hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 26, 2007 21:11:07 GMT -5
Don't freak out guys. We just shot poorly tonight. Let's get 'em in the BET!
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Post by Frank Black on Feb 26, 2007 21:12:38 GMT -5
Ghastly, wretched stuff. The Orange were very, very good tonight. Big credit, they did a lot of stuff well. Smothering D and some really clutch shots. But we stank up the joint. Yes, their D was terrific. But 4-20 from 3 when I turned it off?
Fatigue, letdown, inspired opponent. We are still capable of a Final Four run, just forget this happened and thrash UConn.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Feb 26, 2007 21:12:40 GMT -5
Wallace has looked like a freshman in a couple of recent games, Rivers just looks like he always does, like he has NO BUSINESS on the floor of a Big East game. He is a A10 level player right now at best. What are you talking about in regard to Rivers? He's only guard who showed up for this game with some tough play on both ends. I think Staff and Players were too overanxious or overhyped--they lost their poise and played like crap--Jeff Green has been absent since halfway mark of 2nd Half and Roy has been taken out of game--by our own team and by Syracuse intimidating the players--our frontline guys are playing timid/scared. Only guys I would give credit tonight for their play are Patrick Ewing JR and Rivers. They played solid, tough, and on BOTH ENDS. Jeff Green was bad tonight--really bad. Hope it's out of his system and he comes back strong on Saturday. Losing your poise as a team at this time of year is not acceptible and that is what happened tonight. This was a winnable game and our guys didn't accept the challenge. Credit Syracuse for bringing a tough minded effort tonight and credit our program for acting like punks tonight minus 2 kids whose fathers understood what TYPE OF EFFORT/INTENSITY IS NEEDED in games like this. This was bunk from everyone else --top on down. BTW---I'm not hammering on the guys overall but tonight was crap from 10 minute mark of 2nd Half in terms of being scared and seeing Green go absent from being a factor. As for the sloppy turnovers--that has to be shored up or this fun ride will end soon--no excuse for sloppy turnovers, not knowing how much time is left on shotclock, and just being weak with ball--that has no timetable, no age limit, etc...you either are STRONG WITH THE FREAKING BALL or you are not--and everyone was weak with the damn ball tonight--letting guys slap ball out of their hands, deflections, half assed passes, and just lazy ball handling/passing. No excuses. Cuse OWNED us tonight. Only thing I'll bring up about officiating is they have to prevent opposing team from touching ball after a hoop is made--you can't let that happen and it did all game--it's on III to bring it up and it allows them to set up their defense---should've been done immediately--but wasn't and that is on officials--it had no bearing on game--but was only fault I saw all night. Hope everyone who wanted to get their rear ends kicked by our top rival ENJOYS tonight--you know that loss and ass whuppin' feels so good--and now the team will be so confident heading into remainder of year. This is why you better be careful for what you wish for because Hoyas were DOMINATED in every facet tonight--outcoached, outplayed, out-toughed, and just beaten to death by a team who was hungrier, tougher, and made shots/plays. Enjoy the butt kicking fellas--cause I sure as hell won't.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2007 21:14:36 GMT -5
Casually speaking, I think the team was way out of sync tonight.
Move on to the next one.
Has Karl Hess reffed any of the Hoyas' games yet this year before this one?
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Feb 26, 2007 21:15:12 GMT -5
If Rivers played well on offense tonight, it must have been when I was busy throwing up in my mouth. He is WORTHLESS with the ball. He immediatley throws the rock back to whoever threw it to him. He makes the easy pass as soon as he can and he cannot shoot . LIABILITY. Only one guy played a good game...Ewing.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 26, 2007 21:15:21 GMT -5
Meh, this was just one of those games - Florida has certainly had their share. In fact, except for the teams who never play a team with 5-able-bodied starters (Nevada, Memphis), everyone has had these.
On to UConn, and then 3 wins for the BET title.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 26, 2007 21:15:37 GMT -5
RDF,
good post, but don't forget that the guys stepped up to the challenge against Marquette, Pitt, Nova on the road and Louisville on the road.
We just didn't play well tonight. We just need to move on, and hope we see these clowns in the BET
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 26, 2007 21:15:51 GMT -5
I can't watch anymore. Click. However, some of the reactions here already are ridiculous. Look, we played a terrible game - not one single Hoya even brought their B game. The fact that it is against 'Cuse breaks my heart. But let it go. Beat the Huskies and take the BET. see, i just don't understand where the 'ridiculous reactions' are - people have been commenting about how terribly we have played - which we have. now if our level of play against SYRACUSE is meaningless or not comment-worthy, then why even watch? edit: ok just saw that you turned off the game. You are absolutely right. I swear that were a couple of crazy posts out there (you know the type -- I can't believe we thought this team was going to contend for a national championship, they are going nowhere yada yada yada). They are not there now. I edited my post. The terrible performance surely should be criticized. I just don't like seeing fans abandon ship after one bad game.
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Post by doublehoya on Feb 26, 2007 21:18:55 GMT -5
Devendorf has entered my top 10 of least favorite Big East players of all time tonight, passing Carl Krauser for 9th. You and my wife should start a bowling team, Madge . . . she NEVER watches games with me, and all she could say was how much she hate him. She isn't allowed to watch anymore games . . . the one she watches, they lose. The sky isn't falling, but this was a miserable loss. p.s. she is over my shoulder telling me "not to put anything about her in your little thing" and "to stop falsifying things. . . ." She now says "You wait, I am going to start my own type and chat board"
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Feb 26, 2007 21:21:25 GMT -5
Missing shots is going to happen over course of a year--I have no problem with that. Sapp is taking good shots and if he doesn't take that shot--he shouldn't be in game--so I applaud him and other kids for shooting. LOSING YOUR POISE is NOT acceptible and III lost his poise, Jeff lost his poise, and team has played out of character. Jeff has played very poor after the woofing between he and Devendork and Cuse upped their level of play--and Hoyas haven't answered. If you think Sapp should be leading the team in shot attempts, then we have vastly different opinions of what this team should be trying to accomplish offensively. Who else was stepping forward to take shots? Sapp got the lead for us tonight and was battling--he was CRAP AWFUL with ball and our fastbreaking leaves much to be desired. Those opportunities have to be converted and you have to give up the ball and capitalize on 3 on 1's and easy opportunities. Sapp only forced about 2/3 shots--nobody else was stepping up--including Jeff who has played at a level that we HAVE TO HAVE--otherwise we're not a very competitive team. If he slips like tonight--this is going to be a quick March--so hopefully this stinker is out of his system. It wasn't him missing shots--it was him going AWOL after he and Devedork got into it--he played like crap--him flopping on Devendork changed game from 1-4 pt hole because it allowed them a numbers game, then he makes a terrible pass to Roy, then he goes up weak, and he just didn't play tough enough--you have to FIGHT THROUGH games like this and make your presence in other ways when shot isn't falling--problem is nobody else could make a shot either--and it's hopefully not going to happen too much more--can't afford it to. As for zone offense--it's easily correctible--but you have to commit to doing things crisply and sharp--be it cuts, passes, ball movement, etc.. and you can't float passes or settle for shots--which we saw a lot tonight due to backline guys not moving and our guards getting forced too far out. Cuse's size caused our team fits and we played silly with basketball. This is where the depth of backcourt next year comes in handy too--when you have more options it makes team stronger due to fact when guys are having an off night--you have other kids who can pick up the slack and especially when they are perimeter kids who can shoot the ball in addition to the frontcourt guys.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 26, 2007 21:21:31 GMT -5
If Rivers played well on offense tonight, it must have been when I was busy throwing up in my mouth. He is WORTHLESS with the ball. He immediatley throws the rock back to whoever threw it to him. He makes the easy pass as soon as he can and he cannot shoot . LIABILITY. Rivers is not a liability, he needs to get more comfortable out there. When he shoots, its butter (I wonder what his 3pt % is in league play). Recently, he has been the best with the ball (less turnovers then Jessie or JWall). I'm sick and tired of people blaming Rivers, its not his fault, its the whole teams fault. Give him more time and he will be great. I guess you are just forgetting that JTIII says that it usually take 1.5-2 years to get completely into our system.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 26, 2007 21:22:09 GMT -5
see, i just don't understand where the 'ridiculous reactions' are - people have been commenting about how terribly we have played - which we have. now if our level of play against SYRACUSE is meaningless or not comment-worthy, then why even watch? edit: ok just saw that you turned off the game. You are absolutely right. I swear that were a couple of crazy posts out there (you know the type -- I can't believe we thought this team was going to contend for a national championship, they are going nowhere yada yada yada). They are not there now. I edited my post. The terrible performance surely should be criticized. I just don't like seeing fans abandon ship after one bad game. Disgusted? Sure. But are we really that shocked here? This was a very loseable game (hey I even had us losing it before the season). Overreaction was to be expected since it is a message board after all. But we just went 6-1 in a stretch of 6 tournament teams and 4 road games. Anyone who abandons ship is, well, not very bright.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 26, 2007 21:22:56 GMT -5
easily the worst game we played all season. how we respond saturday is going to say a lot about this team.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 26, 2007 21:25:01 GMT -5
We weren't tired, maybe the refs stunk, but BE reffing has stunk all year in just about every BE game I've seen all year.......this was about a team that was feeling the pressure of a huge winning streak and national attention like they haven't seen since the beginning of the year.......this was about a team that knew the BE championship was on the line........this was about a team that was coming into a place they haven't won in 12(?) years on senior night........this was about a team that was nervous, tight and dare I say intimidated.....not necessarily by the players, but by the place and the situation. If the guys can learn from this and turn it into a BET championship or better yet a Final 4 appearance at minimum, then maybe it was worth it. Other than that, despite how much I love this team and every player on this team and despite the fact that I think they all played as hard as they could tonight, this loss (for me) takes a HUGE chunk out of the success of the team for this season. Again, this is just for me (and I am sure some others here feel the same way). When Syracuse has been the most hated sports team in your life for the past 25 years and you live less than an hour from Syracuse, to lose a game like this in this fashion is absolutely devastating. To those of you that can look past this loss and have it not bother you all that much, I envy you......I can't. Again, to the team, I thank you for the effort and realize it just wasn't there tonight. I can only hope this can lead to big things the rest of this year to help erase the memory of this awful experience. As I get ready to watch Heroes....maybe HRG can have my memory erased by the Haitian, although I'm not even sure he could make me forget this one.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 26, 2007 21:26:08 GMT -5
But, why 'Cuse? I must have said this about 500 times in my head tonight...
Oh, I despise them.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 26, 2007 21:26:29 GMT -5
If you think Sapp should be leading the team in shot attempts, then we have vastly different opinions of what this team should be trying to accomplish offensively. Who else was stepping forward to take shots? Sapp got the lead for us tonight and was battling--he was CRAP AWFUL with ball and our fastbreaking leaves much to be desired. Those opportunities have to be converted and you have to give up the ball and capitalize on 3 on 1's and easy opportunities. Sapp only forced about 2/3 shots--nobody else was stepping up--including Jeff who has played at a level that we HAVE TO HAVE--otherwise we're not a very competitive team. If he slips like tonight--this is going to be a quick March--so hopefully this stinker is out of his system. It wasn't him missing shots--it was him going AWOL after he and Devedork got into it--he played like crap--him flopping on Devendork changed game from 1-4 pt hole because it allowed them a numbers game, then he makes a terrible pass to Roy, then he goes up weak, and he just didn't play tough enough--you have to FIGHT THROUGH games like this and make your presence in other ways when shot isn't falling--problem is nobody else could make a shot either--and it's hopefully not going to happen too much more--can't afford it to. As for zone offense--it's easily correctible--but you have to commit to doing things crisply and sharp--be it cuts, passes, ball movement, etc.. and you can't float passes or settle for shots--which we saw a lot tonight due to backline guys not moving and our guards getting forced too far out. Cuse's size caused our team fits and we played silly with basketball. This is where the depth of backcourt next year comes in handy too--when you have more options it makes team stronger due to fact when guys are having an off night--you have other kids who can pick up the slack and especially when they are perimeter kids who can shoot the ball in addition to the frontcourt guys. Fair enough explanation. I just think our guards have to work harder to get the bigs the ball, and Sapp too often settles, and NEVER seems to hit an open big who is running the floor with him on the break.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 26, 2007 21:28:02 GMT -5
Hope everyone who wanted to get their rear ends kicked by our top rival ENJOYS tonight--you know that loss and ass whuppin' feels so good--and now the team will be so confident heading into remainder of year. This is why you better be careful for what you wish for because Hoyas were DOMINATED in every facet tonight--outcoached, outplayed, out-toughed, and just beaten to death by a team who was hungrier, tougher, and made shots/plays. Enjoy the butt kicking fellas--cause I sure as hell won't.
What he wrote.
The only thing that I'm happy about is that I don't see a bunch of bridge jumpers posting because of one bad game. Looks like we were absolutely abominable tonight. No excuses. Syracuse's schedule was similar to ours. Just put it behind us, and come back and whack UConn Saturday. You won't beat St. Leo's shooting 30% overall and 20% (or whatever we were) from three.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Feb 26, 2007 21:28:53 GMT -5
It may be true that Rivers can grow into the role, I just think he is our weakest link of all those who play regularly. And from what I hear, he won't play much starting next year. If Rivers played well on offense tonight, it must have been when I was busy throwing up in my mouth. He is WORTHLESS with the ball. He immediatley throws the rock back to whoever threw it to him. He makes the easy pass as soon as he can and he cannot shoot . LIABILITY. Rivers is not a liability, he needs to get more comfortable out there. When he shoots, its butter (I wonder what his 3pt % is in league play). Recently, he has been the best with the ball (less turnovers then Jessie or JWall). I'm sick and tired of people blaming Rivers, its not his fault, its the whole teams fault. Give him more time and he will be great. I guess you are just forgetting that JTIII says that it usually take 1.5-2 years to get completely into our system.
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Post by HoyaSC on Feb 26, 2007 21:30:55 GMT -5
Just a bad shooting night. Nobody had any touch. Not from three, not even from close in. Bad shooting nights just happen sometimes, even to very good teams (like ours). Nobody should panic about this. Be Editeded off that it happened against Syracuse, yes. But panic, no.
The only thing that disturbs me about tonight's game is the continued inability to get it into Roy. The guards are unable to throw it into him. He was the only player who had any touch on the ball tonight, but took only 4 shots. I really didn't think they played Roy with nearly the caliber of defense that Nova or even Cincy did to prevent him from getting the ball. Just a lack of a plan to go to him and run the offense through Roy. The only times they would get him the ball was behind the backboard where it is almost a guaranteed TO.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 26, 2007 21:31:05 GMT -5
I'll get the officiating out of the way immediately because I don't want to make it the main point of my post. When Sean "Cuse Grad" McDonough starts pointing out non-calls in Cuse's favor and JTIII gets the first tech I can remember him ever getting, you have to believe the calls were bad. Hard to win when it's 5 on 8.
But, having said that, we wouldn't have won 5 on 5 with the way we played tonight. I wrote in the pre-game thread that I was extremely worried about the quick turnaround and long travel. We were flat all night, and no one had any legs to shoot (hence the 31% FG). I don't think TC played in the final 8 minutes to provide a spark; I think our guards tired. RDF was right in that the only guys who showed any fire tonight were Rivers and Ewing, and not surprisingly, both did not play heavy minutes on Saturday. Roy and Jeff were completely ineffective, but it's the first time in awhile (especially for Jeff), so we can't really get on them for having an off night. I thought we passed well against the zone in the first half; the entry passes to the middle were crisp and we got a lot of good looks from 10-12 feet. But they took that away from us in the 2nd half, and once they started hitting 3's from everywhere, we couldn't keep up. Sometimes teams do that, and Rautins especially was launching from well behind the arc all night and you just have to tip your cap sometimes.
Let's keep things in perspective here. We just tied the school record for BE wins in a row, will finish no worse than a tie for the best record in the league with a win on Saturday, and will be no lower than a 2 seed starting in two Thursdays. We went from barely getting any top 25 votes to a Top 10 ranking and Top 20 in the RPI, and almost assuredly a protected seed for the NCAAs. We have the nation talking us up like I have never witnessed before in my 6 years as a Hoya fan. We are still a damn good team with lots of talent and a coach who knows what he is doing. A loss was almost inevitable (it has been for every team in the country), and although this one stings more than most, we are still going to be OK when all is said and done.
Think of it this way: someone just rushed the court after beating us. That's the first time I've ever seen that happen as a Hoya fan. THAT is how far we have come.
A new streak is about to start. In the meanwhile, stay proud of our guys and staff and how far this program has come not only this year, but the last 3 years.
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