hoyafoeva
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Post by hoyafoeva on Feb 10, 2008 16:45:05 GMT -5
Yes. That's right, it's all about penetration isn't it, little buddy? LOL. That was so funny. I am so good. Unlike Rivers. He's not good. If anyone disagrees with me I'll post 7 times in a row. Man, you are crazy, i'm just responding to the other posts man...lollllllllllllll...you got me cracking upppppppp!!! Go Hoyas!!
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hoyafoeva
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Post by hoyafoeva on Feb 10, 2008 16:48:02 GMT -5
Hey Lic, GETROYTHEBALLBECAUSEHEISMEANERANDHASALWAYSBEENSKILLED OR ROYGRABYOURGUARDSBYTHECOLLARANDTELTHEMTOGETYOUTHEBALL...come on Lic, I missed this...laughing my buttttttttt offff man...
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 10, 2008 16:51:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this really bothers me. Jon Wallace. Jeff Green. DaJuan Summers. Roy Hibbert. If you care enough about this program to participate on this board, can't you at least do the players, current and former, the due courtesy of spelling their names correctly?
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HoyaPride
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Post by HoyaPride on Feb 10, 2008 19:15:06 GMT -5
How about a deal ?, we spell names right and you stop throwing players under the bus.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 10, 2008 19:51:26 GMT -5
If you wish to only discuss the positives of the program, of which there are certainly many, and celebrate Hoya basketball, there are pep rallies for that sort of activity. This is a message board designed for the intelligent discussion of Hoya basketball, which includes critique of the team and players when they aren't playing up to their potential, individually or collectively. If this sort of analysis bothers you, perhaps there is another board you can join.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 10, 2008 20:58:19 GMT -5
Jon Wallace is not going to sit. Do you know how I know? Because he has the most consecutive starts of any player in D-I. Period. He is not playing well at all, and I think he needs to cede some of his minutes (having Wright would have been great) but he is in no way going to come off the bench in his G'town career. He needs to fix his shot, though, we just need production from a man who was almost automatic last year and during the beginning of this season too. Ugh. We really need him to step up and play like he can/has. But not sit. But what if he can't step up? Roy Hibbert turned away MILLIONS of dollars to come back to school and try to help Georgetown win a championship. Should we put that sacrifice on the line for the sake of a streak? No way Wallace should ever come off the bench. EVER!!! This staement indicates how little you know about the Hoyas.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 10, 2008 20:59:38 GMT -5
Without reading the previous 5 pages, IMO we jinxed Wallace back in January with all the NBA talk. Lets reverse jinx it with... Wallace will be a fine lawyer/coach/agent/President, not NBA player.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 10, 2008 21:18:38 GMT -5
But what if he can't step up? Roy Hibbert turned away MILLIONS of dollars to come back to school and try to help Georgetown win a championship. Should we put that sacrifice on the line for the sake of a streak? No way Wallace should ever come off the bench. EVER!!! This staement indicates how little you know about the Hoyas. And this post indicates how little you know about arguementation and reason. Do you have any logic to support your assertion, or do you prefer to capitalize words and use exclamation points?
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 10, 2008 21:29:19 GMT -5
No way Wallace should ever come off the bench. EVER!!! This staement indicates how little you know about the Hoyas. And this post indicates how little you know about arguementation and reason. Do you have any logic to support your assertion, or do you prefer to capitalize words and use exclamation points? Wallace shouldn't come off the bench. We can play him less, but psychologically if you take him from the starting lineup, I think his shot gets worse, not better. Wallace isn't a guy who needs negative reinforcement. He knows he's struggling. It probably drives him 100 times crazier than it does this board.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 10, 2008 21:32:21 GMT -5
And this post indicates how little you know about arguementation and reason. Do you have any logic to support your assertion, or do you prefer to capitalize words and use exclamation points? Wallace shouldn't come off the bench. We can play him less, but psychologically if you take him from the starting lineup, I think his shot gets worse, not better. Wallace isn't a guy who needs negative reinforcement. He knows he's struggling. It probably drives him 100 times crazier than it does this board. That's a fair point. It strikes me as a little silly to cut Wallace's minutes to about 18 ppg while keeping him a starter, but I see what you're saying. When Wallace's minutes come doesn't make the biggest difference to me, I just want to see MUCH more of a Sapp, Freeman, Summers, Ewing, Hibbert line-up.
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krey23
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Post by krey23 on Feb 10, 2008 21:41:44 GMT -5
Yes, Jon hasn't played well, but let's also realize that these players are students and that although we are all passionate about the game of basketball, there IS more to life than whether or not he can put a ball in a hoop as consistently as last year. On that note, Jon gave part of the homily at 8pm mass tonight, spoke for about 15 minutes. It was very well spoken and was an example of how great our program really is. Not only are our players present on campus but they are actively involved in campus life. Tyler who had given a homily earlier in the year was present as well.
Two statements that stood out to me... (paraphrased as I couldn't write them down" 1. "Coach always says never let your opponent see you sweat, even when things aren't going well, you just keep trying...." and 2. "My parents always told me that I couldn't let basketball define who I am. Basketball is a platform from which I can do great things, but I can't let the game define who I am."
Let's try and remember that clearly Jon knows he's not playing well and is obviously working to fix it, and that regardless of whether or not he's in a slump he's still an intelligent and upstanding Georgetown student who works hard at what he does
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sead43
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Post by sead43 on Feb 10, 2008 21:57:16 GMT -5
Yes, Jon hasn't played well, but let's also realize that these players are students and that although we are all passionate about the game of basketball, there IS more to life than whether or not he can put a ball in a hoop as consistently as last year. On that note, Jon gave part of the homily at 8pm mass tonight, spoke for about 15 minutes. It was very well spoken and was an example of how great our program really is. Not only are our players present on campus but they are actively involved in campus life. Tyler who had given a homily earlier in the year was present as well. Two statements that stood out to me... (paraphrased as I couldn't write them down" 1. "Coach always says never let your opponent see you sweat, even when things aren't going well, you just keep trying...." and 2. "My parents always told me that I couldn't let basketball define who I am. Basketball is a platform from which I can do great things, but I can't let the game define who I am." Let's try and remember that clearly Jon knows he's not playing well and is obviously working to fix it, and that regardless of whether or not he's in a slump he's still an intelligent and upstanding Georgetown student who works hard at what he does Bryon was there too. It was certainly one of those moments where I just looked around and was immensely proud to be a Hoya.
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hoyanick
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Post by hoyanick on Feb 10, 2008 22:00:16 GMT -5
You guys know you are running the risk of putting lipstick on Wallace's fan (or something like that) with these stories? Anyways, here's Camille's timely piece: After Wallace missed both three-pointers he took in a 63-53 win over South Florida last week, Coach John Thompson III was asked if he could pinpoint the source of Wallace's up and down shooting. "No," Thompson said. "It's one of those things where Jon is still Jon: every time he lets it go, I think it's going in. Clearly I think that he is a focal point [for opponents], not necessarily the focal point, whereas previous years he probably would have been just also mentioned in the scouting report. People know he can make shots, so he's got people honing in on him and playing him a lot more aggressively." www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/10/AR2008021002160.html
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 10, 2008 23:27:11 GMT -5
FIRST OFF jwall is a great kid and will be back and secondly coach said in the barker article after louisville that we didnot move on the offense just kinda passively passed the ball around and that makes everything tough need to continue great hustling d AND MOVING ON THE O YUP end the nova phone booth streak tomarrow ITS OUR HOUSE go hoyas come out mean and strong and hustling on both ends yup ITS FEBRUARY
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 10, 2008 23:28:44 GMT -5
and ps GETROYTHESEVENFOOTERMEANERGUYTHEBALLANDITLLGIVEYOUALLLITTLEGUYSMOREFREAKINGOPENESHOTSYUP
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 11, 2008 1:08:31 GMT -5
No way Wallace should ever come off the bench. EVER!!! This staement indicates how little you know about the Hoyas. And this post indicates how little you know about arguementation and reason. Do you have any logic to support your assertion, or do you prefer to capitalize words and use xclamation points? I have no interest in arguementation for the sake of arguementation. You either know very little about basketball... very little about the Hoyas... or both.
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Post by Hoya TMF on Feb 11, 2008 7:58:08 GMT -5
More and more, I find this an exercise in futility. Jon Wallace is the best shooter we have. We can whine about how he's in a slump or as some have said "not Big East caliber," but what do we expect JTIII to do? Even if everyone's critiques of Jon are true (I disagree), what lineup are we going to play?
Who should replace Jon in the lineup? Who gets his minutes. I love Baby Doc and Tyler, but they are not better than Jon, slump or no slump. If Summers is playing lousy, we can mix things up with Pat and Austin. If Roy is ineffective, we can go to a smaller lineup and change up our style a little bit.
Maybe we start Jessie and Austin with Summers, Roy and Pat up front, but then we lose a ton of depth in the front court. So if you've got suggestions on how to solve the problem other than playing an injured Chris Wright, I'm curious to read them. I think we keep playing Jon until he works himself out of this slump. If our back court is as bad as some posters think it is, what difference does it make?
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 11, 2008 8:09:07 GMT -5
When Jon hits more than 4 three's tonight, I hope everyone feels dumb.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 11, 2008 8:53:44 GMT -5
Jon took 5 3-pointers on Saturday. On each shot, he was moving to his right or left when he got the ball, took one more step, stopped and shot in the same motion. That's clearly not his shot. He needs to plant his feet and then shoot. JTIII should be looking for that play. More inside-out passing instead of perimeter passing should do the job.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 11, 2008 9:42:18 GMT -5
I agree with everyone that Wallace is playing poorly right now, but whatever happened to letting a player work his way out of a slump? Would you pull A-Rod because he is 0-18? Would that help? When Reggie Miller went through slumps with the Pacers, did they bench him? I see no difference in this situation. Jwal is in a slump, he needs time to break out of it and 3.5 years of history tells us he will! The guy is human.
Wallace has started the last 3.5 seasons for the conference champion among other very competitive Hoya teams; this talk that all of a sudden he is not good enough is ridiculous. He shot us into the FF last year, he has always been the one to calm the storm on offense and get us into our sets. Sure, defenses are starting to pay attention to him and neutralizing him a bit, but what happens if you pull him? You don't think opponents will feel like they won that battle and can move on to the next? That only hurts us. He has had a bad 10 games, you cannot allow this to define him as a player.
The weakness Jon has always had was defensive footspeed, Rivers helps offset this some against speedy guards like tonight's Scottie Reynolds. However, Rivers also shoots about as well as my grandmother. The defense does not have to respect Rivers on the perimeter, to me that is a bigger definciency to our offense than anything Jon does to our defense which is already the best in the country. These two can compensate for each other's weaknesses very well the way JT3 is currently rotating them.
I am sure once Wallace begins to hit his shot all Hoya fans will be so happy that our coaching staff was not as reactioinary as this board!
Go Hoyas!
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