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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 16, 2024 14:54:26 GMT -5
Barring a major improvement in the next month, it's hard to see how we are going to win more than a handful of Big East games, even with the better talent compared to next year. And we have no real games in the next month to really even know if we are going to improve.
Ed Cooley is likely to take a lot of crap after this game, and he deserves it. This type of performance is unacceptable.
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Post by cas92 on Nov 16, 2024 14:54:36 GMT -5
Epps is a disaster with the ball in his hands. Open players around him, two defenders on him and he is wasting all of it. Undersized shooting guard lacking in the wherewithal to be an efficient quality shooting guard. Mentioned this in the GT against Fairfield that's he's only quasi-reliable on catch and shoot jumpers - his iso dribble and then jack up a shot tends to veer towards the right, there's never a set, repeatable (and respectable shooting) form with that move which inevitably clanks off the rim every time. |
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Post by guru on Nov 16, 2024 14:55:13 GMT -5
Well this result is much more embarrassing than my worst fears. No offense, poor defense. Have not seen a lack of effort and hoping that this is just an aberration. My real concern is what happens next. Is this just going to be an incredibly bad shooting team or can someone breakout? Defense? Seems to no longer be something this program can do. They have made Norte Dame look like an elite team. Hate to see these performances when the program is trying to get the fans back. On national broadcast TV, no less. All it did was reaffirm most people’s belief that Georgetown basketball is dead. |
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2024 14:55:18 GMT -5
A really good shooter with sweet mechanics. My understanding is that McKenna is more of a scorer than a shooter, but that stroke looked sweet. If he were ready to be a shooter, I think there would be a lot of minutes available. High school and travel he was shooter and slash to the basket. Graduating early from high school to red shirt and not have a year of competitive play seems to have added rust and not helped his game. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 16, 2024 14:55:43 GMT -5
Epps is a disaster with the ball in his hands. Open players around him, two defenders on him and he is wasting all of it. Undersized shooting guard lacking in the wherewithal to be an efficient quality shooting guard. Mentioned this in the GT against Fairfield that's he's only quasi-reliable on catch and shoot jumpers - his iso dribble and then jack up a shot tends to veer towards the right, there's never a set, repeatable (and respectable shooting) form with that move which inevitably clanks off the rim every time. Epps' height isn't the problem. The problem is that he cannot score well. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 16, 2024 14:59:51 GMT -5
Disappointing to say the least
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2024 15:01:02 GMT -5
Barring a major improvement in the next month, it's hard to see how we are going to win more than a handful of Big East games, even with the better talent compared to next year. And we have no real games in the next month to really even know if we are going to improve. Ed Cooley is likely to take a lot of crap after this game, and he deserves it. This type of performance is unacceptable. A handful of Big East wins was the upside case. We are staring the downside case in the eyes. |
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Post by cas92 on Nov 16, 2024 15:01:15 GMT -5
Undersized shooting guard lacking in the wherewithal to be an efficient quality shooting guard. Mentioned this in the GT against Fairfield that's he's only quasi-reliable on catch and shoot jumpers - his iso dribble and then jack up a shot tends to veer towards the right, there's never a set, repeatable (and respectable shooting) form with that move which inevitably clanks off the rim every time. Epps' height isn't the problem. The problem is that he cannot score well. No disagreement - his game is the least likeable on the team - he's playing with the mentality of a pickup game where he's hunting for his each and every time down the floor - and never exerting the same effort defensively, going under screens instead of battling through them. |
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Post by hoyajinx on Nov 16, 2024 15:01:48 GMT -5
At the very least we limited the turnovers. Besides that, not great.
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Post by traversb on Nov 16, 2024 15:01:48 GMT -5
That was everything I was worried about all in one game. The biggest glaring red flag is how well it looked like one team was coached compared to the other. The talent is better than last year but that was a last year performance almost to a T minute the offensive rebounding.
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 16, 2024 15:01:55 GMT -5
Was busy with kid stuff so did not watch. Seems to have been for the best.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 16, 2024 15:02:07 GMT -5
We beat this team last year in South Bend. And now they are 20 points better than us at home? That’s the opposite of progress. But we’re young right?!
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2024 15:02:46 GMT -5
How did Shrewsbury built that team that looks so cohesive on defense and shows planned plays over and over on offense? Why can’t Cooley do that? Need more time to look cohesive on both sides of the ball?
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Post by reformation on Nov 16, 2024 15:06:02 GMT -5
Obviously disappointing outing. In the short term, i.e., this year I would think we'd try to get some offensive flow prioritizing Sorber, Peavey, and Mack. Basically, run an offense that allows those three to be in their most advantageous positions. Its impt to make some visible w/l progress this year so we can continue to add more talented players. Epps I think is still not adding anything.
Longer term we need to recruit players that can shoot. I've said this many times before and a lot of people on the board say you can just "coach up" shooting ability. That's true to a limited extent--like adding a mid-range floater to a good outside shooter. Guys who consistently brick open shots aren't going to change that much--certainly not in a game.
We are a very easy team to defend. Probably the only player I would care about as an opposing coach is Sorber down low. Sorber has been generally impressive so far--In term of team construction his standing out also shows that we need more top recruits to be competitive-not a huge revelation
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2024 15:06:18 GMT -5
Notre Dame scored 1.37 points per possession...lol
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Post by kghoya on Nov 16, 2024 15:08:14 GMT -5
We beat this team last year in South Bend. And now they are 20 points better than us at home? That’s the opposite of progress. But we’re young right?! Epps didn't play in that game. |
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Post by adm1hoya on Nov 16, 2024 15:09:45 GMT -5
Gotta have shooters in todays game, it's that simple. You need 2-3 guys that can knock down open 3pt shots, or it will eventually lead to you playing from behind on most nights. Well then we have a roster design problem because we have no one who fits that description. That's the way the college game has been played for the past decade. No excuse to build a roster without a couple of shooters. We can play great D and muck it up and win a few ugly games, but it won't lead to sustained success in today's game. Spacing and shooting is where it's at. |
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2024 15:10:37 GMT -5
Epps is a disaster with the ball in his hands. Open players around him, two defenders on him and he is wasting all of it. Undersized shooting guard lacking in the wherewithal to be an efficient quality shooting guard. Mentioned this in the GT against Fairfield that's he's only quasi-reliable on catch and shoot jumpers - his iso dribble and then jack up a shot tends to veer towards the right, there's never a set, repeatable (and respectable shooting) form with that move which inevitably clanks off the rim every time. Yep, pretty much what a lot of us have been saying since Epps got here. Epps hasn't improved, and somehow seems to have regressed. His strength is as a set shooter. Not helpfult to the team at all with the ball in his hands dribbling. Defense is largely non-existent (advanced stats are through the floor with advanced stats defense, but eye test show his heart isn't in defense). With the ball in his hands he doesn't look for teammates and often draws double teams, which means somebody is open, but he has no insight to look - at this stage of his career he should know who is open based on who is on him with added coverage. He is a 15 minute a game player who should be off ball unless putting up a three that is open. Hoyas badly need his shooting, but he brings a lot of liabilities. |
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Nov 16, 2024 15:10:53 GMT -5
Ed is getting way too much money, personally and via NIL, to get blasted by a mid team at home. Ridiculous.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 16, 2024 15:11:08 GMT -5
Was busy with kid stuff so did not watch. Seems to have been for the best. You may have saved yourself |
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