MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 16, 2024 12:43:25 GMT -5
I am making it clear that no resource (other than Ewing apparently) was hyping Rice anywhere near that extent. So if there were a bunch of predictions on this board for Rice to come in and be an All-American type then it would appear people were fooled by Ewing’s overestimation. But I do not recall such hype. Maybe I forgot. Who cares?? The people having the discussion. What other obvious answer do you need spelling out for you? I have some time.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 16, 2024 13:32:34 GMT -5
Back to 24-25 season - can't wait to see how the potential develops. Definitely some excitement for the season.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 16, 2024 13:50:28 GMT -5
Ewing must have thought that he signed Glen Rice. For what it's worth, outside of Ewing's very bad take on Kaiden Rice, there was some other hype too, though I am not entirely sure why, as his three point percentage at The Citadel was not great. I realize this thread is very much off topic now, and I am contributing to that, so moderators feel free to move this if warranted. But this is the last I'll say on this part. I am optimistic about our 2024-2025 players, and I think we have more (but somewhat raw) talent than we have had in a while. I am looking forward to seeing all of our new players. Who’s Deleted? 😁
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 16, 2024 13:51:10 GMT -5
For what it's worth, outside of Ewing's very bad take on Kaiden Rice, there was some other hype too, though I am not entirely sure why, as his three point percentage at The Citadel was not great. I realize this thread is very much off topic now, and I am contributing to that, so moderators feel free to move this if warranted. But this is the last I'll say on this part. I am optimistic about our 2024-2025 players, and I think we have more (but somewhat raw) talent than we have had in a while. I am looking forward to seeing all of our new players. Who’s Deleted? 😁 I'm pretty sure that was YaBoyNYP
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Post by thedragon on Aug 16, 2024 16:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Aug 16, 2024 17:05:29 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that was YaBoyNYP YaBoyNYP moved to Twitter where he posts regularly. He opted to delete his post count.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 16, 2024 18:22:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that was YaBoyNYP YaBoyNYP moved to Twitter where he posts regularly. He opted to delete his post count. Yes, I didn't mean to imply that Admin had deleted him but I remember that he instead chose to leave HoyaTalk himself.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 16, 2024 19:52:22 GMT -5
YaBoyNYP moved to Twitter where he posts regularly. He opted to delete his post count. Yes, I didn't mean to imply that Admin had deleted him but I remember that he instead chose to leave HoyaTalk himself. That was a big, big loss.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 16, 2024 19:53:58 GMT -5
You said it, miss his contributions.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 17, 2024 0:46:19 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that was YaBoyNYP Can’t spell YaBoyNYP without boya…
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 18, 2024 9:20:42 GMT -5
Think Mack may already be my favorite player and he has yet to step foot on the court. My guess is that with his personality…he will be a great leader.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 18, 2024 9:43:56 GMT -5
Think Mack may already be my favorite player and he has yet to step foot on the court. My guess is that with his personality…he will be a great leader. He could have a massive impact on the ceiling of this team. We haven’t had too many PGs recently that made the sum of the parts greater. Terrell Allen was the last one in my opinion and he was a bit of a revelation after Plan A failed. I will be curious to see how he balances his scoring with being the offensive leader. Assuming a starting 5 of Mack, Epps, Peavy, Fielder, Sorber, there is some scoring ability on that team, and he should have a lot to work with to help him out. If he can cause the defense to react to him, that should leave someone open. If they can share the ball, someone should get a great wide open shot. The other player who could have a big, big impact on the ceiling of this team is Peavy. I am hoping that he is not just a great perimeter defender, but as a senior that his defensive leadership rubs off. Hopefully, we will see great defensive effort from everyone instead of just him. I really have my fingers crossed that he sets the tone and that the others willingly follow and make it their identify. (I’ll refrain from making this an exercise of listing every player). I hope your good vibes about Mack are foreshadowing of the upside case of his performance.
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Post by hsaxon on Aug 18, 2024 11:09:28 GMT -5
The people having the discussion. What other obvious answer do you need spelling out for you? I have some time. The degree to which Rice may have been hyped or not is extremely silly, to say the least. It is August 2024.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 18, 2024 12:19:42 GMT -5
Think Mack may already be my favorite player and he has yet to step foot on the court. My guess is that with his personality…he will be a great leader. He could have a massive impact on the ceiling of this team. We haven’t had too many PGs recently that made the sum of the parts greater. Terrell Allen was the last one in my opinion and he was a bit of a revelation after Plan A failed. I will be curious to see how he balances his scoring with being the offensive leader. Assuming a starting 5 of Mack, Epps, Peavy, Fielder, Sorber, there is some scoring ability on that team, and he should have a lot to work with to help him out. If he can cause the defense to react to him, that should leave someone open. If they can share the ball, someone should get a great wide open shot. The other player who could have a big, big impact on the ceiling of this team is Peavy. I am hoping that he is not just a great perimeter defender, but as a senior that his defensive leadership rubs off. Hopefully, we will see great defensive effort from everyone instead of just him. I really have my fingers crossed that he sets the tone and that the others willingly follow and make it their identify. (I’ll refrain from making this an exercise of listing every player). I hope your good vibes about Mack are foreshadowing of the upside case of his performance. Agree with every word of this post.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 18, 2024 13:05:33 GMT -5
Think Mack may already be my favorite player and he has yet to step foot on the court. My guess is that with his personality…he will be a great leader. He could have a massive impact on the ceiling of this team. We haven’t had too many PGs recently that made the sum of the parts greater. Terrell Allen was the last one in my opinion and he was a bit of a revelation after Plan A failed. I will be curious to see how he balances his scoring with being the offensive leader. Assuming a starting 5 of Mack, Epps, Peavy, Fielder, Sorber, there is some scoring ability on that team, and he should have a lot to work with to help him out. If he can cause the defense to react to him, that should leave someone open. If they can share the ball, someone should get a great wide open shot. The other player who could have a big, big impact on the ceiling of this team is Peavy. I am hoping that he is not just a great perimeter defender, but as a senior that his defensive leadership rubs off. Hopefully, we will see great defensive effort from everyone instead of just him. I really have my fingers crossed that he sets the tone and that the others willingly follow and make it their identify. (I’ll refrain from making this an exercise of listing every player). I hope your good vibes about Mack are foreshadowing of the upside case of his performance. I don't disagree with your points on point guard, but Mack and Peavy are also very key in their three point shooting. We lost a lot of three point shooting. Mack and Peavy are going to get big minutes. Mack shot pretty well last year, but Peavy was at 31% in not a ton of attempts. He did shoot 37% in conference (only 38 attempts), but he's never been much of an outside shooter. But we're going to need it. Epps may improve, and Fielder will add some, and perhaps Curtis Williams regains his stroke. But we otherwise have a lot of freshmen, who often struggle with shooting, and none of them really have a rep as a plus shooter from 3. It's a necessary part of nearly every college offense, and the only teams that get away with it tend to be very, very good at everything else. We have about 400-500 3PT attempts gone from the team from last year at about a 35% clip. Mack's going to get somewhere near 200 and Peavy likely 100 even if he doesn't add more to his game. Epps really can't add more volume and while Fielder can grab some, the reality is that even with some reduction, we're looking at 100 to 150 more threes for everyone else. Mack and Peavy have got to shoot well, because I doubt we see great numbers from that last 100 or so.
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Post by bills on Aug 18, 2024 15:53:16 GMT -5
We got virtually no points off PNR or our center getting a pass and making a strong offensive move. Thomas and Julius are going to give us substantial improvements in these high percentage shots. Are we really going to miss the 3 pt shots that Massoud took, given his defensive and rebounding limitations? The primary source of our points was Epps and Styles shooting 3s and Epps driving to the basket and putting up a floater. With this roster I see a lot more ball movement creating open shots underneath and from 3. If we get some defensive rebounds from Thomas, Julius, and Drew, maybe we will have some very high percentage fast break baskets.
With Mack, Epps, and Fielder on the floor we have three high percentage 3 pt shooters. No one is going to pack in the defense and dare us to shoot 3s.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 18, 2024 16:17:39 GMT -5
We got virtually no points off PNR or our center getting a pass and making a strong offensive move. Thomas and Julius are going to give us substantial improvements in these high percentage shots. Are we really going to miss the 3 pt shots that Massoud took, given his defensive and rebounding limitations? The primary source of our points was Epps and Styles shooting 3s and Epps driving to the basket and putting up a floater. With this roster I see a lot more ball movement creating open shots underneath and from 3. If we get some defensive rebounds from Thomas, Julius, and Drew, maybe we will have some very high percentage fast break baskets. With Mack, Epps, and Fielder on the floor we have three high percentage 3 pt shooters. No one is going to pack in the defense and dare us to shoot 3s. Epps is not a high-percentage 3 pt shooter: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/5105791/jayden-eppsMack was until the mono/sickness. Fielder was phenomenal in a small dose: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/5082704/drew-fielderWe need Fileder to shoot more, Mack to get comfortable and confident in the BE, and Epps to shoot less, which hopefully will improve his %.
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Post by vv83 on Aug 18, 2024 16:25:50 GMT -5
We need Epps to shoot a lot fewer tough 3s off the dribble. He took a ton of these last year - and missed a ton of them. i don't have the stats, but my sense was that he was a lot better on open catch/shoot 3s than on the contested off the dribble 3s. Our offense could not generate many open shots off ball movement, or much of anything inside. so all we were left with much of the time was Epps trying to force some kind of offense, resulting in the low efficiency numbers for both epps and the offense in general.
With Epps playing mostly off the ball this season - hopefully we'll see Mack initiating good ball movement that will result in Epps catching the ball while open at the 3 point line, and then either firing an open 3, or attacking the basket if a defender closes out hard on him. And with better players/ball movement - hopefully we will have far fewer possessions where our only option is for Epps/Mack to try to create off the dribble with 5 seconds left on the shot clock.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 18, 2024 17:08:32 GMT -5
He could have a massive impact on the ceiling of this team. We haven’t had too many PGs recently that made the sum of the parts greater. Terrell Allen was the last one in my opinion and he was a bit of a revelation after Plan A failed. I will be curious to see how he balances his scoring with being the offensive leader. Assuming a starting 5 of Mack, Epps, Peavy, Fielder, Sorber, there is some scoring ability on that team, and he should have a lot to work with to help him out. If he can cause the defense to react to him, that should leave someone open. If they can share the ball, someone should get a great wide open shot. The other player who could have a big, big impact on the ceiling of this team is Peavy. I am hoping that he is not just a great perimeter defender, but as a senior that his defensive leadership rubs off. Hopefully, we will see great defensive effort from everyone instead of just him. I really have my fingers crossed that he sets the tone and that the others willingly follow and make it their identify. (I’ll refrain from making this an exercise of listing every player). I hope your good vibes about Mack are foreshadowing of the upside case of his performance. I don't disagree with your points on point guard, but Mack and Peavy are also very key in their three point shooting. We lost a lot of three point shooting. Mack and Peavy are going to get big minutes. Mack shot pretty well last year, but Peavy was at 31% in not a ton of attempts. He did shoot 37% in conference (only 38 attempts), but he's never been much of an outside shooter. But we're going to need it. Epps may improve, and Fielder will add some, and perhaps Curtis Williams regains his stroke. But we otherwise have a lot of freshmen, who often struggle with shooting, and none of them really have a rep as a plus shooter from 3. It's a necessary part of nearly every college offense, and the only teams that get away with it tend to be very, very good at everything else. We have about 400-500 3PT attempts gone from the team from last year at about a 35% clip. Mack's going to get somewhere near 200 and Peavy likely 100 even if he doesn't add more to his game. Epps really can't add more volume and while Fielder can grab some, the reality is that even with some reduction, we're looking at 100 to 150 more threes for everyone else. Mack and Peavy have got to shoot well, because I doubt we see great numbers from that last 100 or so. Agree. Someone is going to need to step up and contribute 3 pointers, and Mack and Peavy will be great candidates to do so.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 18, 2024 17:19:05 GMT -5
Are we really going to miss the 3 pt shots that Massoud took, given his defensive and rebounding limitations? Massoud shot 31%, so no, we won't miss him. Unfortunately, Styles and Heath shot 37%. So we are absolutely going to miss those points. Their three point shooting was the most efficient part of our offense last year. And both for us and for college basketball in general, worse teams beat better teams because of three point shooting. That and offensive rebounding were the only decent things the team did last year. You are right that we're going to have a much more varied offense this year in terms of how we score. But the other problem with not having three point shooters is that the spacing collapses. It makes the low post game harder. It makes dribble drives easier to help. Defending the pick and roll becomes much easier because you don't have to follow the shooter as tightly and can crowd the lane. Who is Sorber going to pass to out of the post? Mack was a passable three point shooter overall last year. Fielder had high percentages but in such low attempts that there's some risk there. Epps had a low percentage that we are hoping will increase with time and better shot selection (though he seemed more a streaky type than driven by spot up v off the dribble to my memory). But that's three guys in a likely 9 nine man or so rotation. One of Epps and Mack will likely be on the floor, but if Epps doesn't improve, for example, suddenly, it's very difficult to create space. We need some guys to step up in this space.
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