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Post by Bahstin on Oct 3, 2006 23:04:52 GMT -5
All 3 teams I was rooting for lost today. Great start.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2006 10:14:47 GMT -5
Derek Jeter is a very good player.
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Post by RDF on Oct 4, 2006 18:35:36 GMT -5
ESPN is SUCK. Seriously how awful was the Thorne, Phillips, Morgan--for 5 innings team? And having Tim Robbins come into the booth for a FRIGGIN PLAYOFF GAME??? For the love of Baseball, do these morons at ESPN understand that fans tune in to watch the baseball? It was an entertaining game and they bring in a "celebrity" during a playoff game. As a Yankee fan, I'll say this--if Billy Crystal even thinks about putting his ugly, outdated mug in the booth during a playoff game, I'll be on the phone with a hitman to break his jaw ASAP. I tune in to watch the games, not hear about these people's "next project".
Adding to that, Gary Thorne saying a 3-2 pitch that bounced in the dirt was "close". Are you kidding me? This was beyond awful and time to hit mute and listen to Dan Schulman tonight--as only ESPN could have their best play by play man on the radio and not calling games on television.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Oct 4, 2006 19:43:48 GMT -5
Play by play is more important on the radio, when you can't see the action for yourself. If Shulman is indeed their best, he SHOULD be on the radio.
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Post by RDF on Oct 5, 2006 16:22:43 GMT -5
Great game from Tigers today--they deserved to win and their pitching was tough. Good pitching always beats good hitting and it will be up to Randy Johnson and his balky back to keep Yankees alive or they're done in 4.
As for today's game, loved how Guillen baited Mussina with the old "dirt in my eye" trick and then smacked the next BP fastball to get a strike out for tying HR.
Yankees lineup is so overrated it's not funny. Everyone looks at the names of the players and not what they are actually doing--this year. Sheffield weakens this team by his presence-not his fault but he's in the lineup so that means Matsui plays LF and that ball Marcus Thames hit to get go-head and eventual winning run on would've been caught by Cabrera. Matsui is a DH at this stage of his career and for this Yankee team to be at it's best they need him there. If Sheffield is to play 1B, then Giambi should sit, but I like Giambi's approach as a hitter better then Sheffield's. He'll work counts more and Sheffield as a weapon off bench at this time is better then him in everday lineup.
BTW, for any Yankee fan who defends Posada dropping pitches, hope you see why fans like myself find it beyong annoying. The man drops at least 12-15 balls per game and today it cost the team 1 run and would've cost them another but Granderson got a triple due to Matsui being so slow that he couldn't cut a ball off, so that can't be taking into account.
DEFENSE does matter and it really matters when your team has 1 big time pitcher--(Wang) and old guys who need all the help they can get.
Congrats to Tigers today--well played, fun baseball to watch and for the Yankees it's down to 1 game season--tomorrow night. If they lose that game, they are done--no way in hell Jaret Wright wins an elimination game over Bonderman. Win tomorrow and you at least get it to Game 5 because I doubt Wright wins a close out game.
Pitching, Defense, and timely hitting win championships. Names, power, stats sell tickets and look pretty over 162, but it doesn't get it done come October. This team got to October with Melky Cabrera as their everyday LF and he deserves to play and should play--especially in Comerica Park where it's a huge OF and Matsui would be exploited and play outs into hits/extra bases.
1-1 and tomorrow's fun, so this series comes down to tomorrow night with Balky Back Johnson against Kenny "I'm scared" Rogers. Which means Yankees and their fans better hope Johnson can do something or else battle of bullpens and that favors Tigers in a dominant fashion.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 6, 2006 7:41:15 GMT -5
Why does fox insist upon putting the Dodgers' color man in the booth on the national broadcast? Steve "Psycho" Lyons should be muzzled. If I have to listen to him EDITED the Dodgers again, I'll puke.
Of course the Dodgers won't be around past tomorrow any way.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Oct 6, 2006 9:26:53 GMT -5
Very quiet in "arod supporter land"
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Oct 6, 2006 10:40:11 GMT -5
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Hank Scorpio
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 6, 2006 21:35:43 GMT -5
Whole team is culpable at this point - just as they were last year vs Anaheim. And the year before that against Boston. Perhaps it's Mattingly's fault, but the patient approach seems to have evaporated come playoff time. Way too much hacking. Especially tonight, against Kenny Rogers. Kenny Rogers! Also, what is Bernie Williams doing in there over Sheff? Joe Torre's managing this series has been pretty questionable. The 2 for 6 hitters were 2 for 18 yesterday, 3 for 13 thus far tonight. Jeter hasn't done squat since Game 1, Posada and Matsui seems to be the only big bats getting anything done. Granderson just went yard. 6-0 Tigers. Bonderman vs Jaret Wright tomorrow with the season on the line. The Bombers have their work cut out for them. Very quiet in "arod supporter land"
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Post by RockawayHoya on Oct 6, 2006 22:23:33 GMT -5
I can understand the Bernie for Sheff move. Sheff was coming into the game 3 for 17 lifetime against Rogers, and Bernie's a .353 lifetime hitter against Rogers. Plus, Sheff was 1-8 in the first two games and despite a hard hit ball off of Zumaya in Game 2, wasn't really getting good contact. Bernie didn't do that badly, considering he missed a double down the line and a 2 run homer by inches in his 1st 2 ABs (probably wouldve been a homer in Yankee Stadium).
Borat, you're right though. Whole team is accountable for tonight (obviously). If anything, I thought they were a little too patient. Rogers was getting ahead with first pitch strikes on almost every batter, and a lot of times those pitches were the best pitches the Yanks were gonna see in the entire AB. Once they got behind, Rogers starting throwing his nasty changeups and curveballs, and his control was impeccable all night (which was a huge surprise). Giambi in particular didn't even swing at the ball. I think he looked at 3 straight strikes in the 7th.
Yanks had their chance to put this team away in Game 2. Now it will be an absolute dogfight with absolutely no momentum on their side. *Sigh* Just keeping my fingers crossed at this point.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 7, 2006 16:59:22 GMT -5
7-0 tigers right now. yankees haven't even put a runner on base. say goodnight, rockaway. pretty disappointing. hopefully the giants win tomorrow or my gtown hoops obsession will become borderline unhealthy.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 7, 2006 19:29:49 GMT -5
Borat and Rockaway: As always, the playoffs can be explained with one word: pitching.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 7, 2006 20:56:41 GMT -5
A manager with his head not firmly stuck between his arse helps, too. Torre not bringing Wang back on short rest was perhaps the most baffling move of the postseason. Much like I clamored for Mo in Game 7 vs the Sox in 2004 instead of Javy Vazquez, I did the same here: you can't save someone for later if later isn't guaranteed. Borat and Rockaway: As always, the playoffs can be explained with one word: pitching.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Oct 7, 2006 23:36:09 GMT -5
Borat and Rockaway: As always, the playoffs can be explained with one word: pitching. Can't argue there. They certainly outpitched us. It helped a ton that we were absolutely unclutch as a team when it came to swinging the bats with men on base in the last 3 games (save Damon's HR), but gotta give credit where credit is due. Congrats to the Tigers fans on this board (if there are actually any of you out there). As for A-Rod, I don't really care what anyone says to me. I understand he didn't lose the series by himself, and you can bring up whatever numbers you want to defend him. He's run out of chances in my book. He's dead to me. I want him out of town ASAP. The guy just doesn't have the gall to play in our city, period.
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Post by RDF on Oct 7, 2006 23:44:23 GMT -5
A-Rotten and Sheffield led teams are now 9-11 in the postseason and that is only STAT that matters to me. It's clearly not their fault alone, but it's not as if this team is hitting in addition to their mediocre/bad pitching. Borat was on the money about Torre and the refusal to bring Wang back on short rest--especially considering he's a sinkerballer who will benefit from short rest in terms of ball sinking--they are usually better when they tire--as he showed in Game 1, when the Moron Torre pulled him far too soon.
Torre is a nice guy, but his time is faded. This team doesn't respond to him at all, and if you are going to have a collective group of egos, you need a guy who makes them play with more of an edge. Torre tries to have these guys "Blend" and it's just fitting their personalities.
A-Rotten is someone I don't want in Pinstripes, but I'd rather keep him and see Sheffield, Bernie, and Mussina go. I can't stand Sheffield-he's just a malcontent and cancerous figure on a team. Bernie is done-just no reason to keep him around. Mussina is a pain the butt too and he's a 3rd/4th starter at best and he's not getting any younger. Matsui needs to be the DH or learn 1B and Giambi is breaking down due to using performance enhancers.
Just pathetic to see Yankees attitude towards game in Postseason compared to the other teams. Happy for Tiger fans and disgusted by the Yankees and the "MOST OVERRATED LINEUP IN BASEBALL HISTORY".
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Post by Bahstin on Oct 8, 2006 0:45:03 GMT -5
I'll tell you what: that was one awesome celebration.
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Post by miamihoya on Oct 8, 2006 2:04:15 GMT -5
My playoffs have been fufilled...the yankees lost, and thats all that matters....seriously tho, how does a team with that payroll, look that terrible?!? A-rod should never be included in a teams playoff roster, cuz its honestly its just a waste of a roster spot...any triple-A player will contribute more. I guess the tigers have quickly gone from being the biggest underdogs to being the favorites in these playoffs. Jim Leyland just can't get enough credit for what he does as a manager, and well as far as Joe Torre, i dont know what to think of him. Lets just say George can't be happy.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 8, 2006 2:28:14 GMT -5
Rockaway, that's scapegoating. A-Rod didn't do much this series, but he is blamed entirely too much for the fortunes of the Yankees. As I have stated in other threads, A-Rod carried us to the ALCS with a sick performance against Minny in the 2004 ALDS. He was arguably the best player on the field in games 1 thru 4 of the 2004 ALCS. [Derek Jeter batted 200 in the 04 ALCS]. Since then A-Rod has been pretty rubbish in the postseason, but at what point do you say "why can't others step up?" instead of "where is A-Rod?" It was a collective collapse in 04. It was a collective loss in 05. It was a collective collapse in 06. With that said, a 3B who puts up those #s helps you get to October, where anything can happen. Contrary to belief held in NY, the regular season does matter. If you want to keep A-Rod and bat him 9th in the playoffs b/c you think he is "unclutch" or whatever, fine. At 16 million per, he is a bargain if it helps you get there. Btw Scott Brosius batted 167 in LDS play as a Yankee. 236 in LCS play. His teammates got him to the WS, where he is a career 314 hitter. Food for thought. Borat and Rockaway: As always, the playoffs can be explained with one word: pitching. Can't argue there. They certainly outpitched us. It helped a ton that we were absolutely unclutch as a team when it came to swinging the bats with men on base in the last 3 games (save Damon's HR), but gotta give credit where credit is due. Congrats to the Tigers fans on this board (if there are actually any of you out there). As for A-Rod, I don't really care what anyone says to me. I understand he didn't lose the series by himself, and you can bring up whatever numbers you want to defend him. He's run out of chances in my book. He's dead to me. I want him out of town ASAP. The guy just doesn't have the gall to play in our city, period.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 8, 2006 2:58:17 GMT -5
Whoa whoa whoa, A-Rod and Sheffield led teams? Jeter is the leader of this team. Jeter led teams are 3-10 in their last 13 postseason games. If you believe in greatness rubbing off on others and all that sorta thing, that stat should matter as well. And, if Derek Jeter wants to be any sort of captain, he should come out in defense of his 3B publicly instead of letting the media chicken peck him to death. He did it for Giambi, said "booing him doesn't help us win". He lets A-Rod twist in the wind, and he doesn't get called out enough for it. As for Joe Torre, I hope he is done in NY. If you want to give him credit for all the success he had early, you have to critique him for the failures of late. He is the only manager in the league who can give his GM a shopping list before the season and gets everything he wants. From then on, it is his job to maximize the teams chances of winning. Time and time again, he has not done so. The following moves were ridiculous: 1) game 1 - taking Wang out for Myers when Wang is cruising and has only thrown 90 pitches 2) game 2 - leaving a laboring Moose in to face carlos guillen. you've got lefty on lefty guys for a reason. HR, tie game. 3) game 3 - if Gary Sheffield is so important that he is going to bat cleanup for you in a do or die game, how is he on the bench for BERNIE F'NG WILLIAMS?! Ludicrous. 4) game 4 - Giambi should be in vs a righty if he can play. Gary Sheffield batting cleanup is a joke. A-Rod batting 8th was a sadder joke - how he performed worse than anyone else to deserve a demotion is beyond me. It will only intensify scapegoating, and, truthfully, i think Joe has made him his personal whipping boy. Bernie should be gone. Matsui, Damon, Abreu is the OF with Melky spelling a different one of them every night next season [the odd man out can DH unless Giambi there already]. Mussina will be back, Yanks have a club option and for one year at 13 million, he isn't bad. He shouldn't be depended upon as a 1 or a 2, but if he is your #3 pitcher, the staff is pretty good. Sheffield is gone. Use that money to woo a pitcher. Zito or Matsuzaka. Not much help on the bullpen front unless Dotel regains his form. We have some good live arms in the minors. Let some of them pitch, see who becomes reliable. Torre never gave anyone a very long leash unless he had to - and then he used them til their arms fell off. Scott Proctor, Paul Quantrill and Tom Gordon should all sue him. Lineup will look essentially the same: CF Damon, SS Jeter, RF Abreu, 3B A-Rod, 1B Giambi, DH Matsui, C Posada, 2B Cano, LF Melky with a 1B spelling Giambi and shifting him to DH, Matsui to LF, Melky to bench. Rotation would be: Wang, Zito/Mats, Mussina, Pavano [until he gets hurt], RJ with Phil Hughes waiting in the wings to come up and dazzle. The team will be good enough to win the division again. Come playoff time, it's a crapshoot. The dynasty years were amazing. However, the competition is now stiffer leaguewide. Revenue sharing will allow small markets to keep the Santanas and Bondermans and Halladays and Peavys and Verlanders of the world. The Yankees will have to build from within AND flex the economic clout to get their pitching back to the level it was at in the late 90s. I've got faith in Cashman, but getting there isn't going to happen overnight. A-Rotten and Sheffield led teams are now 9-11 in the postseason and that is only STAT that matters to me. It's clearly not their fault alone, but it's not as if this team is hitting in addition to their mediocre/bad pitching. Borat was on the money about Torre and the refusal to bring Wang back on short rest--especially considering he's a sinkerballer who will benefit from short rest in terms of ball sinking--they are usually better when they tire--as he showed in Game 1, when the Moron Torre pulled him far too soon. Torre is a nice guy, but his time is faded. This team doesn't respond to him at all, and if you are going to have a collective group of egos, you need a guy who makes them play with more of an edge. Torre tries to have these guys "Blend" and it's just fitting their personalities. A-Rotten is someone I don't want in Pinstripes, but I'd rather keep him and see Sheffield, Bernie, and Mussina go. I can't stand Sheffield-he's just a malcontent and cancerous figure on a team. Bernie is done-just no reason to keep him around. Mussina is a pain the butt too and he's a 3rd/4th starter at best and he's not getting any younger. Matsui needs to be the DH or learn 1B and Giambi is breaking down due to using performance enhancers. Just pathetic to see Yankees attitude towards game in Postseason compared to the other teams. Happy for Tiger fans and disgusted by the Yankees and the "MOST OVERRATED LINEUP IN BASEBALL HISTORY".
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Post by RockawayHoya on Oct 8, 2006 9:16:38 GMT -5
Rockaway, that's scapegoating. A-Rod didn't do much this series, but he is blamed entirely too much for the fortunes of the Yankees. As I have stated in other threads, A-Rod carried us to the ALCS with a sick performance against Minny in the 2004 ALDS. He was arguably the best player on the field in games 1 thru 4 of the 2004 ALCS. [Derek Jeter batted 200 in the 04 ALCS]. Since then A-Rod has been pretty rubbish in the postseason, but at what point do you say "why can't others step up?" instead of "where is A-Rod?" It was a collective collapse in 04. It was a collective loss in 05. It was a collective collapse in 06. With that said, a 3B who puts up those #s helps you get to October, where anything can happen. Contrary to belief held in NY, the regular season does matter. If you want to keep A-Rod and bat him 9th in the playoffs b/c you think he is "unclutch" or whatever, fine. At 16 million per, he is a bargain if it helps you get there. Btw Scott Brosius batted 167 in LDS play as a Yankee. 236 in LCS play. His teammates got him to the WS, where he is a career 314 hitter. Food for thought. Can't argue there. They certainly outpitched us. It helped a ton that we were absolutely unclutch as a team when it came to swinging the bats with men on base in the last 3 games (save Damon's HR), but gotta give credit where credit is due. Congrats to the Tigers fans on this board (if there are actually any of you out there). As for A-Rod, I don't really care what anyone says to me. I understand he didn't lose the series by himself, and you can bring up whatever numbers you want to defend him. He's run out of chances in my book. He's dead to me. I want him out of town ASAP. The guy just doesn't have the gall to play in our city, period. Borat, I'm still not sure how I'm scapegoating when I've already said he's not solely to blame for this series loss. I don't know how many more times you'd like for me to state our TEAM lost the series, not A-Rod. Re-read my post before you start fussing again just because someone criticized good ol' A-Rod again. You might even see me agreeing with DanMcQ about a component of the game called "pitching," which last I checked A-Rod has nothing to do with. Torre had a horrendous series. I agree with everything that's already been said. Having said that, unless we decide to go after Girardi, I want Torre back (and Cashman as well). I sure as hell don't want someone like Pinella managing our team. As for personnel: Sheff's gone. No way he's taking anything less than a big multi-year deal, and there's no way the Yanks are giving it to him this time. I hope Moose is back; he pitched pretty even against Verlander and had a solid season this year. As for A-Rod, again, I couldn't be more clear. I defended him last spring when the fans got all over him for a slow start, and I held out hope that he'd redeem himself with a strong postseason showing. But that wasn't just failure we saw the past 4 games, that was just downright embarrassing. Add that to the angst he's created in the clubhouse and his disruption of team chemistry; there's really no place for him to go but elsewhere, IMO.
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