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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 18, 2018 17:11:02 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything he can do to improve his stock. He's just really limited athletically and doesn't fit the mold of the current NBA 5. He can bulk up, get a post move that's automatic, play better defense, get more consistent from three, and pass better out of the double. Those are reasonable development points that absolutely improve his stock. He's not "bouncy" but he's a big guy with a long wingspan who can shoot. He definitely can improve his stock. MD I'd agree since he's neither long nor quick enough and never will be. But Govan has upside to realize.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 18, 2018 16:58:33 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree; even without the name this young man is better than given credit. Is he a center, no he is not. He is what the modern game today has evolved into is that he is more of a stretch 4 type. What has been lacking from that equation in the past is his body maturity (physical strength). When he body maturity catches up ( and I do not know when ) then he will be just fine. If you of the mind that we need that to happen now then all I can say is that only this fall will tell. And what I mean by fine is that he can be an important contributor to the team if that physical maturity starts to blossom. I'll acknowledge we haven't seen much of Mourning, and it's been 1+ years since he's even been active on the roster, so it's hard to say what Mourning will bring. A good example is Benimon who wasn't very good at Georgetown, but thrived after transfer (though I think some of that was easier competition; but regardless, he clearly improved). So maybe Mourning will benefit from sitting. I think what demonstrates how people do consider his legacy is that many consider him a center or reference him playing that position (not saying you do, but others in this thread have mentioned him backing up Govan, etc.). There is nothing about his makeup that says "Center" aside from the fact that his father played there. To clarify, I am not invoking the legacy thing as a way to be negative - it doesn't really matter to me either way, I just think he should be treated like everybody else. If the kid can play, he should play, if not, he should get limited minutes. For whatever reason, Mourning simply wasn't highly recruited, and largely looked at as a walk-on. This may have been his choice, which is fine, but the only schools I remember being mentioned aside from Georgetown were Florida and Duke. Both are good programs, but does anybody seriously think Mourning would have gotten significant run at Duke, for example? Coach K is notorious for smaller rotations, and Mourning likely would have been on the wrong side of that equation. As I've said, the kid could be fantastic, and I hope he is. He certainly has good resources available to work on his game, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he makes a jump from what he did a few seasons ago. He's the second-biggest guy on the team. I'm trying to figure out where all these beasts at back-up center are hiding. Sure seems like 6'9 230lbs is plenty of size for a backup center in today's game. Mikael Hopkins started at center for goodness sakes. Almost nobody actually plays pure center anymore so after Govan, it's really up in the air who fills in. I also think if Trey's name were Mitt Major, a grad transfer who averaged 16 and 9 at NW Montana Agricultural and Scatological, half the board would pencil him in for 20 minutes. His chances of starting are incredibly low. But our depth guys like Walker, Carter, and Trey all have plenty of unknowns. To think the 5th-year guy could earn solid backup minutes doesn't seem like such a wild stretch.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 18, 2018 5:40:26 GMT -5
Trey has to be better than the guy in front of him to get minutes. Right now he would seem to be our best option backing up Jessie. That hasn't been the case necessarily in the past. Would Trey have played better than Hayes or Agau? Maybe, but it's probably pretty close and JT just went another way. Not sure he had to completely bury him when the rotation wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, but it's defensible for him to be 3rd on the depth chart at C or PF in those cases.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 17, 2018 22:28:48 GMT -5
He is a great utility player. It will depend on how much that is needed...along with how much he improves. He had his chance to take over the team from the PG last year and was not able to deliver. That's because he's not a PG. Just moving him out of the PG role will make him seem much improved. If Mac proves to be a competent ball handler Jagan should start next to Akinjo. If not I guess he will be thrown back into the backup PG and people will complain even though he's playing out of position. Completely agree. Jagan, off the ball with a new found pull up jumper could be extremely effective.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 16, 2018 18:55:01 GMT -5
Agreed. He is a big step up in talent level. Agree with you and B&G, but do we have room for another transfer that would count against next year's scholarships? I would think so. We haven't filled MDs if he leaves. There's also the question of Malinowski as a walk on so should be good.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 16, 2018 16:55:00 GMT -5
Akinjo, Pickett, amd Govan start in any lineup.
The rest of the guys are so different that match-ups will determine the rotation. I would guess that's what Pat wants; to have maximum flexibility.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 14, 2018 8:59:48 GMT -5
Y’all realize if we get Akinjo, Pat has pulled in a top 25 class in his first season as head coach? That’s really impressive given our last 5 years. This isn't a criticism of Pat, but that isn't impressive at all considering the size of the class. Class rankings don't mean a lot, it's skewed towards quantity. Akinjo would be a great late addition and the best player in our class. Easily the third-best class in the Big East by quality or quantity. Better?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 9, 2018 17:36:06 GMT -5
The question isn't whether or not we'd be better with MD or not. We clearly would be better with him.
But without him will we still be better than this year? That's not as clear considering all the places to pick up value (development of six returning players, replacement of negative Dickermore, depth that was literally non-existent). Still have to see where the recruiting season ends to have any clue and even then, really won't have an idea until early in the season with so many moving parts.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 6, 2018 22:02:40 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone is arguing about how big a haul this would be this late in the game. Instead I think the commentary was more about the celebration of a mere visit, like that was enough of an achievement for us at this point. Nah, people think he's coming between this and the crystal ball prediction. That's the excitement. It's not the visit being celebrated as an achievement. Fans are just optimistic, that's all.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 3, 2018 8:58:40 GMT -5
If this is true, does it suck up a scholarship for next season? If it does, why are we doing it? From everything I read, the chances of him staying in school for another two years appears minimal. New NCAA rule where a player with 3.0 GPA or better can transfer and not have to sit out. So theoretically, he could play in 2018-2019 (the upcoming season). Also, everything we've all read is nice. But Patrick is actually discussing future plans with Omer. So I'll say his information trumps our blog reading.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 2, 2018 17:52:40 GMT -5
Right--so my point again being, why would he transfer to Georgetown where (assuming immediate eligibility) he would likely not be the feature front court player next year? I think if he comes it will be so he can play stretch 4 (his NBA position) and not have to play down low like he was forced into at NC State. I have to think if this is to happen that would kind of be the deal. The question becomes what do we do on D. I think zone would have to be the answer. Agreed. Why are we questioning a 6'11 kid who can shoot the three wanting to play in our offense? Of course he would. We need a lead guard but the idea of Govan in the middle surrounded by Yurt, MD, and Pickett is pretty positive, I would say.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 1, 2018 19:38:27 GMT -5
Perhaps he doesn't like Keatts. Agreed. I mean why would he be especially married to Keatts? Tried a year, didn't work, transferring. Not crazy given the coaching change.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 1, 2018 6:45:11 GMT -5
Interesting you say that. I actually found tonight's Nova game great to watch. The spacing, passing were amazing. The opposite of the NBA clear it out one on one. There was one sequence where Divincenzo almost took a bad three, then shot faked, made the extra pass to maybe Spellman or Paschal (can't remember) for the wide open 3 in the corner. Really showed the unselfishness and great ball movement of that team. No offense but that's a college basketball fan cliche about how the NBA is all one-on-one. That isn't the case and hasn't been for awhile. The very best teams do actually space and pass and work as a team to get hoops. Golden State, the best team, does that as does LeBron James, the best player (LBJ never played Hero Ball like Kobe). And that helps set a tone. Hell even a team that played what would like ancient hoops now, Tim Duncan's Spurs, was all about team work and passing rather than its players going one-on-one. They won a bunch of championships doing that. Of course the better teams and the better players in the NBA can go one-on-one when needed which is not a bad thing to do at times to throw some variety in the mix on offense. Villanova;s players will resort to such tactics too when the Wildcats need a big bucket in a tight game. Against Providence in the BE Finals you saw Brunson and Bridges play that way down the stretch because the Friars defense was tight and the Wildcats's three-point attempts weren't falling reliably. Nova never had to go that route against Kansas because after the first five minutes the outcome was never in doubt. Meanwhile I watched a Kansas team in tonight's Final Four who went the one-on-one method for much if not most of their possessions so I guess the college game isn't immune from such a style of play being displayed all throughout a contest. Agreed, the NBA game is the opposite of one-on-one. Its all flow and just better in every way. When college players stayed 4 years and were the main pipeline to the league, you could see college and NBA games as at least somewhat related. Now with the global talent pool and kids leaving early, the NBA is a different level.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 31, 2018 22:19:47 GMT -5
It’s not even basketball I can’t stand anything about it. The 3 point line needs to move to where the nba 3 is. Again more whining. Guys, would you be saying the same thing if the team hitting all the 3's were wearing Hoya uniforms? I'm sorry but Jay Wright has revolutionized the game. Sure they made a lot of 3's but notice how open they were, how they went inside out, how with one or two exceptions none of the 3's were ridiculous shots. Folks this is the face of college basketball. Let's hope PE is watching and is recruiting accordingly. Oh I agree if it were the Hoyas, we'd feel differently. But thats just it, it's not and if you don't have a dog in the fight, it's boring. More than ever, you watch the NBA for basketball and college for your alma mater.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 25, 2018 12:42:55 GMT -5
Chosen by his college coach in the worst Olympic performance ever by a USA men’s basketball team that led to the advent of NBA players competing in the Olympics. But yes, technically an Olympian. All true but that Olymoic loss was not his fault. Check out the stinker that Manning mailed in against the Russians... Also if memory serves, Hawkins missed the USSR game with an injury. The team was poorly constructed but Big John’s marquee players came up way small. I'm not sure which one of Big John's losses is more overblown; the one where we lost by two to a conference rival we beat by two in OT the same season or the 7-1 Olympic team that lost to a Soviet team with two future Hall of Famers. Nobody gets destroyed for his losses like JT. Half the media counts Princeton as a loss.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 25, 2018 8:41:15 GMT -5
I have to say though watching this tournament I think the difference between missing the field and making a run isn't that great. None of these teams are really that impressive. Villanova and Duke look like the best teams but the difference between a national championship team and a good team for Nova is exactly one Brunson. And Brunson is a great leader and a pro but he's not Melo.
Put it this way, if you watched Kentucky-KSU and Penn State-ND, you couldn't tell which game was NIT and which was for the Elite Eight. Are we close to being at the top every year? No, but we can definitely get to the point of contending in the fairly short term given the current landscape.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 22, 2018 22:22:37 GMT -5
Xavier Sneed..3-star recruit.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 22, 2018 20:52:16 GMT -5
"Huge thank you" means "thanks but no thanks." One down.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 22, 2018 20:14:46 GMT -5
I just want to get to Loyola-Chicago level of talent. Kenny Izzo's second choice (seriously)
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 22, 2018 19:11:53 GMT -5
List of actual guards on this roster for next year: * Jagan Mosely * Jahvon Blair * Greg Malinowski * Mac McClung * Jamorko Pickett could/will get some time at 2 guard, but it's stretching to call him a guard at this time (Yes, I've seen the roster. I don't care. He's a 3 who can play the 2 but it's not ideal). Blair doesn't have outstanding athleticism, but he's still a freshman, with a lot of easy improvements to make on offense and defense. He has some upside. And even with that, he had the highest Big East offensive efficiency -- on higher usage than necessary -- than any other guard on the team. He has a nice shot, and if he improves decision making and shooting, I fail to see how he's not getting minutes even if we sign another freshman guard. I just don't get the "Blair as whipping boy" thing this board has. I mean, Mosely wasn't better. Malinowski wasn't better ... at W&M. I just don't see why someone who performed pretty well -- and he did -- as a freshman is suddenly doomed to no time. I love Mac and I think there's a good chance he's our best guard next year, but Blair is going to play. It is not that he is a whipping boy. I think the analytics are taking his Free throw points and skewing him into an effecient player. No efficent player in old terms would garner favor with a .332 overall FG%. I agree he has that Lou Williams get fouled shooting a jumper thing down but besides that I see him as a single tool in the toolbox with 1 use, scoring the ball. Nothing wrong with that but he could get buried with the next 2 classes coming in. If you think he's going to miss well I guess don't foul him since he's the 4th best FT shooter in the league. But crazy enough, everyone fouls him. I guess defenders just get stupid when he drives. Guaranteed if Mac does the exact same thing he "draws contact" while Blair is a "one trick pony." All skills are not created equal. Blair finished 10 points behind Spellman in freshman scoring. That's not a small feat. Of course he has a lot to work on but I'm not burying him for any reason. All skills are not created equal and his main one is the most important one.
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