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Post by EtomicB on Sept 13, 2024 9:27:14 GMT -5
Interesting..
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 13, 2024 9:54:46 GMT -5
Makes sense--the Big East has a seat on the committee, but Barry Collier (Butler) retired and Mark Jackson (Villanova) left for Northwestern. Reed is the senior Big East AD.
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Post by hoyas315 on Sept 13, 2024 11:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by Just Cos on Sept 13, 2024 12:34:09 GMT -5
Makes sense--the Big East has a seat on the committee, but Barry Collier (Butler) retired and Mark Jackson (Villanova) left for Northwestern. Reed is the senior Big East AD. Is this committee the same as the selection committee?
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Post by seaweed on Sept 13, 2024 12:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Sept 13, 2024 12:48:58 GMT -5
Bahar was previously an assistant at Fairfield and more recently with the University of San Diego.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 13, 2024 13:24:42 GMT -5
Makes sense--the Big East has a seat on the committee, but Barry Collier (Butler) retired and Mark Jackson (Villanova) left for Northwestern. Reed is the senior Big East AD. Is this committee the same as the selection committee? I think so. Members on the selection committee seem to be the same as in the guhoyas.com announcement. hoopshd.com/ncaa-selection-committee/Reed will be one of five first-year members of the committee, joining Irma Garcia of Manhattan, Stu Jackson of the West Coast Conference, Brian Thornton of the Western Athletic Conference and Chad Weiberg of Oklahoma State. Bubba Cunningham of North Carolina will chair the committee for the 2024-25 season, while Sun Belt Conference Commissioner Keith Gill will serve as vice chair. Other returning members include Greg Byrne of Alabama, Mark Coyle of Minnesota, Arthur Johnson of Temple, Martin Newton of Samford and Tom Wistrcill of the Big Sky Conference. guhoyas.com/news/2024/9/13/general-lee-reed-appointed-to-ncaa-division-i-mens-basketball-committee.aspx#:~:text=Bubba%20Cunningham%20of%20North%20Carolina,will%20serve%20as%20vice%20chair.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Sept 13, 2024 14:40:59 GMT -5
MY understanding is that "selection committee" is just a nickname for the Men's Basketball Committee, because selecting the field of the tournament is the most visible thing in its remit.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 14, 2024 10:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 14, 2024 15:08:14 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 15, 2024 14:46:09 GMT -5
Has this been touched upon here? First came across it on Casual Hoya. www.casualhoya.com/2024/9/5/24236988/links-georgetown-ranked-13th-in-talent-by-analytics-expert-ed-cooley-mack-epps-peavy-sorber-big-eastMay seem like a bit of a stretch but it may be closer to reality than the prognosticators (and some on this board) who think so little of our players that they feel the Hoyas will finish at the bottom of the BE. There is real talent on this team. Cam it overcome the relative inexperience? BE Mike tweet above is the kind of boaShut uplness we haven't seen much around these parts. I am total in agreement about Epps and Mack being an elite backcourt. Let the rest of the world find out when its time. I am not concerned about Epps' three point shooting, I am more concerned over his shot attempts. At least I was last year. The vast majority of his misses from long range seemed to come from bad to horrible shot attempts. He is not Curry and he isn't going to make those. But if he gets good looks his percentage obviously goes way up. He will be better playing alongside a "star" like Mack who will take away Epps pressure of having to do it all on offense in way too many games while also being the target of the opposing defense. Epps should get a bunch more good looks in games thanks to Mack. Actually Epps should make life easier for Mack too. People are sleeping on them imo. The better shots for the guards will improve more as well once the experience of the frontcourt players begins to catch up to their talent. Really loving what I'm hearing about those dudes. Even if Seal has to redshirt, the depth should be enough. And by the time February rolls around I truly think Georgetown should have one of the e top frontcourts in the conference. Frankly this makes me even more disappointed in the schedule. Its horrible. This is season two for Cooley and according to him this team will have nothing but completely legitimate BE players on the roster. So he should schedule like he believes this is the case. The schedule does little for the team and nothing for the conference. You get punished more for beating (or God forbid losing) to bad teams than you do to losing to good ones.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 15, 2024 15:08:24 GMT -5
New video of Mack having an in-depth discussion on his game. Worth a watch.
Also a bonus...relatively new Drew Fielder high school highlights
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 15, 2024 15:21:46 GMT -5
Has this been touched upon here? First came across it on Casual Hoya. May seem like a bit of a stretch but it may be closer to reality than the prognosticators (and some on this board) who think so little of our players that they feel the Hoyas will finish at the bottom of the BE. There is real talent on this team. Cam it overcome the relative inexperience? Twitter posts like this are largely clickbait: Bart Torvik's statistical projection still has Georgetown under .500 and tied for ninth. Last year, Ed Cooley had six players with significant major college basketball experience: Epps, Styles, Massoud, Cook, Bristol, and Heath--and these six accounted for 79 percent of the scoring and 78 percent of the minutes. In 2024-25, he again has six: Epps, Fielder, Peavy, Mack, Burks and Curtis Williams. For all the potential elsewhere on the roster, they won't be significant contributors if these six are eating up minutes like this. In fact, if Epps is seeing anything close to 30 minutes a game in the non-conference, that's a red flag. Georgetown has talent. Every Big East team does, including an improving DePaul team. But I would be surprised if any local or national writers pick Georgetown above ninth, in no small part to lack of Big East-quality experience. And all that talent won't be of much help in January and February if Cooley doesn't get them off the bench in November and December.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 16, 2024 5:49:15 GMT -5
Has this been touched upon here? First came across it on Casual Hoya. or waer to reality than the prognosticators (and some on this board) who think so little of our players that they feel the Hoyas will finish at the bottom of the BE. There is real talent on this team. Cam it overcome the relative inexperience? Twitter posts like this are largely clickbait: Bart Torvik's statistical projection still has Georgetown under .500 and tied for ninth. Last year, Ed Cooley had six players with significant major college basketball experience: Epps, Styles, Massoud, Cook, Bristol, and Heath--and these six accounted for 79 percent of the scoring and 78 percent of the minutes. In 2024-25, he again has six: Epps, Fielder, Peavy, Mack, Burks and Curtis Williams. For all the potential elsewhere on the roster, they won't be significant contributors if these six are eating up minutes like this. In fact, if Epps is seeing anything close to 30 minutes a game in the non-conference, that's a red flag. Georgetown has talent. Every Big East team does, including an improving DePaul team. But I would be surprised if any local or national writers pick Georgetown above ninth, in no small part to lack of Big East-quality experience. And all that talent won't be of much help in January and February if Cooley doesn't get them off the bench in November and December. People won't pick Georgetown higher than the very bottom of the BE because they have reps to protect and don't have enough courage to go against the norm. Especially not for a program that has been so terrible the past few years. I don't blame them. Also most people have brought into the idea that the key to doing well these days is through experience gained through the portal, that experience trumps young talent. But a team is going to come along eventually to disprove that in a major way. May not be Georgetown. Possibly Duke. Was your last point about getting new players minutes in November and December an explanation for Cooley's schedule? I don't think he has any choice but to play the new guys early on because there are only two returning guys anyway and the freshmen are going to be relied on to start at the five spot and fill the depth chart for key positions.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 16, 2024 11:19:03 GMT -5
Has this been touched upon here? First came across it on Casual Hoya. May seem like a bit of a stretch but it may be closer to reality than the prognosticators (and some on this board) who think so little of our players that they feel the Hoyas will finish at the bottom of the BE. There is real talent on this team. Cam it overcome the relative inexperience? Twitter posts like this are largely clickbait: Bart Torvik's statistical projection still has Georgetown under .500 and tied for ninth. Last year, Ed Cooley had six players with significant major college basketball experience: Epps, Styles, Massoud, Cook, Bristol, and Heath--and these six accounted for 79 percent of the scoring and 78 percent of the minutes. In 2024-25, he again has six: Epps, Fielder, Peavy, Mack, Burks and Curtis Williams. For all the potential elsewhere on the roster, they won't be significant contributors if these six are eating up minutes like this. In fact, if Epps is seeing anything close to 30 minutes a game in the non-conference, that's a red flag. Georgetown has talent. Every Big East team does, including an improving DePaul team. But I would be surprised if any local or national writers pick Georgetown above ninth, in no small part to lack of Big East-quality experience. And all that talent won't be of much help in January and February if Cooley doesn't get them off the bench in November and December. I think it is telling for the difference from last year. We don't have #13 talent; Georgetown's "talent" rating, which is based on recruiting rankings weighted by projected minutes, is helped by the fact that since there are so many unknowns and so few veterans, our projected minutes are probably dictated by recruiting rankings. But that said, the reality is that the overall talent is far higher this year than last year. Styles was well ranked at 63rd overall, and Brumbaugh was ranked 132nd by 247, but guys like Cook and Massoud simply were nowhere near the talent level of players coming in. Jay Heath was 217, Massoud 160, Supreme Cook unranked completely. Now, prospect ranking should probably be tossed out once someone hits college, but it's not a terrible proxy of athleticism and upside and some level of skill. And the freshman class is pretty stacked. And of course, his overall ranking is purely indicative of the fact that prior year effectiveness, returning % of points and minutes and age are very good predictors. But there's a massive difference between this year and last in terms of potential and promise. In 247's composite ranking... 45. Sorber 59. Halaifonua 66. Peavy (2020) 67. Mulready 125. Curtis Williams (2023) 161. McKenna* (2023) 176. Burks (2023) 193. Caleb Williams UNR. Mack UNR. Diouf * Was ranked much higher before the reclass
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 16, 2024 11:22:09 GMT -5
Fanta pushing the large "NIL pot" again. Likes the backcourt a lot.
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Post by sportsastroguy on Sept 16, 2024 11:40:48 GMT -5
Twitter posts like this are largely clickbait: Bart Torvik's statistical projection still has Georgetown under .500 and tied for ninth. Last year, Ed Cooley had six players with significant major college basketball experience: Epps, Styles, Massoud, Cook, Bristol, and Heath--and these six accounted for 79 percent of the scoring and 78 percent of the minutes. In 2024-25, he again has six: Epps, Fielder, Peavy, Mack, Burks and Curtis Williams. For all the potential elsewhere on the roster, they won't be significant contributors if these six are eating up minutes like this. In fact, if Epps is seeing anything close to 30 minutes a game in the non-conference, that's a red flag. Georgetown has talent. Every Big East team does, including an improving DePaul team. But I would be surprised if any local or national writers pick Georgetown above ninth, in no small part to lack of Big East-quality experience. And all that talent won't be of much help in January and February if Cooley doesn't get them off the bench in November and December. People won't pick Georgetown higher than the very bottom of the BE because they have reps to protect and don't have enough courage to go against the norm. Especially not for a program that has been so terrible the past few years. I don't blame them. Also most people have brought into the idea that the key to doing well these days is through experience gained through the portal, that experience trumps young talent. But a team is going to come along eventually to disprove that in a major way. May not be Georgetown. Possibly Duke. Was your last point about getting new players minutes in November and December an explanation for Cooley's schedule? I don't think he has any choice but to play the new guys early on because there are only two returning guys anyway and the freshmen are going to be relied on to start at the five spot and fill the depth chart for key positions. GU had little talent last year. They're better than 9th.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 16, 2024 12:32:15 GMT -5
Ratings are inherently deceptive. Comparing an AAU veteran from five different high schools versus a kid that played in the same high school for four years is subjective; conversely, when prospects rank schools, many are looking at just two criteria: "Will they get me into March?" and "Will they get me to the pros?"
Admittedly, I take a dimmer look at rankings as potential because they have have overstated so many Georgetown players in the past. Outside of Otto Porter and (maybe) Jessie Govan, the ratings were all over the board relative in advance of performance. Outside the top 20 that lock in NBA draft status, everyone else is a guess. For example, Josh Hart was only 94th in his class, Mikal Bridges 96th.
Since 2010, here are the rankings of Top 100 players who went to Georgetown per RSCI; apologies in advance if I missed someone when they list a Georgetown transfer at another school.
18. Josh Smith (2010) 21. Aminu Mohammed (2021) 28. Isaac Copeland (2014) 34. Otto Porter (2011) 37. D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera (2012) 37. Micah Peevy (2020) 42. Nate Lubick (2010) 42. Jessie Govan (2015) 51. Paul White (2014) 60. Dontrez Styles (2021) 62. L.J. Peak (2014) 62. Akok Akok (2019) 73. Omer Yurtseven (2016) 75. Reggie Cameron (2013) 77. Jayden Epps (2022) 78. Rowan Brumbaugh (2022) 80. Tyler Adams (2011) 88. Akoy Agau (2013) 88. Jamorko Pickett (2017) 89. James Akinjo (2018) 89. Brandon Murray (2021) 93. Marcus Derrickson (2015) 94. Markel Starks (2010) 98. Mikael Hopkins (2011)
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 16, 2024 14:04:55 GMT -5
Admittedly, I take a dimmer look at rankings as potential because they have have overstated so many Georgetown players in the past. Outside of Otto Porter and (maybe) Jessie Govan, the ratings were all over the board relative in advance of performance. I wouldn't say that. There's a high level of variation with rankings, for sure, and there are times when there's certain systematic issues with them. But in aggregate, they are a decent high level look, and specifically they are better if you understand that they are slanted heavily to potential and the high school / AAU game. I think there's also undue expectations on Top 100 recruits. Counting fifth years and the such, a Top 100 player should be in what, the Top 450 players in college basketball? But once you adjust for age and experience, maybe like Top 600 as a freshman and top 300 as a senior, if they make it (I'm just spitballing those). Someone like Otto Porter below way outperformed his ranking, actually. Guys like LJ Peak, Omer Yurtseven, Akinjo, Derrickson all performed to expectations or perhaps above (certainly in Derrickson's case). Epps is another that has two years ... but to be Top 300, not necessarily first team All BE. Yes, the odds are that this class has some underperformers in it. Perhaps even straight busts. And most players will take some time. That's why it is important to have volume. Furthermore, I'm comparing to a roster that was simply thinner in talent. And while the recruiting rankings tend to be biased to athleticism and an up and down, open game, I think that's also important when Cooley wants to play defense the way he plays. We need more athleticism and size, and if nothing else, the rankings lead more to that. Of course, it's not even close to 1:1 to performance. But there's more raw material.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 16, 2024 18:27:51 GMT -5
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