moe09
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Post by moe09 on Apr 14, 2008 17:07:54 GMT -5
I read an awful lot about the need for discipline in that article and that gave me pause. LD or not, I want students at Georgetown that have self discipline on their own without a need for outside discipline. The timing of admitting his LD is also curious. Sure he could have been embarassed and maybe he was but is it so bad to at least look at the other POV and wonder why wait until all of the new NCAA regs have come to admit this? I am not going to sit here and say Braswell does not belong at GU but I am not out of line for admitting my concern. Also, for anyone pretending that the LD issue is not being used to get some players qualified by the NCAA, you really have your head in the sand. It is a little too big of a coincidence that the jump in reported cases of LDs and the new NCAA regulations happened to occur at the same time.
I mean, sure, if you want to insinuate that JTIII is letting in a kid who's breaking NCAA rules, but just say that "that's my opinion why can't I express it" without putting forth any proof because that's just your veiled "opinion" then by all means...
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Post by jgalt on Apr 14, 2008 17:15:15 GMT -5
Thank you jgalt... I guess some people just don't seem to get the fact that having LD does not mean you're dumb. Wow... I guess I am still confused about finding a post where someone said or implied people with LD are dumb. No one has even remotely wrote that. Geez, two random people express concern about simply accepting everything written in the local paper as a fact, and everyone gets all sensitive. the suggestion was that based on Braswell's past academic history he would be unable complete classes at a GU level. And there was the comment that he may want to "pull a Joakim Noah and major in Physical education," to me that insinuates that Braswell with me unable to major in anything more difficult then that.
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Apr 14, 2008 17:20:08 GMT -5
Exactly, I suppose I was harsh by saying they're equivocating it to dumb, but they're at least equivocating it not being able to succeed at GU and somehow "behind" others in intelligence...
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 14, 2008 17:25:44 GMT -5
Balla--You're sounding like 'foeva. We know how I felt about him. Sure, I don't need to know crap. None of us NEED to know anything. But we're here talking about it. If you don't like that, you're in the wrong place. My little law classes (also at GU, so kind of odd you'd take a shot at it) have nothing to do with anything.
KC and SF--I don't disagree w/ the fact that we don't know and that the staff is probably right. In this instance, I think and hope that the program is doing everything right. I (and TJM/NCH) are just saying that there needs to be extra attention paid to these situations, especially with LD's becoming a new way to skirt (potentially ridiculous) NCAA regulations (I say potentially ridiculous b/c I don't know all the details on them, but historically, I haven't loved every NCAA policy). It's not insane or offensive to say that the school needs to be careful dealing with things like this. And it's not a knock on a player with a learning disability to also want GU to be able to be able to objectively justify every student it admits, whether it be based on his athletic skill, intellectual ability, or willingness to bust his ass in either.
I WAS NOT saying to commit to a kid and then cut from him when someone better comes along. That's what I read Balla to be saying. I don't think we should be committing to kids, though, who are both academically below-expectations for GU AND (as Balla said) it would be a better "basketball decision" to go w/ someone else. At that point, why are we looking at the kid at all? Once committed to someone, I don't think you walk away unless it's apparent he can't live up to his side academically WHICH IS WHY I and other are saying GU needs to just be careful and kick the academic tires on a kid in this kind of situation. That's all. Again, I DO trust that that's happened. But this board shouldn't get indignant when someone suggests that it's a good idea.
Moe--What Balla said was "If JT3 was making a basketball decision, he would have pulled Braswell's scholly and given it to a better player(with out any grade issues) a longtime ago. Braswell needs GU more than GU needs Braswell, and it speaks volumes that III is sticking with the kid." To me, that sounds like he was saying that a GOOD basketball decision would have been to dump Braswell b/c there were better players. Maybe that's an incorrect interpretation, but that's what I took him to mean.
One thing I can agree w/ you on, Balla--JTIII seems like a better person than you.
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balla
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Post by balla on Apr 14, 2008 17:30:19 GMT -5
Strummer, you say 'we' as if you have some affiliation with GU basketball(LOL). If you have a problem with this program or who GU takes, then perhaps you should move on. Cause Gtown ain't changing.
If you are really lucky Braswell will only borrow your girlfriend when he gets to campus. When she wants a smart guy, she will make the walk of shame back to you.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 14, 2008 17:36:40 GMT -5
i wish braswell the best but this thread has gotten really ugly...i hope some of the posters on here arent sitting at the same banquet table wed night!
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 14, 2008 17:36:48 GMT -5
Strummer, you say 'we' as if you have some affiliation with GU basketball(LOL). If you have a problem with this program or who GU takes, then perhaps you should move on. Cause Gtown ain't changing. If you are really lucky Braswell will only borrow your girlfriend when he gets to campus. When she wants a smart guy, she will make the walk of shame back to you. "We" meant regular posters on the board. I never said anything about having a problem with Georgetown, the program, or its recruits. If my g/f suddenly decides to go for guys who can't read, I'll send her your way. Until then, I'm pretty sure I'll be alright.
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balla
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Post by balla on Apr 14, 2008 17:39:03 GMT -5
Strummer, you say 'we' as if you have some affiliation with GU basketball(LOL). If you have a problem with this program or who GU takes, then perhaps you should move on. Cause Gtown ain't changing. If you are really lucky Braswell will only borrow your girlfriend when he gets to campus. When she wants a smart guy, she will make the walk of shame back to you. "We" meant regular posters on the board. I never said anything about having a problem with Georgetown, the program, or its recruits. If my g/f suddenly decides to go for guys who can't read, I'll send her your way. Until then, I'm pretty sure I'll be alright. You would like to think so. But word on the street is she is looking for a 2 hour upgrade. Spelling is optional.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 14, 2008 17:40:27 GMT -5
Strummer, you say 'we' as if you have some affiliation with GU basketball(LOL). If you have a problem with this program or who GU takes, then perhaps you should move on. Cause Gtown ain't changing. If you are really lucky Braswell will only borrow your girlfriend when he gets to campus. When she wants a smart guy, she will make the walk of shame back to you. This really did get ugly fast. I'm not sure where Balla's issue w/ me came from, but anyone w/ common sense can tell that anyone who bothers to post on here wants the best, both for our individual recruits but also the school and program as a whole. Apparently, it's a touchy subject to discuss how to treat prospective players/recruits while also maintaining the school's integrity.
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balla
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Post by balla on Apr 14, 2008 17:42:10 GMT -5
Strummer, you say 'we' as if you have some affiliation with GU basketball(LOL). If you have a problem with this program or who GU takes, then perhaps you should move on. Cause Gtown ain't changing. If you are really lucky Braswell will only borrow your girlfriend when he gets to campus. When she wants a smart guy, she will make the walk of shame back to you. This really did get ugly fast. I'm not sure where Balla's issue w/ me came from, but anyone w/ common sense can tell that anyone who bothers to post on here wants the best, both for our individual recruits but also the school and program as a whole. Apparently, it's a touchy subject to discuss how to treat prospective players/recruits while also maintaining the school's integrity. Didn't know that you were the keeper of GU's integrity.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 14, 2008 17:42:18 GMT -5
"We" meant regular posters on the board. I never said anything about having a problem with Georgetown, the program, or its recruits. If my g/f suddenly decides to go for guys who can't read, I'll send her your way. Until then, I'm pretty sure I'll be alright. You would like to think so. But word on the street is she is looking for a 2 hour upgrade. Spelling is optional. Checkmate. You got me, man. There's no outsmarting you.
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balla
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Post by balla on Apr 14, 2008 17:43:47 GMT -5
You would like to think so. But word on the street is she is looking for a 2 hour upgrade. Spelling is optional. Checkmate. You got me, man. There's no outsmarting you. Eureka, something we both agree on.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 14, 2008 17:49:05 GMT -5
Apparently, it's a touchy subject to discuss how to treat prospective players/recruits while also maintaining the school's integrity. It is a touchy subject because of the timing. Listen, we've had this discussion on the board 100 times and we'll ave it 100 times more. It's not unusual and it is entirely valid. What I think a lot of people are objecting to is that you're not just discussing what you say above -- you're in a thread about Chris Braswell, it's right after an article about Chirs. So I think it's a bit naive to think you can write this without it being a discussion about Chris. I especially think it is poor timing to discuss this right after an article where he says he wishes people on internet message boards could stop talking about him. Bring it up again when there isn't an issue right then and you'll probably get a better discussion.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 14, 2008 17:53:13 GMT -5
Apparently, it's a touchy subject to discuss how to treat prospective players/recruits while also maintaining the school's integrity. It is a touchy subject because of the timing. Listen, we've had this discussion on the board 100 times and we'll ave it 100 times more. It's not unusual and it is entirely valid. What I think a lot of people are objecting to is that you're not just discussing what you say above -- you're in a thread about Chris Braswell, it's right after an article about Chirs. So I think it's a bit naive to think you can write this without it being a discussion about Chris. I especially think it is poor timing to discuss this right after an article where he says he wishes people on internet message boards could stop talking about him. Bring it up again when there isn't an issue right then and you'll probably get a better discussion. Fair enough. I probably wouldn't have even gotten into it on my own, but I saw the previous posts and people's extreme reactions and just couldn't stay out of such a good Editeding match.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 14, 2008 19:10:49 GMT -5
[quote author=sfhoya99 board=general thread=16143 post=238226 time=1208210749]NC, the "that's a joke" line was harsh - I'm sorry for that. But I do think the idea that discipline being something all GU students have is kinda funny to me -- b/c I saw firsthand that is isn't true. These are all 17/18 year old kids to start, and an overwhelming majority of them don't have an incredible amount of discipline.
What is "wrong" with all your posts? I guess the only thing that is wrong is that I and others disagree. I'm not quite sure why you think you are being persecuted here -- what, would you guys like to post your dissenting opinions without anyone being able to respond?
If you're through pretending that people disagreeing with you is some kind of persecution, yes, I can outline why I disagree with each of the posts in general and specific.
1. The original post had an outright lack of knowledge of learning disabilities and how they affect people. It showed a complete lack of respect for Chris as a person, as well, in my opinion.
2. The Egerson situation is a funny one. Again, the original poster pointed it out as some kind of fiasco. I guess it was a PR fiasco. I don't really care. While I would rather never take another player from a diploma mill, I also recognize that something made the staff willing to take Egerson. And from their other actions, they really don't seem like win at all costs folk. Maybe they believed in him.
When Egerson left, he was in good academic standing. So yeah, you were ashamed by the news articles, and I agree it doesn't make the university look good, but let's not pretend it was for Egerson's or Braswell's benefit that the argument came up, okay, like tjm did?
Personally, I don't care much about the press.
3. Strummer's post is just completely wrong. Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, he believes we should have taken a commitment from Braswell, then cut bait completely on the kid when another player with better academics and similar play came along.
I personally find that kind of attitude towards a verbal agreement much mroe reprehensible than admitting a kid with borderline grades. But that's just me.
4. Lastly, to get specific with Jeff, Darrel and Chris... Jeff wasn't qualified until halfway through the Summer until he came. DJ was one of the last partial qualifiers and couldn't play his freshman year. Jeff apparently didn't have the discipline to get his passing score earlier, right? And DJ didn't have the discipline to get good grades to make basic NCAA requirements -- which are laughably low.
Yet somehow, Jeff will get his degree and DJ has a masters.
And Chris Braswell, who chose to go to a military academy as a commitment to academics and even made their honor roll, apparently it is time to cut bait on him?
5. And if you guys supposedly aren't proposing that -- if you're just saying the University should be careful -- you're doing it in the wrong venue and the wrong place and the wrong time. You're phrasing your words generically, but it doesn't take a genius to see this is a Chris Braswell thread, right after a Chris Braswell article, etc. What do you hope to accomplish here?[/quote][/sup]
I agree the timing was probably not the best for this discussion . . . but it was so one-sided and I felt like we were just ignoring some glaring points of concern.
Perhaps I need to trust JT3 and staff to know what they are doing but I actually think this article in the Post was probably not a great thing for Chris. It raised attention to something I likely would have skimmed over. It just played too much like a PR piece for Braswell and made me skeptical about the writer's motivation. I hope Braswell can get his grades in order this or next semester and be one of the numerous success stories that consistently come out of the Georgetown program.
One thing I agree with from your earlier post that I downplayed, for every Egerson there are like a dozen tremendous stories of success coming from this program. That is a credit to the Thompson's and the University to take risks not all of us are comfortable taking.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2008 19:21:04 GMT -5
Just a note that we'll likely close this thread on Tuesday. It's veered into pure speculation on a recruit and issues few of us are knowledgeable about.
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Post by The Stig on Apr 14, 2008 21:00:36 GMT -5
Why don't we give the kid a chance to show he can cut it here before we write him off?
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Post by jgalt on Apr 14, 2008 22:02:30 GMT -5
ooo last chance for everyone to get there shots in...this might get good
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 14, 2008 22:27:08 GMT -5
ooo last chance for everyone to get there shots in...this might get good I'm too exhausted from physically and verbally lashing out at my girlfriend for her apparent interest in Chris Braswell, who she would not recognize were he to sit next to her on a bus. Balla is busy reading through 'Foeva's old posts to see if he can find any more good ammo.
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Post by balla on Apr 14, 2008 22:37:22 GMT -5
Actually, I was busy slamming Foeva in another forum. Lets lock this thread at 12am EST.
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