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Post by jackofjoy on Sept 9, 2024 10:53:52 GMT -5
Fwiw, there is quite a bit of chatter suggesting that the starting line up could very well be the following: Mack - pg Epps - sg Burks - sf Peavy - pf Sorber - center Would this surprise anyone? Wrt starting lineups of course there’s the old adage of “it’s not who starts but who finishes”. I wonder if NIL “helps” in this regard too … of course we have no idea how much each player is getting but assuming a guy like Fielder is getting “starter money” and is penciled in for starter minutes as a 6th man does it matter as much from an ego and other perspective if you don’t start? I know everyone “wants to start” but maybe NIL changes that a bit for say the top 7 rotation players.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 9, 2024 11:09:56 GMT -5
Fwiw, there is quite a bit of chatter suggesting that the starting line up could very well be the following: Mack - pg Epps - sg Burks - sf Peavy - pf Sorber - center Would this surprise anyone? WIth very little data and no 1st hand data, I would be mildly surprised and a bit disappointed. Peavy is one of the best perimeter defenders in college basketball. If we put him into a position where he may play less perimeter defense, I would be disappointed. One could argue with 4-out and 5-out offenses that he would still get plenty of perimeter defense opportunities but he will have conceded his height advantage when playing the 4. If you go back and watch the game, Peavy played defense on Epps and caused problems when we played TCU. When this lineup is quoted, I am not sure how much Burks at SF vs PF matters. This was actually the starting 5 I expected until we added JH. I thought more depth at C might let Fielder move to 4. Now he played very little of that last year, so maybe that was a pipe dream.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 9, 2024 11:45:44 GMT -5
Andrew from the Ticket Office in response to my question on cost of season tickets. It's the same as last year as others have mentioned:
The ticket cost will be $1,209/seat with no required donation. That is the same as the total ticket cost from last season. No additional Hoop Club contribution required, that would be optional. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Invoice instructions will be sent this week.
Thank you,
Andrew
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Post by CTHoya08 on Sept 9, 2024 11:57:25 GMT -5
Fwiw, there is quite a bit of chatter suggesting that the starting line up could very well be the following: Mack - pg Epps - sg Burks - sf Peavy - pf Sorber - center Would this surprise anyone? Wrt starting lineups of course there’s the old adage of “it’s not who starts but who finishes”. I wonder if NIL “helps” in this regard too … of course we have no idea how much each player is getting but assuming a guy like Fielder is getting “starter money” and is penciled in for starter minutes as a 6th man does it matter as much from an ego and other perspective if you don’t start? I know everyone “wants to start” but maybe NIL changes that a bit for say the top 7 rotation players. I think it would have the opposite effect. I think having someone getting "starter money" and not starting would be a blow to that guy's ego, and might have the guy starting in his place start grumbling about why he isn't being paid like a starter. And while a pro athlete late in his career might be happy to take a big paycheck to come off the bench (generational wealth is generational wealth), a college kid who is essentially auditioning for a pro career might not be content with a bench role because his NIL check looks more like a starter's.
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 9, 2024 12:09:32 GMT -5
Fwiw, there is quite a bit of chatter suggesting that the starting line up could very well be the following: Mack - pg Epps - sg Burks - sf Peavy - pf Sorber - center Would this surprise anyone? WIth very little data and no 1st hand data, I would be mildly surprised and a bit disappointed. Peavy is one of the best perimeter defenders in college basketball. If we put him into a position where he may play less perimeter defense, I would be disappointed. One could argue with 4-out and 5-out offenses that he would still get plenty of perimeter defense opportunities but he will have conceded his height advantage when playing the 4. If you go back and watch the game, Peavy played defense on Epps and caused problems when we played TCU. When this lineup is quoted, I am not sure how much Burks at SF vs PF matters. This was actually the starting 5 I expected until we added JH. I thought more depth at C might let Fielder move to 4. Now he played very little of that last year, so maybe that was a pipe dream. I assume that whatever Peavy's official position is, he will frequently be assigned to guard the opponent's top scoring threat.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 9, 2024 12:17:49 GMT -5
Fwiw, there is quite a bit of chatter suggesting that the starting line up could very well be the following: Mack - pg Epps - sg Burks - sf Peavy - pf Sorber - center Would this surprise anyone? I'm not surprised Burks looks slated to the starting lineup. I also don't think it is a particularly good sign. Last year, our defense wasn't actually that poor at the beginning. We weren't great, but we were limiting threes very well. But we were getting KILLED on the boards. And so, adjustments were made. Cook stopped contesting shots, namely. Our defensive rebounding improved but we became a sieve. I'm still not sure it was the right decision but it was between two awful choices. And when you can't defensive rebound against Holy Cross, the Big East is likely to be a disaster. Fast forward to this year. One of the things that's come out is the big concern is rebounding. Fielder's got the height, but his physical size is still an issue. Neither he nor Burks had great (or poor) rebounding numbers last year, but if you told me that Burks, with his long wingspan and more developed body, was a better rebounder and defender than Fielder at the 4 (or 3!) ... then yeah, I'd believe you. The downside is that means that Fielder isn't ready to defend or rebound at the 4 ... I suppose Burks could have made leaps and bounds but I think it is far more likely Fielder is still much more of an offensive player. If we aren't good enough on the boards or mobile enough to defend with Fielder at the 4 ... I think the overall potential goes down. His offense is something of a potential gamechanger for us in spreading the floor and in interior defense due to his height. If most of the minutes are Sorber, Fielder OR Halaifonua ... our offense will not hit its potential. The key will still likely be Mack, of course, but Fielder is our best returning 3 pt shooting in % at minimum. Defense should be the priority, no doubt. And maybe Fielder grows more into it as the season goes. Maybe I'm extrapolating too much, but I think it was a big question mark whether Fielder could play the 4 to begin with, so I wouldn't be shocked to be right.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Sept 9, 2024 12:31:54 GMT -5
Andrew from the Ticket Office in response to my question on cost of season tickets. It's the same as last year as others have mentioned: The ticket cost will be $1,209/seat with no required donation. That is the same as the total ticket cost from last season. No additional Hoop Club contribution required, that would be optional. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Invoice instructions will be sent this week. Thank you, Andrew We played 9 OOC home games last year, and look to play 7 (if McD games aren't included) this year. So it'd be 19 vs. 17 right? For your tix... that's around $71/game vs 63/game. So they'd really be jacking up the ticket cost over 10% after consecutive 2 BE win seasons. That... wouldn't be cool.
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Post by thedragon on Sept 9, 2024 12:38:59 GMT -5
I think SFHoya99 is on the mark. Cooley did his best to almost never play Fielder at the 4 last season. Especially once conference play began. Someone kindly pulled the stats a while back - I believe he played less that 30 minutes at the 4 the entire second half of season. There was hope with his tendinitis recovery he could gain some mobility and guard the perimeter better, but practice reports have not seemed to give much optimism there.
IF Cooley feels Fielder is limited to the 5 it really creates a log jam and likely hurts Julius' chance at minutes.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 9, 2024 12:43:52 GMT -5
I think SFHoya99 is on the mark. Cooley did his best to almost never play Fielder at the 4 last season. Especially once conference play began. Someone kindly pulled the stats a while back - I believe he played less that 30 minutes at the 4 the entire second half of season. There was hope with his tendinitis recovery he could gain some mobility and guard the perimeter better, but practice reports have not seemed to give much optimism there. IF Cooley feels Fielder is limited to the 5 it really creates a log jam and likely hurts Julius' chance at minutes. I also think that this may be somewhat of a defensive / rebounding bias to Cooley. I don't think the actual result when Fielder was at the four was nearly as bad as it looked at times. It's kind of like when LeBron would back down Curry; people would shout disaster but his actual conversion there was not actually all that good. I think there's places where you could minimize the actual impact and use Fielder's offense. Especially when the opposing four is simply not an offensive threat. But, that said, he could also be 100% right, and I'm not sure I blame any coach for focusing on defense after last year. Especially when Mack and Epps are going to bring a certain level of offense. Two scoring guards and then three defenders might not be a pretty way to play, but we're going for mediocre here, not winning a title in style. And, of course, there's the chance that Fielder still isn't completely healthy yet. He's young, too, it could also be that he needs to be coached up a bit more on playing a more perimeter oriented position given his lack of ability to play/practice as much last year. Or hell, it could be just message sending - the best defenders play.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 9, 2024 12:50:31 GMT -5
At a distance, this is not the fault of the ticket office but some sort of contractual dealing between the Athletic Department, maybe Monumental, and a third party marketing firm. The problem is that it's not grounded in the reality of supply and demand. The collateral damage is that an all-in price leads long time donors to cut the cord, and there will be insufficient demand to fill the seats. Pragmatically, one could drop season tickets, buy for six or seven Big East games on the open or secondary market and have enough let over for a nice dinner at Clyde's at each and every game. How that is going to help Georgetown, I'm not sure. Looking ahead to the $1B in renovations when Capital One Arena becomes the Etihad Center or some such largesse, it's going to get worse, and that's not counting the impact the Hoop Club will take from this. As a point of comparison, below is the ticket price grid published on Marquette's web site. Looks like a similar plan but they'll also sell over 14,000 season tickets when all is said and done. Demand >> Supply.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 9, 2024 13:00:00 GMT -5
Andrew from the Ticket Office in response to my question on cost of season tickets. It's the same as last year as others have mentioned: The ticket cost will be $1,209/seat with no required donation. That is the same as the total ticket cost from last season. No additional Hoop Club contribution required, that would be optional. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Invoice instructions will be sent this week. Thank you, Andrew We played 9 OOC home games last year, and look to play 7 (if McD games aren't included) this year. So it'd be 19 vs. 17 right? For your tix... that's around $71/game vs 63/game. So they'd really be jacking up the ticket cost over 10% after consecutive 2 BE win seasons. That... wouldn't be cool. It is what it is. A classmate of mine (so also 45+ year season ticket holder) isn't renewing, partly because he retired and relocated to the Delaware shore, as I did, but I still drive back for all games. Call me crazy. . .
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 9, 2024 13:35:14 GMT -5
I think SFHoya99 is on the mark. Cooley did his best to almost never play Fielder at the 4 last season. Especially once conference play began. Someone kindly pulled the stats a while back - I believe he played less that 30 minutes at the 4 the entire second half of season. There was hope with his tendinitis recovery he could gain some mobility and guard the perimeter better, but practice reports have not seemed to give much optimism there. IF Cooley feels Fielder is limited to the 5 it really creates a log jam and likely hurts Julius' chance at minutes. I also think that this may be somewhat of a defensive / rebounding bias to Cooley. I don't think the actual result when Fielder was at the four was nearly as bad as it looked at times. It's kind of like when LeBron would back down Curry; people would shout disaster but his actual conversion there was not actually all that good. I think there's places where you could minimize the actual impact and use Fielder's offense. Especially when the opposing four is simply not an offensive threat. But, that said, he could also be 100% right, and I'm not sure I blame any coach for focusing on defense after last year. Especially when Mack and Epps are going to bring a certain level of offense. Two scoring guards and then three defenders might not be a pretty way to play, but we're going for mediocre here, not winning a title in style. And, of course, there's the chance that Fielder still isn't completely healthy yet. He's young, too, it could also be that he needs to be coached up a bit more on playing a more perimeter oriented position given his lack of ability to play/practice as much last year. Or hell, it could be just message sending - the best defenders play. Considering this is basically a new team, I think the best players should play as opposed to gearing it towards the best defensive team you can play. Burks, Sorber & Peavy is a rough front-court offensively especially floor stretching-wise. Hard for me to buy the staff brought in 2 centers late, if they felt Fielder was exclusively a center.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 9, 2024 13:51:19 GMT -5
Fwiw, there is quite a bit of chatter suggesting that the starting line up could very well be the following: Mack - pg Epps - sg Burks - sf Peavy - pf Sorber - center Would this surprise anyone? Are you sure that Peavy and Burks are not reversed? That would surprise me...I would be shocked if Burks has the handle to play the 3... Very well could be reversed....i inserted the positions, but those are the 5 I have heard as of late.
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Post by 401to202hoya on Sept 9, 2024 13:56:03 GMT -5
I think SFHoya99 is on the mark. Cooley did his best to almost never play Fielder at the 4 last season. Especially once conference play began. Someone kindly pulled the stats a while back - I believe he played less that 30 minutes at the 4 the entire second half of season. There was hope with his tendinitis recovery he could gain some mobility and guard the perimeter better, but practice reports have not seemed to give much optimism there. IF Cooley feels Fielder is limited to the 5 it really creates a log jam and likely hurts Julius' chance at minutes. I also think that this may be somewhat of a defensive / rebounding bias to Cooley. I don't think the actual result when Fielder was at the four was nearly as bad as it looked at times. It's kind of like when LeBron would back down Curry; people would shout disaster but his actual conversion there was not actually all that good. I think there's places where you could minimize the actual impact and use Fielder's offense. Especially when the opposing four is simply not an offensive threat. But, that said, he could also be 100% right, and I'm not sure I blame any coach for focusing on defense after last year. Especially when Mack and Epps are going to bring a certain level of offense. Two scoring guards and then three defenders might not be a pretty way to play, but we're going for mediocre here, not winning a title in style. And, of course, there's the chance that Fielder still isn't completely healthy yet. He's young, too, it could also be that he needs to be coached up a bit more on playing a more perimeter oriented position given his lack of ability to play/practice as much last year. Or hell, it could be just message sending - the best defenders play. Could also be the case that Burks has exceeded expectations and has simply outplayed Fielder thus far.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 9, 2024 13:58:21 GMT -5
Considering this is basically a new team, I think the best players should play as opposed to gearing it towards the best defensive team you can play. Agree, but defense is as important as offense. And if the best set up is to rely on our short guards for offense and then have a strong defensive frontcourt to cover for them ... that may be the best team. Especially with Sorber being a freshman, having Burks' strength out there might be necessary in the BE. And there's also the cultural factor. I would not be opposed to a requirement of a certain level of defensive effort and ability for every player to set the tone of what is required to start and play. Yes, it is. And it may be that they hoped Fielder would progress and hasn't. Or that they think he will be hasn't yet. Or are hedging their bets. Or maybe Burks is just killing it. We may also get Fielder at the 4 but not starting and only in those situations where he won't get abused.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 9, 2024 14:00:33 GMT -5
Could also be the case that Burks has exceeded expectations and has simply outplayed Fielder thus far. Sure. But if I'm a betting man, I think it's far more likely that Fielder is struggling to defend on the perimeter than that Burks has made an offensive leap. Obviously, either there's an injury or Burks has outperformed Fielder to date if this is true ... but it's more a question of how and how much. But yeah, it could also be that Burks is killing it. Hope so.
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Post by calhoya on Sept 9, 2024 14:51:53 GMT -5
I wanted Fielder to stay more than any other player off last year's team. That said it is undeniable that he struggled to defend the 4 and seemed more comfortable in the 5 on defense. He lacked the quickness needed to guard quicker 4s in space and it would not shock if that is still the case. There will be plenty of opportunity for this kid and his offense should bring him many minutes, but after the disaster of last season on defense it would not be surprising to see Cooley want to establish decent defense down low before adding another offensive threat. It will be interesting to see what defense Cooley plays this year. Last year he switched often between man and some version of zone. Have no idea if that was the plan or just desperation trying to find something that works.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 9, 2024 15:01:51 GMT -5
Based on blueandgray's recent post, my feeling is that it is likely Peavy as the 3 and Burks as the 4. That said, depending on how the team plays, it may not matter all that much. For example, if we are switching all on defense, then arguably they are somewhat interchangeable (of course, I am over simplifying for purposes of discussion, so no need to tell me that). I would be really surprised if Peavy isn't playing 30 minutes a game given his defense (and our team's strong need for quality defense to turn things around). If I had to guess, Peavy will be getting those minutes mostly at the 3, but also some 2 and 4. That is fairly common these days and Cooley showed a willingness last year at times to play smaller lineups. On Fielder, given the lack of information we have, I would not be concerned yet. For example, last year a lot of us thought Cooley was crazy at times for playing Massoud over Fielder, yet it came out that Fielder at times had nagging knee injuries. (That may not explain all the times Cooley favored Massoud over Fielder, but I think it explains some.) For all we know, Fielder may be unable to play more than 20 minutes a game, and he might not be a likely starter for that reason. I guess I will get on the EtomicB train, and say that it would be nice to hear something from Ed Cooley himself soon, especially given the start of the academic year. Lastly, as any HoyaTalk long-time member knows, a lot of the reports we hear early on tend to be false. I distinctly remember a summer where there were behind the scenes reports that Timothy Ighoefe was killing it, a beast, etc., and when the season started he was basically the same Ighoefe we had always seen.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 9, 2024 15:03:35 GMT -5
I suppose one can reasonably make that argument. But there are people on Twitter and on Hoya Report (despite its flaws) who do have inside information regarding what Cooley is thinking and how the summer workouts are going. The question you have to ask yourself is why isn't there anyone who is still on Hoya Talk with that type of access? For one reason or another this site has lost almost all of the people with such access.The shrinking of the fan base has not helped. I’m on HR, Ron’s summer practice reports were good but they were from his perspective not Cooley’s or staff members.. Insiders posting how the staff “loves” player X shouldn’t be ignored but it doesn’t replace hearing it directly from staff members Here’s an example of what Sean Miller does at Xavier. Do I expect this type of performance from Cooley? Nope, but a presser every 5 to 6 weeks during the offseason isn’t a high bar to clear especially for a program with a low excitement level within its fan base I fully agree. Frankly, given how much Cooley was out there at Providence, I am quite surprised at how quiet things have been. It makes you think it's more of a Georgetown institutional thing than the coach. EtomicB, I know last summer I argued in favor of giving Cooley and the program leeway on this because in my mind they were already doing a lot more than the previous coaching staff (more than they have done this summer), and they were having to get settled. But, we are now over a year in, the academic year has started, and still silence. I realize it is "early" in the sense that there is no basketball for 2 months, but it would be nice to start building some chatter and discussion (even if it is garden variety stuff that's unlikely to be that interesting).
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 9, 2024 16:12:44 GMT -5
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