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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 3, 2008 20:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jun 3, 2008 20:44:34 GMT -5
Good luck big guy...
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 3, 2008 20:54:42 GMT -5
ANyone share the feeling he'll do better as a pro?
Won't have constant double and triple teams.
Will have guards and forwards who can make an entry pass.
Won't be focus of his team's offense (or opponents defense).
Will have much more open floor to work with.
Does need to get stronger and tougher.
But those moves down low? The hook? That's tough to stop. Especially since he can also step outside and drain them.
My guess? Roy is going to be in the league for 10 years or more. Long after most of these other draft picks are gone.
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Post by bmartin on Jun 3, 2008 22:15:56 GMT -5
It may cost Roy money up front to drop out of the lottery, but it may be a blessing in disguise to get on a good team and a good organization that knows how to use him. No one is talking about what a great screener Roy is. Any team with good shooters should have Roy setting off ball screens and then posting up.
Remember the end of the game at Nova last year, where JTIII set up Roy, Jeff, and Jon on the one side of the court? Roy set the screen for Jon to get the in bounds pass, then set the screen for Jeff to get the ball on the wing, and then posted up and when the defender chose to stay on him rather than come out Jeff hit the game winner.
Remember Roy's screen to free Jon for the tying three against UNC?
Roy will do a lot of that kind of play in the NBA if he is on a good team with a good coach.
Also, if Roy does not go in the lottery, I hope he will meanery up against the teams that take Lopezes or other lesser big men ahead of him.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 3, 2008 22:40:41 GMT -5
agree greatly sir saxa hell be a much better in the pro with alot of upside go hoyas GO ROY ROY ROY we are georgetown
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 3, 2008 22:41:11 GMT -5
I know it's a different sport, but still...Mike Piazza was drafted as a favor to his dad. Draft positions mean very little. Once these guys hit the floor, you see who belongs where. Brooks Lopez will be home coaching an AAU team when Roy is still consistently contributing to an NBA team.
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 3, 2008 22:45:38 GMT -5
ANyone share the feeling he'll do better as a pro? Honestly no. He got pushed around last year because seemingly everyone was stronger than he was. They aren't getting any weaker at the next level. I think the bottom half of the first round is the right place for him. He'll be a contributor, but he's not going to be a standout in the league unless he really commits to adding strength and continues to improve lateral quickness. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 4, 2008 0:28:34 GMT -5
Disagree about being pushed around. He played in arguably the toughest league with the best collection of big men and didn't get bullied by anyone. Not Thabeet. Not Luke of ND. Not Padgett or the kid from USF. Not the dude at Syracuse. Nor did he get pushed around by the likes of Gray, Oden, Noah or Horford. (not to mention by all reports last summer he had his way with the Lopez brothers in one of those big man camps but since none of us were witness to it I guess that's not the best example). He may not have always dominated but in these match ups he at least held his own. Roy concedes position in the paint more than he should but no one beats him up. The closest he has had to being beat up was at Memphis and even that game proves my point because that is more about what he refuses to do sometimes rather than what others do to him. If one can make shots at a high clip against the likes of an Oden, Thabeet or Gray then the 6'6 Dorsey should not intimidate you from taking a shot. True Roy does have to get physically stronger (what college player doesn't). He has to work on both upper body strength and lower body strength. And working on his stamina is a major priority. Everything else though that needs fine tuning with him is strictly mental. Being aggressive instead of being passive. Being a little bit more nasty out there and more confident. And arguably being more selfish too. And there's no certainty that he will overcome that aspect of the game. Its the area that concerns me the most. One thing for certain he will be used differently and asked to play more of a true center role. Its amazing that some announcers (and it appears some Hoya fans) kept questioning why he kept leaving the paint when III"s offense required him to do so. He wasn't playing in JT Jr's offense where the center could just set up shop all day and wait for the ball. He had to play in an offense that asked him to continually move, to go out high and set screens, to open up the lane by moving to the high post, etc. Its the same thing Jeff Green had to do when he played the five for III. I'm not too worried about his lateral quickness because he doesn't get burned nearly as much as some of you suggest considering he's a 7'2 guy that should have no business defending guards on the perimeter. But most importantly when guarding other big men, even ones more athletically gifted, he keeps up with them and stays between them and the basket. That's what I require of my centers. Now running the floor with them on a fast break opportunity is a different story.... I look forward to seeing what he can do at the next level. Because after spending some time reviewing his progression from his freshman year to his senior year I've noticed that his best games are often when he is being guarded by one lone big man rather than a collapsing defense of much smaller defenders. And in the NBA that's the type of defense he will come across. What he lacks in overall quickness and athleticism (which is often a very overrated quality in the NBA, especially in the halfcourt) he makes up for in other areas. Footwork. Basketball IQ. Legit go-to moves. The ability to use either hand. Passing. Size. A soft shooting touch. Faceup skills. A willingness to work. And great, soft hands. The fact that some internet scouts claim that he has bad hands prove how uninformed people in general are about Roy. Finally, and what I will say will be seen as blasphemous in some corners, I feel he goes to the NBA with no more questions of his ability to play at the next level than Jeff. Ridiculous you say? After all Jeff was a top five pick, right? True but Jeff left when the iron was hot, when the Hoyas had had such tremendous success in the post season and that alone could bump a player ten spots or more in a draft (lets also not forget that quite a few sites, like draftexpress, had Jeff as a late lottery pick at best.....even John Thompson JR was surprised Jeff went as high as #5). But getting back to the question marks I and maybe a handful of others worried about...they were 1)what was Jeff's position at the next level? 2)was he strong enough or tall enough to play PF? 3)was he quick enough to play SF? 4)Would he have good enough handle to be effective at the NBA level? 5)Was his outside jumper reliable enough? 6)Was he fast enough to guard small forwards or did he have enough strength to defend NBA big men in the paint? 7)was his passing ability overrated because his assist total came about mostly via the Princeton principles such as backdoor cuts ? 8)could he develop a pullup jumper off the move? 9)could he rebound better at the next level and 10) could he adjust to the speed of the NBA game after years playing the more methodical Princeton-like pace at the college level? These were all legit questions and only Hoya fans lacking objectivity said otherwise. And despite Green being named to All Rookie team there are still a good percentage of NBA fans (even those whose loyalty are to the Sonics) who still wonder about the very aspects of his game that I questioned above. For example lots of folks were so surprised that Jeff wasn't accumulating loads of assists as his rookie season progressed. They thought that would be his greatest strength. Defenders of Green on this board suggested it was the result of NBA players not moving without the ball enough to get easy baskets when Jeff spotted them. Reality though in the NBA says that a natural creator creates those opportunities regardless. Some Sonic fans were even surprised that Green made All Rookie First Team and these are people who caught nearly every game. Still others of course think his inclusion was well-deserved. I personally thought he ended the season strong enough to deserve that honor. Maybe the truth is that all players have question marks and very few are slam dunk, can't-miss prospects. This year the only one who made be a slam dunk is Rose but personally I still have questions about his game although of course I'm in a very small minority.  When it comes to big men in this draft outside of Beasley (if you consider him a big man) there is not one with enough necessary tools that make me say "this guy is definitely a better pick than Roy". Not one. Last year I could say that about Oden and possibly Big Al of Florida. This time around all of them either have a bunch of flaws and/or a bunch of question marks. I suppose I like Roy's prospects a s pro better than most here. I definitely think he is going to be better than a few of the big men picked ahead of him. But can I say that for certain? Probably not |
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Post by moe09 on Jun 4, 2008 6:15:02 GMT -5
Wow, can I just post MCI's post and try to claim it as my own? Ditto.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jun 4, 2008 8:57:47 GMT -5
Physically stronger yes. Mentally stronger is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. (that doesn't mean refusing to shake hands or being a self proclaimed "animal.") He has to commit himself, mentally, to go out and work hard, physically. If he does not think he can do it, or isn't willing to put in the work to improve on his weaknesses (i.e. strength, establishing position, finishing strong, defensive foot speed)... he won't get better. IF he does put the effort forth, he will be very good.
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Dajuan Blair pushed him around a little bit too. But also that was Roy failing to establish position, as he often let Blair just step around him to break up entry passes. roy's gotta widen his base.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Jun 4, 2008 9:43:38 GMT -5
roy's gotta widen his base. just like his "good friend" barack obama! |
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Post by kchoya on Jun 4, 2008 10:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by FOTP on Jun 4, 2008 12:12:20 GMT -5
Roy falls no lower than the Wizards at #16...
Roy is going to be a better pro. Easy.
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Post by moe09 on Jun 4, 2008 13:11:56 GMT -5
Can someone explain this quote about Brook Lopez from DraftExpress to me?
"What might concern some are his combine numbers, 12.77 in the lane agility drills, which ranks as the 5th worst total in our database according to the limited numbers that are at our disposal. He did slightly better (just 9th worst) in the ¾ court sprint, though, which confirms what we’ve seen on film—that he runs the floor north to south very well, but is not a very fluid or agile player going east/west. "
If he was 9th worst ever in their database, how does that confirm that he runs the floor north to south very well? Is it simply because he wasn't 5th worst, like in the agility drill? Who the hell is analyzing this crap? Monkeys with computers?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 4, 2008 13:40:09 GMT -5
another example of stupid analysis of those numbers:
"Seems just about everybody is shorter than they are supposed to be ... except Brook Lopez.
That's the lesson from the official measurements taken at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp last week in Orlando. If you want to see the numbers, click this link and check out the page put together by DraftExpress.com. Among the important revelations were that Michael Beasley is 6-foot-7 without shoes, and Kevin Love isn't quite 6-8. ..and the aforementioned Lopez is indeed a tad over 7-feet (in shoes)."
so let me get this straight love and beasley aren't legit because of their heights w/o shoes but lopez is because of his hight in shoes? that makes no sense. If he's 7 ft in shoes that means he's not 7ft w/o shoes therefore he also doesn't live up to his supposed height.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 4, 2008 14:07:18 GMT -5
Physically stronger yes. Mentally stronger is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT. (that doesn't mean refusing to shake hands or being a self proclaimed "animal.") He has to commit himself, mentally, to go out and work hard, physically. If he does not think he can do it, or isn't willing to put in the work to improve on his weaknesses (i.e. strength, establishing position, finishing strong, defensive foot speed)... he won't get better. IF he does put the effort forth, he will be very good. That is true Hoyalawyer, but if there is one thing that Roy has demonstrated during his 4 years at GU, he is all about "putting in the work" to improve his athleticism, endurance and game. "work ethic" is not a question mark for Roy. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 4, 2008 17:03:01 GMT -5
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Post by moe09 on Jun 4, 2008 18:17:05 GMT -5
Great article.
"People said I would have gone higher in the draft last year, but mentally, I don't think I was ready," Hibbert said. "Physically, I don't think I was ready. I think I'm more mentally and physically ready this year as opposed to any other year.
"And you can tell: These workouts are no joke at all. It would have been tough for me last year. But I think that going back for my senior year, maybe not having the best season people would think, but I learned a lot."
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Post by hoyas4life on Jun 4, 2008 22:35:49 GMT -5
4 minute interview from after Roy's Jazz workout today
He's working out with Sacramento then Seattle in the next few days.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 4, 2008 23:09:57 GMT -5
4 minute interview from after Roy's Jazz workout today He's working out with Sacramento then Seattle in the next few days. Very good find. Roy appears...I don't know..."older." Like he's all grown up. He gave an impressive interview. |
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