mit0313
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Post by mit0313 on Apr 13, 2008 17:06:05 GMT -5
I like Jason Clark's ability to create...
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Apr 13, 2008 17:44:07 GMT -5
I think all three have played well. Jason is wiry, but seems to always be in attack mode on both ends. Braswell is bouncy and finishes well. Henry is long and aggressive. None of these guys is backing down to anyone.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Apr 13, 2008 17:53:38 GMT -5
Roscoe Davis looks pretty raw, but he could help out WVU eventually
Kris Joseph looks Big East ready
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Apr 13, 2008 18:07:51 GMT -5
After the Egerson fiasco, I thought Georgetown would be a little more careful in choosing their 'student-athletes'. Despite the vagaries of his learning disorder, he sounds a lot like a good kid but one that would struggle pretty mightily at Georgetown level courses. I mean, I haven't opted for the easiest classes possible like some of the basketball players, but I think my own experience (and presumably most other hoyas here) are that GU level courses are FAR beyond the type of crap they make you do in high school... and if Chris is struggling this mightily already to even graduate on time, I'm not sure we should be so willing to use up a scholarship and commit to this kid.
There are plenty of special-needs kids that could do a lot for the Georgetown community if admitted, so I don't want to imply anything obnoxious about the whole situation. Players are going to struggle on the court if they're struggling that hard in the classroom -- it might be better to pull a Joakim Noah and major in something like "Recreation Programming" at a state school to relieve some of the pressure.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 13, 2008 18:13:36 GMT -5
Roscoe Davis looks pretty raw, but he could help out WVU eventually Kris Joseph looks Big East ready Davis missed more shots inside than anyone. Joseph hasn't impressed me at all. Go figure.
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Apr 13, 2008 18:15:18 GMT -5
After the Egerson fiasco, I thought Georgetown would be a little more careful in choosing their 'student-athletes'. Despite the vagaries of his learning disorder, he sounds a lot like a good kid but one that would struggle pretty mightily at Georgetown level courses. I mean, I haven't opted for the easiest classes possible like some of the basketball players, but I think my own experience (and presumably most other hoyas here) are that GU level courses are FAR beyond the type of crap they make you do in high school... and if Chris is struggling this mightily already to even graduate on time, I'm not sure we should be so willing to use up a scholarship and commit to this kid. There are plenty of special-needs kids that could do a lot for the Georgetown community if admitted, so I don't want to imply anything obnoxious about the whole situation. Players are going to struggle on the court if they're struggling that hard in the classroom -- it might be better to pull a Joakim Noah and major in something like "Recreation Programming" at a state school to relieve some of the pressure. What's to say Georgetown isn't being "careful?" You have NO idea what the program has done with respect to making sure this kid gets a good education and gets his educational needs addressed. Maybe Braswell, now that his learning disorder has been diagnosed and addressed, is doing really well at Hargrave and will do fine at GU. You don't know and I don't know. If you're going to say the program shouldn't take Braswell because of his history, just come out and say it.
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Locker
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Post by Locker on Apr 13, 2008 18:19:39 GMT -5
After the Egerson fiasco, I thought Georgetown would be a little more careful in choosing their 'student-athletes'. Despite the vagaries of his learning disorder, he sounds a lot like a good kid but one that would struggle pretty mightily at Georgetown level courses. I mean, I haven't opted for the easiest classes possible like some of the basketball players, but I think my own experience (and presumably most other hoyas here) are that GU level courses are FAR beyond the type of crap they make you do in high school... and if Chris is struggling this mightily already to even graduate on time, I'm not sure we should be so willing to use up a scholarship and commit to this kid. There are plenty of special-needs kids that could do a lot for the Georgetown community if admitted, so I don't want to imply anything obnoxious about the whole situation. Players are going to struggle on the court if they're struggling that hard in the classroom -- it might be better to pull a Joakim Noah and major in something like "Recreation Programming" at a state school to relieve some of the pressure. It would have been easy to say the same thing about Darrel Owens at a similar stage. I'm glad we took a chance on him. He ended up being a fine representative for the university.
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balla
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Post by balla on Apr 13, 2008 18:21:30 GMT -5
After the Egerson fiasco, I thought Georgetown would be a little more careful in choosing their 'student-athletes'. Despite the vagaries of his learning disorder, he sounds a lot like a good kid but one that would struggle pretty mightily at Georgetown level courses. I mean, I haven't opted for the easiest classes possible like some of the basketball players, but I think my own experience (and presumably most other hoyas here) are that GU level courses are FAR beyond the type of crap they make you do in high school... and if Chris is struggling this mightily already to even graduate on time, I'm not sure we should be so willing to use up a scholarship and commit to this kid. There are plenty of special-needs kids that could do a lot for the Georgetown community if admitted, so I don't want to imply anything obnoxious about the whole situation. Players are going to struggle on the court if they're struggling that hard in the classroom -- it might be better to pull a Joakim Noah and major in something like "Recreation Programming" at a state school to relieve some of the pressure. I was just going to pass on posting in this thread because everyone was making mature and responsible post. Alas comes the first elitist EDIT. Perhaps you should transfer to dook.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Apr 13, 2008 18:24:03 GMT -5
Roscoe Davis looks pretty raw, but he could help out WVU eventually Kris Joseph looks Big East ready Davis missed more shots inside than anyone. Joseph hasn't impressed me at all. Go figure. Now he's not going to compete for ROY but he looked fairly solid IMO, he has some nice athleticism. Like Henry's deffense and shotblocking, Chris has some good post moves and agressiveness on offense but didn't seem to try that much on d Jason is going to have a good career at the hilltop
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tjm62
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Post by tjm62 on Apr 13, 2008 18:42:29 GMT -5
I kind of knew I'd get criticized for that post, and kchoya is right on the money that we don't know one way or another, and if there's information I'm missing, it obviously changes the dynamic.
Am I really being THAT crazy and elitist for saying that GU might want to stay away from a player with prominent academic difficulties (regardless of the cause)? If you read my post, a lot of it is concern for Chris himself, who might struggle to balance a tough academic load with athletic responsibilities. If he's going to be struggling to pass his classes, we're not proving any elitist point, we're just being Editeds by trying to push him through the system.
And to what end? A better basketball team? That's important, but it's not everything.
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balla
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Post by balla on Apr 13, 2008 19:03:52 GMT -5
I kind of knew I'd get criticized for that post, and kchoya is right on the money that we don't know one way or another, and if there's information I'm missing, it obviously changes the dynamic. Am I really being THAT crazy and elitist for saying that GU might want to stay away from a player with prominent academic difficulties (regardless of the cause)? If you read my post, a lot of it is concern for Chris himself, who might struggle to balance a tough academic load with athletic responsibilities. If he's going to be struggling to pass his classes, we're not proving any elitist point, we're just being Editeds by trying to push him through the system. And to what end? A better basketball team? That's important, but it's not everything. Nice of you to say 'we' like your the one responsible for freaking educating him. Nice to know you care so much. Since he has been at Hardgrave he has been an honor student. If/when he gets into GU, we will see what happens. But you have all of the answers so I'm sure you can tutor him.
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jester
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Post by jester on Apr 13, 2008 19:12:15 GMT -5
And to what end? A better basketball team? That's important, but it's not everything. Really? It's not? What kind of elitist are you?
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Post by 1984alloveragain on Apr 13, 2008 19:16:07 GMT -5
DITTO Balla... Thank GOD tjm62 wasn't the one assigned to help Helen Keller... College SHOULD be there to invite hopefuls to TAKE A CHANCE and RISE ABOVE where they are when they FIRST enter the institution. College ought not be only a "reward" for those who are academically gifted, but also invite those who minimally qualify to BUST IT, on the court AND OFF, to be great students and young men we ALL will be proud of. GO FOR IT CHRIS!!!
To the game - I'll have to watch the replay of it tonight at 11 since I was hoping for TIGER to catch fire at the Masters, but from what I saw, I CANNOT WAIT FOR CLARK, SIMS AND BRASWELL to join MONROE at the Hilltop!!! JUST WHAT WE NEED!!! HOYA SAXA!!!
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 13, 2008 19:16:09 GMT -5
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 13, 2008 19:17:31 GMT -5
Yeah, it really sounded like you were concerned about Braswell, jt.
Furthermore, Egerson did not transfer because of academics from what I know.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 13, 2008 19:17:39 GMT -5
ps did patrick show them all and get the team scholar award senior year if im right anybody remember dont think it was the duffy award but team award go hoyas on and off the court Only four basketball players have won the Duffey award since 1955: Tom Coleman ('61) Paul Tagliabue ('62) Bruce Stinebrickner ('68), Michael Jackson ('86)--Admin
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Post by hoyalawyer on Apr 13, 2008 19:18:35 GMT -5
well put lic, couldn't have said it better myself
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 13, 2008 19:19:26 GMT -5
nice comment 84 nice comment ps our guys looked pretty good tonite yup blocks penetrating jason some shots and rebbies and OH WHAT A NITE IS IT NOVEMBER YET OR EVEN JUNE AND KENNER GO HOYAS but first celebrate seniors on wed IS LEAVEY SOLD OUT GO HOYAS
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 13, 2008 19:46:34 GMT -5
Why are we so quick to assume that tjm was trying to bring Chris down? It's not outlandish to say that it's not always best to thrust someone into an academic environment that they might not to be able to handle. As much as everyone here wants to see him on our team, it's no unrealistic to think that some people MAY not be cut out for Georgetown. That being said, I hope Chris is. It seems like he's doing ok where he's at now, so hopefully that continues and Georgetown does work out for him.
I don't see anything "elitist" in tjm's post. How many of you alums would honestly say that your spot in your class should have gone to someone who was "taking a chance to rise above." That kind of talk very rarely, if ever, gets used outside of the athlete context so to suddenly say Georgetown is where "hopefuls" should go is patently absurd. Like it or not, the best colleges are rewards for kids who bust their ass in HS, and I don't see anything wrong w/ that.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Apr 13, 2008 19:53:15 GMT -5
Yeah, it really sounded like you were concerned about Braswell, jt. Furthermore, Egerson did not transfer because of academics from what I know. Egerson's controversy was more due to the "quality" of his highschool than his own academic situation, every indication shows that he was in good academic standing when he left. His transfer was a coincidence; he would still be a Hoya today but he made the choice (and in my opinion the right choice) to be closer to home so that he could be there for his infant son
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