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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 10, 2007 20:37:12 GMT -5
My thoughts:
1. About 5 minutes into the second half was the first time I realized that I was thinking "Alright, give it to Jeff and let's pull away." At that point, I noticed the lack of our former star.
2. About 15 seconds later, Roy got the ball, hit a sweet looking hook and got fouled. For everyone who last year thought constantly that Jeff needed to put us on his back sometimes and just do what needed to be done: Roy is the new Jeff. He looked borderline unstoppable, and the funny thing is that he generally plays UP to his level of competition. I expect Roy to live up to expectations.
3. Despite limited time and some foul trouble (largely BS), Summers looked like he has the potential to fill in the Jeff role in the offense. Roy may have to take the leadership role and the "go to guy" status, but Summers can do what he needs to on the floor. Jesse also showed signs of being a HUGE factor in this team. He was the only one creating off the dribble and trying to make something happen. His ability is a good sign.
4. A BAD sign is that "he was the only one creating off the dribble and trying to make something happen." Did we set a single pick all game? I didn't see a single backdoor. Ewing looked alright, but much of the usual: high energy, rebounds, a nasty block, no points. I was shocked at how good Rivers looked on D, but still nothing from his offense.
5. My biggest fear (and this is not a season-threatening fear, but still a question mark): Where the hell was Vernon on offense?! He just skips around the lane, kinda bumps some guys, no real picks, no real cuts, no post position. Did anyone think he looked vastly improved, because I'm still skeptical of him.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 10, 2007 20:41:51 GMT -5
4. A BAD sign is that "he was the only one creating off the dribble and trying to make something happen." Did we set a single pick all game? I didn't see a single backdoor. Ewing looked alright, but much of the usual: high energy, rebounds, a nasty block, no points. I was shocked at how good Rivers looked on D, but still nothing from his offense. Generally creating off the dribble is not the best thing to do against a zone. Jessie was at his best today when he created before the defense was set. He made a couple great drives when he saw seams when W&M was trying to settle into its zone. One of them was an And1, I think. You cannot run picks against a zone either for the same reason you can't generally run backdoors. The defense does not need to react to picks. They just play their zones and exchange men on picks. What we needed more of was ball movement. Chris had the [w]right idea on that skip pass when he was in.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2007 20:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by bmartin on Nov 10, 2007 20:55:19 GMT -5
Roy was coming up high to set picks for the guards and then rolling into the post. He uses that play to get better position in the paint but the guards were not looking for him quickly enough. Even though it is a better man play, it works against the zone by creating a little space for Roy and by forcing the zone to react to the dribble screen.
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Post by vcjack on Nov 10, 2007 20:57:58 GMT -5
And VC, if you are who I think you are, then I hope you spend that $25 on something nice for yourself. If you're not him, then your suckitude was safe from my gaze anyway. No you guessed right, I was planning on using my $25 on getting as much alcohol necessary to forget that incident... Although I doubt $25 will be even close to enough
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2007 21:09:08 GMT -5
Camille Powell, a popular punching bag for some here, made a good point in her game article that W&M runs a complex offensive scheme much like the one Beilein uses - good prep for the next opponent this week.
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Post by algtiger on Nov 10, 2007 21:12:06 GMT -5
To answer an earlier question:
The shots today were decent. Most were fairly open because W&M packed themselves into a tight zone and left the outside open for the three's. But, that being said most were not good shots because they were forced. Very rarely did we run the offense and get deep into the shot clock, rather most times we shot an open three ten seconds into our possession. While these shots weren't bad, it just shows that we aren't patient enough yet to let the offense work and open up a better, higher percentage shot.
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Post by bmartin on Nov 10, 2007 21:16:26 GMT -5
Camille Powell, a popular punching bag for some here, made a good point in her game article that W&M runs a complex offensive scheme much like the one Beilein uses - good prep for the next opponent this week. Michigan is playing Brown tomorrow. Brown is coached by former Princeton Tiger & former Northwestern assistant Craig Robinson. As noted last week, Memphis played Richmond, another Princeton offense team coached by former Tiger Chris Mooney.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 10, 2007 21:31:11 GMT -5
And VC, if you are who I think you are, then I hope you spend that $25 on something nice for yourself. If you're not him, then your suckitude was safe from my gaze anyway. No you guessed right, I was planning on using my $25 on getting as much alcohol necessary to forget that incident... Although I doubt $25 will be even close to enough VC : free throw shooting :: Scott Norwood : field goal kicking
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Post by mapei on Nov 10, 2007 21:44:27 GMT -5
>the guards were not looking for him quickly enough
I know that's a legit point, but for some reason it reminded me of the guy who made that point about 40,000 times last season, which was about 39,995 times more than necessary. He is one of the very few people to have prompted me to use the bozo filter. I can't remember his name, but I'm sure some of you do.
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Post by hoyasexy on Nov 10, 2007 21:45:04 GMT -5
I thought I noticed a pretty stiff wind coming in from bench area.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 10, 2007 21:52:37 GMT -5
To answer an earlier question: The shots today were decent. Most were fairly open because W&M packed themselves into a tight zone and left the outside open for the three's. But, that being said most were not good shots because they were forced. Very rarely did we run the offense and get deep into the shot clock, rather most times we shot an open three ten seconds into our possession. While these shots weren't bad, it just shows that we aren't patient enough yet to let the offense work and open up a better, higher percentage shot. Disagree. If the offense only works when you take a shot with three seconds left on the clock then its a bad offense that should be scrapped. And obviously I do not believe that its a bad offense. An open shot and a good look is an open shot and a good look regardless of how much time is left on the clock. We're recruiting big time players and to suggest these guys should only milk the clock first before shooting is absurd IMO. III says again and again that the style does not have to be the stereotypically slow style that most fans consider the Princeton offense to be. And yet some fans here still cling to the notion that only a few ticks should remain on the clock before the Hoyas even look at the basket. Arguably the three victories of the III era that Hoya fans talk about the most are the Duke and UNC wins and the win against the Domers in last season's BET. All three games involved a lot of shots being taken early in the shot clock's run. Yes, shots should not be forced (though a few a game isn't the worst thing). Yes, its great to be patient when you don't have a good enough look at the basket. But if the ball is swung to a Hoya open in the corner for a jumper and he is set then he should fire away even if 30 seconds is left on that clock. Now if your point was that it would have been better to work the ball around until we got a shot closer to the basket (via Roy or anyone in the paint) then I agree with your point. But this team will settle for a jumper at times even if the shot clock is about to expire. So why not take it ten seconds earlier?
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Post by hoyasexy on Nov 10, 2007 21:59:49 GMT -5
I think that's an excellent point, MCI. Another point I'd like to add is that there are a number of people on this board who think that the team is not running the offense if they are not attempting any backdoor cuts. The offense is predicated on ball movement, spacing, and taking what the defense gives you. Sometimes, we'll kill an opponent with backdoor cuts, and others, we'll kill them with open jumpers.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 10, 2007 22:21:00 GMT -5
Question- Were we trying to push the ball off a rebound or outlet it up the court to try a fast break? I know last year we probably could have done this more, and would like to see it a little this year since we are probably a faster team.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 10, 2007 22:24:16 GMT -5
Chvotkin's broadcast would always describe some Hoya getting a rebound-loose ball-blocked shot and running to the other end....but then pulling it out and setting up the offense.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 10, 2007 22:33:05 GMT -5
Yes it would, and whenever there was a pass inbounds he would say "allyoop to whoever caught the ball" it would get confusing when it was to Wallace or Rivers.
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Post by whatrocks33 on Nov 11, 2007 0:04:33 GMT -5
I thought Roy looked downright dominant at points today, he'll really be a force for us if we can continue to get the ball inside to him. He was A LOT more aggressive than I'm used to seeing, and it's nice that on this team.
However, I expected a little more out of Macklin. Yeah, it's early but I'd like to see us involve him more in the offense.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 11, 2007 1:05:03 GMT -5
I thought Roy looked downright dominant at points today, he'll really be a force for us if we can continue to get the ball inside to him. Way to go out on a limb there!
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 11, 2007 1:23:56 GMT -5
when we REMEMBERED WE HAD A SEVEN FOOTER we did real good yup that seven footer remember him and then remember the alamo go hoyas go roy roy roy
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Post by FLHoya on Nov 11, 2007 2:50:38 GMT -5
FYI my RECAP went to "post-it-on-the-HB-website-land" earlier this evening so it should be up sometime tomorrow more than likely.
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