personally do not believe he saw anyone in particular say anything. What was the line on this game? what were the lines on the last 50 games the guy reffed. What were the outcomes? just questions to be considered.
BTW...i thought, minus the sapp/wright drought, omar/clark you played great, we'd win this game on a neutral court. I don't mean I think the cameron crazies were the deciding factor, I mean a "neutral" court would be nice.
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Post by 02hoya on Jan 17, 2009 20:42:54 GMT -5
I am still so furious about this situation. It's completely preposterous and I wish the refs participated in the post-game press conferences. Would love to hear Cahill's sound bites about that one...
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Post by hoyafrigginsaxa on Jan 17, 2009 20:48:40 GMT -5
no excuses. hopefully we meet again in march with a neutral crew. We will win. Love our team. Nice work crew. Omar, loved the charges you drew. loved the tongue you threw at them. Although we can't flaunt. just got to take care of business. keep drawing fouls and draining threes
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Post by hoyafrigginsaxa on Jan 17, 2009 20:50:44 GMT -5
drunk and Editeded. Wish I was drunk and rowdy. deleted cameron. See you in March
Drunk or not, keep it clean.
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Post by hoyafrigginsaxa on Jan 17, 2009 20:52:17 GMT -5
cahill needs to speak. if not he'll be the next nixon
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 17, 2009 21:00:53 GMT -5
Seriously, what realistic recourse is there for this? None if you're a fan. I suppose if JT3 wanted to get a further explanation for what occurred beyond what he was told at the game, there's probably a formal way for him to do that through the Coordinator of Officials for whichever conference assigned the game--Big East (Art Hyland) or ACC (John Clougherty)...probably the latter, although all three officials are affiliated with both leagues, the third official Sean Hull works more often in the ACC. If the ACC had jurisdiction over the game, I seriously doubt anything comes of this as we do not play in said conference. My guess is two things are probably true--the officials complete some kind of post-game report after each contest, and they are likely being assessed/evaluated on their performance often during the season. Both would offer an opportunity to go over how the technical foul decision was handled... ...but let's be honest here: what other explanation are you expecting other than John Cahill saying "I honestly thought #10 made a comment which prompted me to assess the technical foul." The guy is a skilled, experienced referee whose performance last season earned him the honor of officiating the Big East Tournament final AND the National Championship game...and it seems that today he made a clear mistake in assessing a technical foul on the wrong player. That happens. (Not very often, but we got so many 50/50 calls to fall our way last year it's bound to swing the other way in bizarre fashion. ;D ) A recent parallel I can come up with is the Bob Donato controversy after the Georgetown-Villanova game last season. Donato you'll remember called a blocking foul on Corey Stokes along the sideline near the GU basket with 0.1 seconds remaining and the score tied. Now, this was a judgement call vice Cahill's "did he get the right guy?"--and the officiating message boards seemed to agree with Donato, while the BE was lukewarm in its statements about the game. Still, you can argue that Cahill's technical changed the momentum of the game and "ensured" a Duke win--but there were many minutes remaining and the score was still in single digits. Donato's call, right or wrong, pretty much did decide the game--it was headed to overcome if no call was made, and J-Wall's FTs provided the winning margin in regulation w/ no chance for Nova to answer. After the game, Nova fans naturally were incensed--far more over the top than us at the moment (folks were trying to find Donato's house/phone number, since he lives in suburban Philly). There were many calls just like this for some kind of "investigation" or for Donato to be punished, or at the very least for him to be taken off Nova games. The BE was very clear on this at the time--the outcome of the GU-Nova game would have no impact whatsoever on Donato's future schedule...which is set prior to the season (these guys travel so much it'd be impossible not to do it all in advance). Now, I don't recall Donato doing another Nova game that year, but it was probably a coincidence...and it WAS pretty late on in the season at that point. And the controversy didn't impact Donato either--who was ALSO on the crew of the controversial GU/WVU ending. He went on to officiate the BET Final with Cahill, and later an Elite Eight game. Likewise, you won't see any more/less of John Cahill this year because of today. My guess is you won't see him for a while though--since he's already done 3 GU games in three weeks. Last season he did 4 of our BE games and 2 non-conf...he's up to 2 BE and 1 non-conf right now. Best to just grind our teeth now and move on tomorrow.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jan 17, 2009 21:20:57 GMT -5
Thanks FL and fso. That's what I figured. Still a shame.
Best to move on and pray that Greg doesn't let it linger.
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Post by showcase on Jan 17, 2009 21:25:07 GMT -5
That's a very thoughtful post, FL, but I disagree to an extent. I don't see the decision to tech up a particular player (rather than the bench) as a 50/50 call, particularly if you don't see the player jawing at you. In a loud environment, with your back to the bench, there's just no basis to be assigning a foul to a particular individual. Donato was at least looking at the action when he made his judgment call, so he had all the relevant evidence in front of him. Cahill's technical just seemed like lashing out.
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Post by moe09 on Jan 17, 2009 21:31:03 GMT -5
I mean, that has to be far and away one of the worst calls in college basketball this season. Playing/watching basketball my whole life I don't recall a technical foul being called on a player on the bench when the ref wasn't conversing directly with or looking at the player. Unbelievable.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 17, 2009 21:34:34 GMT -5
Let's see your Best Player is on the Bench with Foul Trouble and out of the coach and 10 players, the Ref just happens to pick that one player for the T. Lucky Coincidence? What are the odds of that happening.
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Post by PushyGuyFanClub on Jan 17, 2009 21:39:24 GMT -5
Wallace was out of bounds when that foul was called, so it was either a foul or 'Nova should have had the ball with time left on the clock. Moreover, Donato was actually looking at the play.
Other than those two things, the comparison above is spot on.
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