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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2024 8:38:18 GMT -5
Not even close to the current group, not to mention lacking the height/length as well. Who was hyping Rice at the time by the way? There wasn’t the automatic trust in the veteran transfer that short time ago as there is now. And a few of us tried warning people about the Mutombo hype. Ewing compared him to Reggie Miller Wow. Really? Good Lord. Anyway no recruiting service or college basketball site felt that way about Rice.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 15, 2024 8:38:42 GMT -5
Aminu was on par with the top end of our recruits this year, but the rest were not. Jordan Riley- 3 star- ~140th ranked prospect Ryan Mutumo- 3 star ~120th ranked Tyler Beard- 3 star ~175th ranked Tre King- didn't play OTOH- ignoring Sorber as crossing out Aminu: Mulready- 4 star ~top 100 Hala- 4 star ~ top 100 Williams/Mckenna- roughly ranked where Beard was Whoa. McKenna was a Top 75 player by various recruiting sites before he made the jump that led him to skip his senior year in high school. He was a four star recruit. I would love it if Hoya fans actually tried acquainting themselves with him a bit. It’s one thing to not have personal high expectations of him but it’s quite another to lower his actual rankings. McKenna was Cooley’s first high school recruit after getting the job at Georgetown and highly regarded. When I wrote that this current front court will have three players ranked in the top 70 when in high school, I meant Thomas, Julius and Drew McKenna. I am certain someone will run off and try to find a site that did not have McKenna that high. Whatever. Just like with Mulready things fluctuated, but with McKenna it was harder to pin down because of his attempts to skip ahead and the following delay that prevented him from arriving in the Fall of 2023. I am glad you are leading the McKenna hype train and that you have first hand experience watching him play. I hope he is an impact player. The unfortunate fact of the matter that students who skip their senior season (and especially redshirt) are going to be under-exposed. So he is likely to over-perform the general fan's expectation. This will apply to Fort too. I hope he has an amazing season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2024 8:50:13 GMT -5
Whoa. McKenna was a Top 75 player by various recruiting sites before he made the jump that led him to skip his senior year in high school. He was a four star recruit. I would love it if Hoya fans actually tried acquainting themselves with him a bit. It’s one thing to not have personal high expectations of him but it’s quite another to lower his actual rankings. McKenna was Cooley’s first high school recruit after getting the job at Georgetown and highly regarded. When I wrote that this current front court will have three players ranked in the top 70 when in high school, I meant Thomas, Julius and Drew McKenna. I am certain someone will run off and try to find a site that did not have McKenna that high. Whatever. Just like with Mulready things fluctuated, but with McKenna it was harder to pin down because of his attempts to skip ahead and the following delay that prevented him from arriving in the Fall of 2023. I was just using the same site for all of them for consistency. It’s all a mess. McKenna was top 75 and a four star of the 2024 class for 247 when he committed to Georgetown AFTER his junior season ended. When he decided to skip his senior high school season (and played no spring or AAU ball as a result) he was moved down in ranking for the 2023 class. That made sense for the most part because the 2023 guys had a maturity advantage over him. This happens for the majority of players who skip their final high school season and get to college a year earlier. When they are reevaluated they tend to take a hit in their rankings because they are year younger in the new class they find themselves in (not everyone can be Cooper Flagg). In retrospect McKenna should have still been rated as a 2024 recruit prospect considering he didn’t play for Georgetown this past season, but I realize it does not work like that.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Aug 15, 2024 9:00:36 GMT -5
I have said it, I think McKenna will/could be our biggest surprise.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 15, 2024 9:13:03 GMT -5
Ewing compared him to Reggie Miller Wow. Really? Good Lord. Anyway no recruiting service or college basketball site felt that way about Rice. DFW wasn't referring to recruiting services or pundits in the post you responded to, he was referencing the posts on the site.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2024 11:57:25 GMT -5
Wow. Really? Good Lord. Anyway no recruiting service or college basketball site felt that way about Rice. DFW wasn't referring to recruiting services or pundits in the post you responded to, he was referencing the posts on the site. I am making it clear that no resource (other than Ewing apparently) was hyping Rice anywhere near that extent. So if there were a bunch of predictions on this board for Rice to come in and be an All-American type then it would appear people were fooled by Ewing’s overestimation. But I do not recall such hype. Maybe I forgot.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 15, 2024 12:10:17 GMT -5
DFW wasn't referring to recruiting services or pundits in the post you responded to, he was referencing the posts on the site. I am making it clear that no resource (other than Ewing apparently) was hyping Rice anywhere near that extent. So if there were a bunch of predictions on this board for Rice to come in and be an All-American type then it would appear people were fooled by Ewing’s overestimation. But I do not recall such hype. Maybe I forgot. Have we ever had a recruit, under any coach, whose potential was not raised to All-American/Lottery Pick status by this board?
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Post by kghoya on Aug 15, 2024 12:15:33 GMT -5
I am making it clear that no resource (other than Ewing apparently) was hyping Rice anywhere near that extent. So if there were a bunch of predictions on this board for Rice to come in and be an All-American type then it would appear people were fooled by Ewing’s overestimation. But I do not recall such hype. Maybe I forgot. Have we ever had a recruit, under any coach, whose potential was not raised to All-American/Lottery Pick status by this board? I think Berger has a shot at being the next Wallace.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 15, 2024 12:54:30 GMT -5
Have we ever had a recruit, under any coach, whose potential was not raised to All-American/Lottery Pick status by this board? I think Berger has a shot at being the next Wallace. I was a big Berger fan, those 4 minutes against St. John's @ home were very good.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2024 14:02:02 GMT -5
I am making it clear that no resource (other than Ewing apparently) was hyping Rice anywhere near that extent. So if there were a bunch of predictions on this board for Rice to come in and be an All-American type then it would appear people were fooled by Ewing’s overestimation. But I do not recall such hype. Maybe I forgot. Have we ever had a recruit, under any coach, whose potential was not raised to All-American/Lottery Pick status by this board? The vast majority of our recruits are not talked about in that way by the board in general. We are not Kentucky. Hell, you could put Malik Mack on Duke and undoubtedly manynBlue Devils fans would compare him to Kyrie. We are far more restrained and for good reason.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2024 14:04:04 GMT -5
I think Berger has a shot at being the next Wallace. I was a big Berger fan, those 4 minutes against St. John's @ home was very good. Those 4 minutes made me go seek out his high school clips to ascertain if we had the next Curry! 😀
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Aug 15, 2024 14:07:34 GMT -5
Amazingly, TJ Berger has 2 full seasons of eligibility left.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 15, 2024 14:42:45 GMT -5
Have we ever had a recruit, under any coach, whose potential was not raised to All-American/Lottery Pick status by this board? The vast majority of our recruits are not talked about in that way by the board in general. We are not Kentucky. Hell, you could put Malik Mack on Duke and undoubtedly manynBlue Devils fans would compare him to Kyrie. We are far more restrained and for good reason. Hyperbole my friend. Most recruits are overestimated by any number of posters. I was going for hyperbole.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 15, 2024 15:41:49 GMT -5
Have we ever had a recruit, under any coach, whose potential was not raised to All-American/Lottery Pick status by this board? I think Berger has a shot at being the next Wallace. My favorite was the poster (I do not recall who), who said that Tre Campbell would be a lotto pick. To be fair, after his freshman year which wasn't bad for a freshman, I liked Campbell, but he never panned out. But that's very far from calling him a lotto pick! Not even close to the current group, not to mention lacking the height/length as well. Who was hyping Rice at the time by the way? There wasn’t the automatic trust in the veteran transfer that short time ago as there is now. And a few of us tried warning people about the Mutombo hype. On Kaiden Rice, I also remember Ewing comparing Rice to some names of all-time great shooters. That was silly on Ewing's part, but we also know Ewing was never a great talent evaluator. For those interested in the actual quote to confirm it really happened, it was in the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/11/19/georgetown-siena-graduate-transfers/“He’s an elite shooter,” Ewing said. “I’ve had the opportunity to play against guys that were elite shooters: Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller. He’s up with those guys." I was thinking perhaps in retrospect I got it wrong, because who would compare Rice to Miller and those types of guys...but nope. Ewing said it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 15, 2024 15:48:57 GMT -5
The vast majority of our recruits are not talked about in that way by the board in general. We are not Kentucky. Hell, you could put Malik Mack on Duke and undoubtedly manynBlue Devils fans would compare him to Kyrie. We are far more restrained and for good reason. Hyperbole my friend. Most recruits are overestimated by any number of posters. I was going for hyperbole. Yep. This was no better illustrated than during the Ewing years when year after year, we had posters who managed to convince themselves that THIS year we finally had talent and depth and could make a run. Yet it didn't happen. To be fair, we had some talented guys during the Ewing years, but they were still overhyped by some fans. I see nothing wrong with that. That's what fans do. It wouldn't be a proper sports message board/forum if there weren't some people overhyping our guys. That's part of what makes college basketball such a great sport. There's always a chance that some talent will develop and be better than expected. There's almost always reason for at least some hope going into a season. I try to temper my optimism because frankly there have been many years where I was optimistic (even if I didn't explictly say so here) only for it not come to fruition. I feel like this season could be different, but the last 3 years have me in the "cautiously optimistic" phase.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 15, 2024 16:47:51 GMT -5
Hyperbole my friend. Most recruits are overestimated by any number of posters. I was going for hyperbole. Yep. This was no better illustrated than during the Ewing years when year after year, we had posters who managed to convince themselves that THIS year we finally had talent and depth and could make a run. Yet it didn't happen. To be fair, we had some talented guys during the Ewing years, but they were still overhyped by some fans. I see nothing wrong with that. That's what fans do. It wouldn't be a proper sports message board/forum if there weren't some people overhyping our guys. That's part of what makes college basketball such a great sport. There's always a chance that some talent will develop and be better than expected. There's almost always reason for at least some hope going into a season. I try to temper my optimism because frankly there have been many years where I was optimistic (even if I didn't explictly say so here) only for it not come to fruition. I feel like this season could be different, but the last 3 years have me in the "cautiously optimistic" phase. As one of the fans who bought in to the over-hype more than once in the past decade, I agree with all of this. I know this upcoming season is likely going to be a rollercoaster ride at best. Still I guess I would rather be unrealistically optimistic in August than to have blown off the season 3 months before it starts. Of course, if this turns out to be another catastrophe of a season, I expect I will be among the chorus of those who are questioning the hire. It is the nature of fans.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 15, 2024 17:37:00 GMT -5
Hyperbole my friend. Most recruits are overestimated by any number of posters. I was going for hyperbole. Yep. This was no better illustrated than during the Ewing years when year after year, we had posters who managed to convince themselves that THIS year we finally had talent and depth and could make a run. Yet it didn't happen. To be fair, we had some talented guys during the Ewing years, but they were still overhyped by some fans. I see nothing wrong with that. That's what fans do. It wouldn't be a proper sports message board/forum if there weren't some people overhyping our guys. That's part of what makes college basketball such a great sport. There's always a chance that some talent will develop and be better than expected. There's almost always reason for at least some hope going into a season. I try to temper my optimism because frankly there have been many years where I was optimistic (even if I didn't explictly say so here) only for it not come to fruition. I feel like this season could be different, but the last 3 years have me in the "cautiously optimistic" phase. I think the fans that were optimistic prior to 2019-2020 before the early December implosion had reasonable reason to be. That team was tournament quality...before all hell broke loose.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 15, 2024 19:52:09 GMT -5
I think Berger has a shot at being the next Wallace. My favorite was the poster (I do not recall who), who said that Tre Campbell would be a lotto pick. To be fair, after his freshman year which wasn't bad for a freshman, I liked Campbell, but he never panned out. But that's very far from calling him a lotto pick! Not even close to the current group, not to mention lacking the height/length as well. Who was hyping Rice at the time by the way? There wasn’t the automatic trust in the veteran transfer that short time ago as there is now. And a few of us tried warning people about the Mutombo hype. On Kaiden Rice, I also remember Ewing comparing Rice to some names of all-time great shooters. That was silly on Ewing's part, but we also know Ewing was never a great talent evaluator. For those interested in the actual quote to confirm it really happened, it was in the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/11/19/georgetown-siena-graduate-transfers/“He’s an elite shooter,” Ewing said. “I’ve had the opportunity to play against guys that were elite shooters: Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller. He’s up with those guys." I was thinking perhaps in retrospect I got it wrong, because who would compare Rice to Miller and those types of guys...but nope. Ewing said it. Ewing must have thought that he signed Glen Rice.
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Post by hsaxon on Aug 15, 2024 21:03:53 GMT -5
DFW wasn't referring to recruiting services or pundits in the post you responded to, he was referencing the posts on the site. I am making it clear that no resource (other than Ewing apparently) was hyping Rice anywhere near that extent. So if there were a bunch of predictions on this board for Rice to come in and be an All-American type then it would appear people were fooled by Ewing’s overestimation. But I do not recall such hype. Maybe I forgot. Who cares??
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 16, 2024 11:07:53 GMT -5
My favorite was the poster (I do not recall who), who said that Tre Campbell would be a lotto pick. To be fair, after his freshman year which wasn't bad for a freshman, I liked Campbell, but he never panned out. But that's very far from calling him a lotto pick! On Kaiden Rice, I also remember Ewing comparing Rice to some names of all-time great shooters. That was silly on Ewing's part, but we also know Ewing was never a great talent evaluator. For those interested in the actual quote to confirm it really happened, it was in the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/11/19/georgetown-siena-graduate-transfers/“He’s an elite shooter,” Ewing said. “I’ve had the opportunity to play against guys that were elite shooters: Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller. He’s up with those guys." I was thinking perhaps in retrospect I got it wrong, because who would compare Rice to Miller and those types of guys...but nope. Ewing said it. Ewing must have thought that he signed Glen Rice. For what it's worth, outside of Ewing's very bad take on Kaiden Rice, there was some other hype too, though I am not entirely sure why, as his three point percentage at The Citadel was not great. I realize this thread is very much off topic now, and I am contributing to that, so moderators feel free to move this if warranted. But this is the last I'll say on this part. I am optimistic about our 2024-2025 players, and I think we have more (but somewhat raw) talent than we have had in a while. I am looking forward to seeing all of our new players.
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