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Post by guru on Apr 2, 2024 11:17:42 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's sad that if Georgetown had made the effort, it likely could have hired either Dan Hurley or Kevin Keatts in 2017 ... Hurley's people definitely were throwing his name out there and I don't seem to recall that Keatts was one of the many that proactively turned down the job (before an offer made/interview happened). Keatts not quite the slam dunk HOF coach that Hurley is ... but given what we've seen over the last seven years, he likely would not have been fired ... and maybe would have had his odds defying run at Georgetown. On Hurley, I 100% agree Georgetown should have absolutely interviewed him at minimum. There is no way that John Thompson was going to allow that to happen, which is in part why it did not happen, and I lay blame for that on DeGioia. DeGioia had a lot of respect for John Thompson and a long history with him. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but when it came to making decisions in the best interest of the program, I think DeGioia failed miserably on that score in 2017. As far as Keatts, I do know a lot of people here wanted him in 2017. But let's slow our roll. This is another illustration of how the NCAA tournament really warps views of reality. There is absolutely no doubt that Keatts has had a spectacular ACC tournament and NCAA tournament, and I give him all the credit for that. But, before this run, there was talk of Keatts being on the hot seat. Keatts has been at best an okay coach at NC state. His teams, starting in 2018, have been ranked 46, 41, 50, 71, 128, 52, and 43 this year (much of that due to the recent run). So basically, aside from 2022, Keatts has had his teams being not horrible but outside the bubble for the most part. Only two tournament appearances in 7 seasons. I am glad for him and his success. I just think if Georgetown hired Keatts, and in his first 5 seasons he did not make the tournament, fans would have been extremely displeased. And unlike Ewing, Keatts would have been good enough to avoid being fired. We don't know if Keatts is a legit long-term upper level coach, or if he joins the list of one hit FF wonders that includes Mike Davis, JT3, Tom Crean, Kevin Ollie and a few others. But I'd like to be NCSU right about now.
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Post by guru on Apr 2, 2024 10:05:59 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Apr 2, 2024 9:52:44 GMT -5
Wild talk today at trilly regarding our coaching situation. Likely just PC trolls but it’s being discussed as a quasi-real thing.
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Post by guru on Mar 28, 2024 7:01:02 GMT -5
definitely hearing we are going hard on trying to get Mack.... Hearing we are really close
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2024 13:18:12 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2024 10:33:32 GMT -5
Mack just entered the portal. And even got a WaPo reporter to mention us... The Maryland tattoo on his arm doesn't give me good feels
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2024 7:59:13 GMT -5
I was told one of the benefits of going 2-18 was that we’d have a head start on the portal. The thing that sucks about this board is that you try to answer any question sincerely and it elicits a passive aggressive bitchy one or two liner from one of three accounts. This isn't even a fair criticism - no one has signed yet, and a lot of people we expect to see in the portal are not there yet. 2-18 meant you had a lot of time to research, scout, and plan for the portal. I hope we don't have any more slots to fill, but if you have to fill 5 slots, you should be able to do that and do that well. It’s always fun when the poster most responsible for any toxic antics on this board lectures the rest about “the thing that sucks about this board.” I agree with you on this, and hoyaboya’s bitchy post was as unnecessary and obnoxious as most of your posts were over the past 6 seasons. But maybe just develop some thicker skin. As for transfers, I’d say we are far from even being close to panic mode right now. Plenty of time.
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Post by guru on Mar 25, 2024 14:36:03 GMT -5
Pass. Done with sloppy seconds from Providence.
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Post by guru on Mar 25, 2024 13:55:56 GMT -5
Excellent points. We should have hired Smart. Smart was never coming here. In fact he pulled out of Marquette the first time at the last second when it was a Done Deal to Marquette. Marquette then had to scramble to hire Wojo. Then Smart went to prize program Texas. When that didn’t work out he went back to Marquette and fulfilled his Handshake deal to his home state. He definitely wasn’t coming here under that structure, but that’s also the point.
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Post by guru on Mar 25, 2024 11:45:34 GMT -5
Whatever the Mulkey story is, (a) it's national news and (b) it's not about Mulkey being a grouch. No sane editor would prioritize some Hoyas or Terps offseason piece over that. Yes, she's more than a grouch. No, it's not national news. The Washington Post covers far too little of Washington sports in its unrequited quest to be the Old Gray Lady. It’s a business. And no one outside of a few dozen on this board wants to read about Georgetown basketball.
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Post by guru on Mar 25, 2024 11:43:45 GMT -5
Whatever the Mulkey story is, (a) it's national news and (b) it's not about Mulkey being a grouch. No sane editor would prioritize some Hoyas or Terps offseason piece over that. Yes, she's more than a grouch. No, it's not national news. The Washington Post covers far too little of Washington sports in its unrequited quest to be the Old Gray Lady. It’s not national news? LOL. wut
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Post by guru on Mar 25, 2024 11:42:31 GMT -5
Give the Inquirer credit for calling the question. The lack of any serious commentary by the Post on the ditch Georgetown is in, and to a lesser extent, Maryland, speaks to a sports department trying to stay off an HR cut list. Writing about Kim Mulkey being a grouch and the vagaries of the US men's soccer team do nothing for local sports discussion. Georgetown is no longer a topic of local sports discussion, and really hasn’t been for quite some time. It’s a long road back, and only winning - a lot - will traverse it.
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Post by guru on Mar 25, 2024 8:18:20 GMT -5
Agreed, let’s get the right mix of talent, old and young, to where we are top 4 in the big East and dancing mostly every year. I was thinking about the 80s, we had only 1 title but had 3 final fours, 2 final 8’s, and make tournament every year. That’s what success looks like to ANY program. WE WILL GET THERE Thinking about the 80s is what got us into this position. It was fun and all - but it was also nearly half a century ago. Looking back, it’s hard not to be angry about the coaching search in 2017. JT Jr., enabled by DeGoia, basically nailed the coffin shut on our program with the Ewing hire. And it hurts even more that coaches like Hurley and Smart were available and we didn’t even give them a look. Georgetown basketball was built by - and demolished by - the same man. Now he’s gone, and the program is destroyed with no clear path back to respectability.
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Post by guru on Mar 24, 2024 14:35:35 GMT -5
Goodman is a loser, but I took his post as sarcasm. Maybe that’s giving him too much benefit of doubt.
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2024 7:01:57 GMT -5
I never recall Cooley saying he wanted to play fast. Ewing said that, but I don't recall Cooley saying that. So, you can make all the ad hominem attacks you want, but maybe back it up with some facts. Everyone always wants to play super fast, and yet, the fastest teams are often bad ones. In the top 50 in tempo, there are only 9 NCAA teams, for example, and a bunch of them are auto bids. He spoke about it during the pre & early season, it was around the same time he was saying this was the best shooting team he's had. The premise was since the team lacked size & its strength was in back-court & wings he wanted to play uptempo and look for early offense before the defense could get set. The best shooting team he’s ever had thing qualifies as an enormous WHOPPER
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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2024 17:18:50 GMT -5
Figure if Johnson is the new Assistant. You have a pretty good shot at 14 & 16 on this list. When was Johnson last involved in local DMV AAU hoops?
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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2024 11:57:22 GMT -5
You still don’t know what a straw man is do you? It’s amazing. I see you are taking a break from responding to every post TC makes to go back to your old stomping grounds. I appreciate the attention. To make it clear: 1. seaweed said he "had and have a moral objection to Pitino." The two bases for that were the prostitution situation at Louisville and Pitino's alleged marital indiscretions. 2. He said "I have brought this up many times." Presuambly "this" is both of the above. 3. He then said he "has never heard of a defense why it is OK to have a guy like that at our school." 4. I responded that "If you had a moral objection to Rick Pitino because he cheated on his wife (even though they are still together), did you have the same moral objection to hiring Patrick Ewing given what he admitted doing as part of the Gold Club scandal? Just Google "Ewing gold club" and you'll see what I mean." I also made the point that the NCAA did not find Pitino or Johnson directly culpable on the prostitute piece. So, I responded to both arguments. 5. seaweed responds with "hell of a straw man." There is no straw man here. Seaweed made an argument and I responded to it. Merrium Webster's definition of straw man: "a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted." Let's go to Dictionary.com: "a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument." Nothing in my post created a weak or imaginery argument or adversary. Nor did I fabricate anything. I responded directly to seaweed's points. My response was not to a straw man nor did it set up a straw man. TLDR: confirmed. You still don’t know what a straw man is.
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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2024 11:34:50 GMT -5
If you had a moral objection to Rick Pitino because he cheated on his wife (even though they are still together), did you have the same moral objection to hiring Patrick Ewing given what he admitted doing as part of the Gold Club scandal? Just Google "Ewing gold club" and you'll see what I mean. You say you have "never heard a defense of why it is OK to have a guy like that at our school" and yet--we already did for five seasons recently. The NCAA heavily investigated the recruiting scandal with the strippers and strongly came down on the other assistant for it. Neither Pitino or Johnson were found to have any direct involvement as far as I know (but you could argue Pitino should have had better control of the program, of course). Obviously, there is likely more to the story, but I have no reason to think that Johnson was involved in that. If he was, my view of his hiring would be significantly different. Hell of a straw man, focusing on parenthetical instead of substance. The substance is yhr hooker thing, not the infidelity. I am well aware of Ewing’s Gold Club story and don’t like it but don’t really care. Running a program that gets boomers for kids is the focus here. Defend that. And hiding behind “the NCAA didn’t nail him” is lame as we agree he knew it should have known and is ultimately responsible for any lack of oversight And of course it wasn’t just infidelity - there was also a rape allegation and payment for an abortion mixed in there as well. I know Georgetown is barely a Catholic institution at this point, but …
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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2024 11:31:50 GMT -5
Hell of a straw man, focusing on parenthetical instead of substance. The substance is yhr hooker thing, not the infidelity. I am well aware of Ewing’s Gold Club story and don’t like it but don’t really care. Running a program that gets boomers for kids is the focus here. Defend that. And hiding behind “the NCAA didn’t nail him” is lame as we agree he knew it should have known and is ultimately responsible for any lack of oversight You mentioned in your post Pitino's infidelity as a reason why you would not have wanted to hire him. I pointed out we already had a coach who exhibited infidelity. I was responding directly to your point. That's not a straw man. As far as the prostitute scandal at Louisville, I would not hire anybody with a direct role in that. That behavior was abhorrent. While I agree that Pitino should have been held responsible for lack of institutional discipline (and he was, including being fired), I think if he was directly involved in that incident, that he would have been implicated. Did he willingly ignore it? Maybe. I have no idea. But there is no indication that Kenny Johnson had any involvement in that, and I don't think Archie Miller would have hired Kenny Johnson if he did. You still don’t know what a straw man is do you? It’s amazing.
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 19:57:38 GMT -5
I'm old enough to remember hand-wringing and pearl-clutching from some around here when we hired the likes of Broads and Nickelberry. But I'm sure those folks will be on board with this hire. Why are you "sure" about that? Have any of the posters who complained about Broadus or Nickleberry approved the Johnson hiring? On the flip side, have any posters who supported hiring Pitino looked down their noses at hiring Johnson? There are posters who were loudly opposed to Nickelberry on moral grounds who have chosen not to weigh in on Johnson. The silence is atypical, but perhaps they just haven't had the chance to voice their displeasure yet.
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