nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Feb 3, 2005 0:30:27 GMT -5
I'm not hating on the band. I know you guys are loud and the music has really been upgraded the last couple years. But there's a good case for moving the band BECAUSE they are loud and enthusiastic. It's not about knocking the band, but trying to spread the noise around the arena and giving a little more floor space to students.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 3, 2005 0:41:30 GMT -5
I'm not hating on the band. I know you guys are loud and the music has really been upgraded the last couple years. But there's a good case for moving the band BECAUSE they are loud and enthusiastic. It's not about knocking the band, but trying to spread the noise around the arena and giving a little more floor space to students. I definitely wouldn't be opposed to moving to the side or something, we'd be able to stretch the student section and their cheers. But there is no way that georgetown or the mci center would but us in what would normally be a non-student section. We can't move back because of the percussion equipment. Also that'd be unfair to the band members to say that at every game they don't even get a chance to sit near the front like all the other students can. Like I said, moving us over a little bit isn't the problem. Questioning our loyalty and saying that we're worthless is.
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Post by MEGAFAN on Feb 3, 2005 0:48:29 GMT -5
As far as the whole Media Sluts and Hoya Blue thing goes, being from the class of '99/'00 (Go 5 year program!), I for one can speak directly to the issue of both the media sluts and Hoya Blue.
First of all, they were called media sluts, not because they dressed up (like this years' passionate front row crew) but because often they couldn't name the starting five, their costumes were totally irrelevant, and they thought they had the right to move up to the front row for big televised games and BE games, but were no where to be found for most of the season or after the Hoyas started losing. Several of the media sluts were in fact members of Hoya Blue, and Hoya Blue itself started in part as a group that cheered for Soccer and Football, and included many girls whose main interest was in jocking the athletes (not that there's anything wrong with that), and weren't even that passionate about basketball.
I don't want to belabor this, as I'm sure I have posted on this many times (on the original board), but I was a guy who sat in the front row/s of the student section for almost every single game. Sometimes I couldn't even drag friends out with me, and I would be sitting there, 11:30am on a Saturday, hung over, with a beer in hand, and shouting like crazy when the Hoyas first came out. A few times I think I really scared Ronny Thompson and other assistants, who must have thought - this guy's crazy! But I digress. A few times, but one imparticular, I showed up extra early (as usual) to a decent game, I think it may have been the Louisville game (a game in which I helped lead the first MCI court rush ever, along with Giga!), and the front two rows were taped off with Blue tape. Not only was almost noone there, including most of the band, but I was quite upset by this. What did I do? Well, if you knew me, you would know. I just casually tore off the tape, and sat in my usual seat. Of course, only a couple minutes passed, and MCI security was harassing me, and a few Hoya Blue people arrived, and they said, "excuse me, these seats are reserved." And I was like "Unless they're reserved for some big-time donors or the president or faculty or something, I'm not moving." Hoya Blue guy responds, "they're for the 'official' Hoya support club, Hoya Blue" and proceeds to ask the security guard to move me. I almost get thrown out, and there's a big discussion, but alas, I reinforced that all Hoya Blue did was bring some blue tape and seal off the first couple of rows. A woman security guard, supported me, and I was like unless you get the ticket managers and co. out here, I'm sitting where I want to, and where I sit every game. Luckily, the woman guard knew me, and I got the seats.
Now, I may have been a senior or super senior, I can't remember (and Hoya Blue was started by mostly members of '00, so I was older then them anyways), but I do think this is different than the debate over seniors sitting in the front. If there was a university sanctioned policy, that on a specific game, seniors had reserved seats, than I would respect it, but this was not the case. Furthermore, I have always advocated a system that was either based on seniorty and/or attendance. I think that since they scan tickets and have the data, really students and all season ticket holders should be rewarded for filling their seats, and consequently get better seats either during or for the next season based on their record. Even if they can't make the game, they should fill their seats and get someone there.
Well, I don't know what my point is here, but I would like to add that you young guys don't even know what arriving early is. When we played in Landover, you had to drive, or like me, with no car as a freshman, take the subway and a $25 cab ride, in order to beat the busses, and get a first 5-10 row seat. I once beat all the busses to a UConn game, and still didn't sit in the front row, and got there at least 1.5 hours before tipoff. So in as much as we don't have the greatest school spirit, arena or student section, if we are able to start winning big-time, and make runs at the final four, etc., you will see that it will not only get harder to sit closer, but that attendance will not be as big an issue. With all that said, I think we need to take advantage of the next Hoya resurgence, build an on-campus arena, and raise money for the Hoop Club while the iron is hot, assuming it gets hot in the next couple of years...
LET'S GO HOYAS!!! ROLLOVER RUTGERS AT THE RAC!
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 3, 2005 1:11:32 GMT -5
I am a big proponent of some sort of points system to reward fans for showing up to many games and giving them primo spots for the big ones. They have something like this at Stanford. I'd like to see it at Georgetown, I think it would help solve some problems, and give students more incentive to attend the so-called "nothing" games.
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Joe Hoya
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Post by Joe Hoya on Feb 3, 2005 1:21:40 GMT -5
I'm one of the first people to start the you you you chant in the entire student section. Oh, so that's YOUR fault. Dumbest...chant...EVERRRRRRR.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 3, 2005 1:37:04 GMT -5
Oh, so that's YOUR fault. Dumbest...chant...EVERRRRRRR. If you've ever been to the big east tournament you'd know that almost every school's fan section there does that cheer. Hoya Blue used to have it on their cheer sheets, so I guess you have an issue with them too. It's a cheer that's been happening at Georgetown for more years than I've been around and I just happen to be one of the first people to react after a foul because I'm paying attention to the game.
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Post by TheCashew05 on Feb 3, 2005 1:42:47 GMT -5
If you've ever been to the big east tournament you'd know that almost every school's fan section there does that cheer. Hoya Blue used to have it on their cheer sheets, so I guess you have an issue with them too. It's a cheer that's been happening at Georgetown for more years than I've been around and I just happen to be one of the first people to react after a foul because I'm paying attention to the game. Can't we think up something a little more original? The chant really is pretty weak.
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Post by Hoyabliu on Feb 3, 2005 1:48:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it's not the greatest cheer, but it's really simple to catch on to. And until we get the student section to be more responsive to a simple cheer like that, I don't see any more luck w/ a better or more original cheer.
go hoyas!
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Joe Hoya
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Post by Joe Hoya on Feb 3, 2005 2:56:34 GMT -5
If you've ever been to the big east tournament you'd know that almost every school's fan section there does that cheer. Hoya Blue used to have it on their cheer sheets, so I guess you have an issue with them too. It's a cheer that's been happening at Georgetown for more years than I've been around and I just happen to be one of the first people to react after a foul because I'm paying attention to the game. It isn't just the Big East. I hear it in the background when I'm watching games across the country. And yes, it's stupid everywhere.
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Post by Jtown on Feb 3, 2005 3:06:34 GMT -5
Jmac made that stupid "You You You..." cheer good... just add "Bi***" on the end... an instant hit.
By the way... y'all whine way too much.
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hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Feb 3, 2005 8:48:12 GMT -5
Here's an idea to increase noise/intimidation at MCI. Move the Band away from the front! I don't mean to knock the band, but the middle school band we had for the UConn game was rowdier than they were. Anything is better than having them upfront. The band isn't going to moved for simple reason that the Band stood by the team in the lean years. As Thompson the Elder said in his final Hoya Hoops Club Dinner speech (the year he gave the reigns to Esherick) "There were games were all we had was the band." And I don't know about yesterday's game, or this year, but the band has historically been as rowdy as any fans in the place, if you want specfic war stories, I can provide them. As for the buffer section behind the band, that is because on several occassions students have stormed the court by running through the band, causing injury and hundreds of dollars of damage in the process. Not quite sure what to do about that.
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 3, 2005 9:03:04 GMT -5
To quote Coach, "There were games when all we had were the damn band." (Hoop Club Banquet, 1999). Or even before that, "If it weren't for the band, this ******* school wouldn't have much." (Leaving the US Air Arena floor, 1996 or 97)
I've done this tango a time or two before, and at 9 am on a Thursday i don't really feel like getting into it again. Fact is, there have been some pretty dark times in the last few years when, but for the band in the front rows at MCI, the student section would have been empty because there weren't enough to fill out the lower tier, much less the entire student section.
The band was in the front rows at US Air as well--the "invasion" into the front rows of MCI seems much greater by comparison because, I believe, US Air was a little wider along the baseline. Moreover, those press tables and the Young Alums section now take up one whole side of MCI. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in US Air and also in MCI prior to 2001 or 02, the students had both sides of the arena. If you're looking for someone to move, why not those garish press tables?
And as for cheering--well, back in my day, it was pretty much the band leading cheers in the student section (I had weekly bouts with laryngitis (sp?) due to those efforts) in conjunction with the dedicated hardcore student fans that showed up (all 30 of them). I think it is GREAT that so many more students are turning out these days, and certainly don't want to take away from their presence or support of the Hoyas. But as has been said many times, those kids in the band play their hearts out -- not just for the men but for women and football as well -- and all for a hot dog and a diet coke. Giving them a decent seat in the arena seems like the least one can do.
As for the Media Sluts--the "originals" can and should be venerated because they were about team support and spirit. They were at every game and cheered whether things were going well or poorly. The posers that would show up for only the ESPN or CBS games and paint their chests and get belligerently drunk, by contrast, were plain idiots.
But I have to say one thing--it warms my heart to see the ol band debates flaring up again--it means that the Hoyas are doing well enough that we can focus on these sorts of things!
Hoya Saxa, and GO GU BAND!
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 3, 2005 10:51:27 GMT -5
MEGA, I also bumrushed security to storm the court vs Louisville. Great game!!! Perry's shot was like butter. I remember there being about two dozen people up front, all a little two liquored up for a Tuesday (I think?) and we were all hopping up and down as we made that comeback.
I remember sharing a six pack with a couple friends as we walked back across the key bridge from the Metro...and we had a feeling we hadn't felt at GU -- the sweet aftermath of a victory.
As they say, "you had me at hello" georgetown, you had me at hello.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 3, 2005 10:53:04 GMT -5
Harbin, college is about liquor, all alumni events, all college events, all socializing revolves around liquor. Go to an alumni event or any social event...they all revolve around liquor. Do I agree with it? Not really. Is it a reality in our society? Yes. I'm afraid its pretty much a staple in our culture and it's hard to convince people otherwise. Why fight it when it's just going to alienate alumni and future alumni? Trust me a lot of younger alumni and older alumni are EditedED about the lack of a real homecoming...and will never attend again after the most recent debacles. I agree that it is hard for a university to stand up for alcohol drenched traditions, but to dismantle them and replace them with NOTHING risks alienating (already has happened) a large sector of the alumni.
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Post by tgo on Feb 3, 2005 11:03:42 GMT -5
as someone who has been to the last 13 BET's and every game while i was a student in the 90s, the band has always been very loud and into the game.
i am curious to know how early you have to get to MCI these days to get a front or close to front row seat?
I am sure it was easier in my day at the Crap Centre to get a great seat since we had both baselines to choose from and you could sit on the opposite side of the court from the band if you didnt like becoming partially deaf from sitting near them. But then again, for a game against the likes of Cuse or USUCK we had to arrive 2 hours before game time after an hour long bus ride and run through the building when they opened the doors to get a prime seat.
when do you arrive now?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 3, 2005 12:29:16 GMT -5
as someone who has been to the last 13 BET's and every game while i was a student in the 90s, the band has always been very loud and into the game. i am curious to know how early you have to get to MCI these days to get a front or close to front row seat? I am sure it was easier in my day at the Crap Centre to get a great seat since we had both baselines to choose from and you could sit on the opposite side of the court from the band if you didnt like becoming partially deaf from sitting near them. But then again, for a game against the likes of Cuse or USUCK we had to arrive 2 hours before game time after an hour long bus ride and run through the building when they opened the doors to get a prime seat. when do you arrive now? I got to MCI at 5:30 (left Gtown on the 5pm GUTS bus then took the metro from Dupont) and 007 and the other kid that came with us were the first ones there. Usually if you get there 2 hours before tip and half an hour before the 1st bus leaves, you'll be among the first ones there and get 1st or 2nd row seats.
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