Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 2, 2005 17:05:55 GMT -5
just to let you know senior week still does exist, beach week just does not exist in between so that should end that confusion. As far as most of your post I agree with it although I find it a bit wierd that you parodied a quote written about the Holocaust to refer to the taking away of block party. I think that block party should be brought back, but one less day of 4 hours worth of boozing wasnt something I necessarily feel was lacking in my college career although I did get to attend the last block party which was cool. Anyway, go seniors tonight. Fill the stands and get loud. I totally understand tgo's attitude. Sure he went a bit overboard, but its all true. The administration, whether intentionally or by chance systematically demolished much of the school spirit over the last decade. They did so by cleaning up the big social events on the calendar... Sure, you can argue rationally about how its not a big deal that they took away beach week or compacted senior week or roped off homecoming tighter than a WTO meeting or took away both block partys (that's right there used to be one in the fall and the spring) or shut down the pub or stopped having senior tent events on the lawn due to noise complaints....but the logic that those aren't healthy social gatherings doesn't hold much water with your average college senior. Hell, I'm still disgruntled about it...as I see it I got royally robbed by the administration. I mean on top of losing all these long held traditions at Georgetown, we watched our basketball team fall into complete irrelevance. I mean, sure some of these traditions were probably unhealthy, but what good tradition isn't? Especially in college...and to take them away and replace them with nothing was one of the things I may never forgive Georgetown for. It is for this reason that I wholeheartedly support any attempt to recreate or reestablish traditions...no matter how contrived or ridiculous. The admin has already tried or succeeded in killing off all the real ones, so we might as well have some new ones.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2005 17:06:31 GMT -5
just to let you know senior week still does exist, beach week just does not exist in between so that should end that confusion. As far as most of your post I agree with it although I find it a bit wierd that you parodied a quote written about the Holocaust to refer to the taking away of block party. I think that block party should be brought back, but one less day of 4 hours worth of boozing wasnt something I necessarily feel was lacking in my college career although I did get to attend the last block party which was cool. Anyway, go seniors tonight. Fill the stands and get loud. Block parties were still going on when I was there, but got ruined halfway thru, when they got rid of the live music and other stuff to do at them. As much as I enjoyed fighting with underclassmen for beer, there really was no point to them when they "controlled" them. Senior week now, as I understand it, is nothing quite like it used to be. I'm sad I missed the Pub (missing even the weak Leavy Pub), and students should be sad they are missing real block parties, real homecoming and real senior week.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Feb 2, 2005 17:26:00 GMT -5
While I didn't get to partake in the original Pub, I wouldn't exactly call the Leavey Center version "weak" by any means. You should know better to comment on things you don't know about. Come on SF, get with the program. The beer was always flowing, usually for free. That doesn't sound weak to me.
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Feb 2, 2005 17:26:12 GMT -5
I by no means was saying that I didnt miss those things, just that this debate goes on every year. When I was at school, I graduated in 2003, we fought for getting those things back every year. But its hard when you fight for something for 4 years and it doesnt really move forward and then you graduate and the next kids argue about the same stuff you just spent time fighting for. From the admins perspective, they know that you are going to graduate, so they will just give you lip service and meet with you etc but never really move on changing it because they know you have too many other things going on to focus on those issue. That said, I think it is very hard in a year in which two students have died, one has been shot in the head, they have had a slew of robberies etc for the admin to take on anything that they might deem as inappropriate or dangerous. I am not trying to argue in any way that any of those events are alcohol related, but that is an automatic assumption of those from the community and parents etc, so when you have an irate parent calling up and pressing charges etc because their son or daughter has been injured or killed on campus its hard to turn around and give in to students who are requesting more drinking events that cater to the underage population.
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Post by ShimmyJr on Feb 2, 2005 17:26:23 GMT -5
And 007, TBird...welcome to the "Premier Level of Douchitude". It's a realm that I believe only I have inhabited, and there is plenty of room for more. There can be much honor in Editedness. Congratulations. Well said Joe - I will not argue that the PLD is rarefied air...I will lobby for a halftime recognition ceremony for you guys when we play Edited Tech
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Post by ShimmyJr on Feb 2, 2005 17:31:55 GMT -5
Seriously - man i have to say 2001 was the last real GU experience - Champs was bumpin and Louis let anyone in because he knew they were going to get closed down at any time w/o an alcohol renewal, homecoming was still in A parking lot, even if it wasn't in THE parking lot...block party had just been shut down thanks to that [EDITED] Gonzalez - i actually wrote all the editorials on The Hoya about them destroying two unbelievable GU traditions - if anyone cares - check back...spring of 2001...and we had senior week with all the events, followed by a week in myrtle beach.. those the days and i know i just used the SH word, but ...those were the days man...i'm old...and sad.
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Feb 2, 2005 17:33:23 GMT -5
I cant believe sometimes that I sound like this as I am not by any means an "adult" or "authority" figure, im only 24, but one thing that really ticked me off is that while I was at gtown, as someone who was involved in a lot of things extracurricularly and on committees etc, we would always hear from students, bring back block party or fight to bring back the on campus pub etc etc and the excuse would always be that people wanted "community building events" and that the sense of "community" was gone from campus, but they if we ever ran non alcholic programming that people could get together for or participate in, i.e. a show or a game etc, no one would show up and people wouldnt be interested. So that means that they crux of the argument surrounds more drinking related events. Now I am the first to tell you, I enjoy a beer with friends and having a crazy night out just like the next guy, but it would always sort of reinforce what the admin was saying when we couldnt get 10 people out to a pizza and movie event or a free improv performance or an international dinner, yet we would constantly ask for a tent party. THey sort of have a point there.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2005 17:37:04 GMT -5
While I didn't get to partake in the original Pub, I wouldn't exactly call the Leavey Center version "weak" by any means. You should know better to comment on things you don't know about. Come on SF, get with the program. The beer was always flowing, usually for free. That doesn't sound weak to me. A rare McBricks post. I must've offended his honor. I'm merely parroting those who swear the Leavey version was nothing in comparison to the Copley version. To quote on of the greatest movies of all time: "We can't pick up Sloane in your car. Mr. Rooney would never believe Mr. Peterson drives that piece of sh**. Not a "piece of sh**." It is a piece of sh**. Don't worry about it. I don't even have a piece of sh**. I have to envy yours."
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ShimmyJr
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Post by ShimmyJr on Feb 2, 2005 17:37:18 GMT -5
I cant believe sometimes that I sound like this as I am not by any means an "adult" or "authority" figure, im only 24, but one thing that really ticked me off is that while I was at gtown, as someone who was involved in a lot of things extracurricularly and on committees etc, we would always hear from students, bring back block party or fight to bring back the on campus pub etc etc and the excuse would always be that people wanted "community building events" and that the sense of "community" was gone from campus, but they if we ever ran non alcholic programming that people could get together for or participate in, i.e. a show or a game etc, no one would show up and people wouldnt be interested. So that means that they crux of the argument surrounds more drinking related events. Now I am the first to tell you, I enjoy a beer with friends and having a crazy night out just like the next guy, but it would always sort of reinforce what the admin was saying when we couldnt get 10 people out to a pizza and movie event or a free improv performance or an international dinner, yet we would constantly ask for a tent party. THey sort of have a point there. Booooooooooo! Harbin Hoya -- you are aging before my eyes...this is college man! not some dinner party... Dude Dan McQizzel is going to boot us from the board, so gohoyasimout!
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Post by TheCashew05 on Feb 2, 2005 18:14:33 GMT -5
Here's an idea to increase noise/intimidation at MCI. Move the Band away from the front!
Let me explain: I think the biggest issue for the student section is cheering loudly together. You have the first 3 rows, whether they're media sluts or not, who cheer hard, followed by 6 or 7 rows of kids who are afraid to yell (who are these kids? they don't even wear "we are georgetown" shirts most of the time and look oddly at you if you drink a beer in the front section). Then you have the mid to upper sections who cheer hard as well, but on their own.
Aside from getting the passive middle people out of the way, which will hopefully one day happen, I think moving the band away from the front would be a solid move. Maybe reserve the section for seniors, who I guarantee you, can be very, very rowdy. You could get more students in front, get them cheering loudly so the rest of the section could hear them, and have a student section chanting in unison. Do many other schools have the band directly up front?
I don't mean to knock the band, but the middle school band we had for the UConn game was rowdier than they were. Anything is better than having them upfront.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Feb 2, 2005 18:16:04 GMT -5
Suh, I am offended! The Leavy Pub was great in its day.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2005 18:18:17 GMT -5
Suh, I am offended! The Leavy Pub was great in its day. See my response to McBricks. I meant not to offend. i rescind my remarks and kindly ask for forgiveness.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Feb 2, 2005 18:56:32 GMT -5
Consider your forgiveness granted. If only the Bus Stop had beers for the price of the Leavey Pub. ;D
I'll see you Saturday...Can you get Oleg to send out an email this time?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2005 18:59:49 GMT -5
Consider your forgiveness granted. If only the Bus Stop had beers for the price of the Leavey Pub. ;D I'll see you Saturday...Can you get Oleg to send out an email this time? Will try.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 2, 2005 23:27:45 GMT -5
By way of providing closure:
What ultimately happened was that the Senior Section ended up being rows 6-10.
The Seniors there looked like they were into the game. The other fans looked like they were into the game. Lots of people came dressed in retro gear. Lots of people came drunk off retro beer. A good time was had by all. The section was the most full so far this year. Hopefully more kids will come back next time.
And the whole contentious issue at the center of this thread...the one that prompted all the nastiness and threatening of fights and accusations of holier than thouness and unworthy fandom and Media Whoreness...was ultimately a non-issue.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 3, 2005 0:07:09 GMT -5
Here's an idea to increase noise/intimidation at MCI. Move the Band away from the front! Let me explain: I think the biggest issue for the student section is cheering loudly together. You have the first 3 rows, whether they're media sluts or not, who cheer hard, followed by 6 or 7 rows of kids who are afraid to yell (who are these kids? they don't even wear "we are georgetown" shirts most of the time and look oddly at you if you drink a beer in the front section). Then you have the mid to upper sections who cheer hard as well, but on their own. Aside from getting the passive middle people out of the way, which will hopefully one day happen, I think moving the band away from the front would be a solid move. Maybe reserve the section for seniors, who I guarantee you, can be very, very rowdy. You could get more students in front, get them cheering loudly so the rest of the section could hear them, and have a student section chanting in unison. Do many other schools have the band directly up front? I don't mean to knock the band, but the middle school band we had for the UConn game was rowdier than they were. Anything is better than having them upfront. As a four year member of the band I take huge offense to this. At some games, we almost outnumber the student section. I've gone to 99% of the home games the last four years and have gone crazy every single one. I'm one of the first people to start the you you you chant in the entire student section. I specifically stand near the aisle so that with every play I can tackle the guy in front of me. I can't believe you would say that that's not as rowdy as the guys that sit across from me in the student section holding a beer and sometimes yelling profanities. We go to every football game. We go to every women's basketball game. We go to every men's game leaving 2 hours before the game. I have never had a traditional spring break trip because the school sends me to the big east tournament the day of the Hoyas game and then send us back to campus as soon as they lose (which for the last couple years has been a pretty quick turnaround). And at the UConn game, the only reason the middle school band was there was because the school wouldn't open up the dorms for us to move back early. Please don't question the loyalty of the band. If you were really that loyal and rowdy you would get to the game early enough to be in the front like 007. And to answer your last question, yes other schools have their band in the front as well.
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Post by Hoyabliu on Feb 3, 2005 0:07:49 GMT -5
Here's an idea to increase noise/intimidation at MCI. Move the Band away from the front! Let me explain: I think the biggest issue for the student section is cheering loudly together. You have the first 3 rows, whether they're media sluts or not, who cheer hard, followed by 6 or 7 rows of kids who are afraid to yell (who are these kids? they don't even wear "we are georgetown" shirts most of the time and look oddly at you if you drink a beer in the front section). Then you have the mid to upper sections who cheer hard as well, but on their own. Aside from getting the passive middle people out of the way, which will hopefully one day happen, I think moving the band away from the front would be a solid move. Maybe reserve the section for seniors, who I guarantee you, can be very, very rowdy. You could get more students in front, get them cheering loudly so the rest of the section could hear them, and have a student section chanting in unison. Do many other schools have the band directly up front? I don't mean to knock the band, but the middle school band we had for the UConn game was rowdier than they were. Anything is better than having them upfront. Dumb post. Maybe I'm being biased (yeah, i probably am, given the fact that I'm in the band), but saying that anything is better than having us up front is a great way to not "knock the band". And you really can't compare us to the middle school band at the UConn game. Aside from a very depleted student section, they were basically the only other source of student support so they're naturally going to be louder. You'd understand if you've been to a women's bball game. Compared to most students, I think the band is pretty rowdy. Yeah, we could always be rowdier, but you can say that for almost the entire student section other than the first few rows. And we're students too, we cheer along w/ the rest of the students in the front row. Regardless, I don't think moving the band back is going to happen given all the equipment that we have. I do think we could give up the 2-3 rows directly behind the band in order to make us seem more cohesive w/ the rest of the students, but from past experience, the students who have sneaked into those seats are usually beligerent and just want to mess w/ our instruments. We'll see what happens. I just don't expect us being moved any time soon, but who knows. go hoyas!!
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Feb 3, 2005 0:18:38 GMT -5
See my response to McBricks. I meant not to offend. i rescind my remarks and kindly ask for forgiveness. Suh, you are forgiven for quoting one of the greatest movies ever made. "Hi! Do you speak English?" "Eh...what country do you think this is?"
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 3, 2005 0:26:22 GMT -5
I understand that you are chomping at the bit here, but as a freshman it's time for you to just relax and let the seniors have their one freakin day. To put it in persective, it's not like they gave them those seats for a game like Cuse or UConn or even ND...it's Seton Hall and it wasn't going to be on TV originally. Second, I feel bad for present day seniors...they don't have block party, tailgating is curbed, there is no pub on campus and Champs is a hip "lounge" now while the Tombs is getting inundated with underclassmen...I mean come on, give them one night. They don't get much anymore. First off-next person to call me a freshman gets it. I'm a juinor. Which means that I started following the Hoyas during my senior year of high school(the same year most of this years senior class did) and I've been front rowing it since the end of freshman year. Oh, and I don't get any of the fun stuff that yall are listing either. Secondly, why is drunkness among fans celebrated? I don't care if you choose to drink during the game, but is that better than someone who can get rowdy and loud without drinking? Finally, I'd like to think I'm not a media whore, as I had just as much face paint on against Citadel as I did tonight. I have more "fun" in the front row w/ face paint than anywhere else. So I didn't like the idea of being prevented from being in the front row. If I came off as a [edited] w/ by saying I'd riot, well, maybe yall should chill out-it was more of a joke than a threat. I wouldn't actually start a fight w/ another Hoya. I can't speak for 007, however
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 3, 2005 0:29:58 GMT -5
I'm not meaning to imply anyone is a media whore. Frankly, I doubt people on this board are. Just that there was a crew that definitely was -- and they used to get the front row roped off, and were not exactly the best fans.
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