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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 11, 2024 3:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 11, 2024 22:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Aug 11, 2024 23:23:56 GMT -5
This ends any problem with taking Fort. This was a no brainer. You now have a line to Team Durant
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Post by dense on Aug 12, 2024 2:04:30 GMT -5
This ends any problem with taking Fort. This was a no brainer. You now have a line to Team Durant Also reading some recent Cam Ward quotes, Cooley playing the long game even though we are out of the top 10. Many people have questioned him. I think he doing so many things right currently to set us up for a big 2025-2026 run for 2 to 3 years especially in terms of getting the good DMV players to consider us again.
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Post by sportsastroguy on Aug 12, 2024 14:18:06 GMT -5
This ends any problem with taking Fort. This was a no brainer. You now have a line to Team Durant didn't he leave Durant?
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Post by sportsastroguy on Aug 12, 2024 14:20:55 GMT -5
This ends any problem with taking Fort. This was a no brainer. You now have a line to Team Durant Also reading some recent Cam Ward quotes, Cooley playing the long game even though we are out of the top 10. Many people have questioned him. I think he doing so many things right currently to set us up for a big 2025-2026 run for 2 to 3 years especially in terms of getting the good DMV players to consider us again. one other thing that's underrated with coach is he keeps lines of communication open with recruits he misses out on he doesn't burn bridges there are stories of him just seeing players he recruited and lost out on and still just giving advice without even trying to recruit them at all just giving them sage advice helps with NIL
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Post by hoyas315 on Aug 12, 2024 14:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Aug 13, 2024 13:07:00 GMT -5
This ends any problem with taking Fort. This was a no brainer. You now have a line to Team Durant didn't he leave Durant? His HS coach is the head coach of Durant U16s. If you read Ron Bailey's article, He basically recruited Fort to us as a redshirt candidate.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2024 13:56:36 GMT -5
The recent editions of Seal Diouf and Julius Halaifonua are enough for me to be cautiously positive (okay, bullish) about this upcoming season. Those two, regardless of how many minutes they get, have at least improved the team’s frontcourt depth. And based on what I’m hearing Cooley is expecting a lot from them, in particular Julius.
When it comes to length in the frontcourt we now have Julius, Seal, Thomas Sorber, Drew Fielder, Drew McKenna , Caleb Williams and Jordan Burks. We must remember that last season all we had was Supreme Cook, Fielder, Massoud and Ryan Mutombo…and Ryan wasn’t barely seeing the court. Before I go on let me say that I have received information about Cooley’s zoom call with Hoya Rising from two sources. One is from a guy who posts frequently on the Hoya Report message board. I won’t divulge any of that because it may be against the policy of that site. The other source however emails me from time to time and is very much privy to inside information. Lets just say according to him Cooley believes every player on the team for this upcoming season is legit Big East quality, something he felt he couldn’t say about last season’s squad. I realize that is a point of contention for a lot of fans and I totally understand. I too think that opinion of Cooley is a bit of an exaggeration and a slap in the face of last season’s squad. He must take the blunt of the blame for having so many non-BE level players if that was the case. But that is his view of things. Back on point…last year’s front court was probably the weakest part of the team because it was too thin in terms of real depth and because half (at least) of the 4s and 5s had trouble competing and exceling against BE foes. I have a feeling that won’t be the problem this season. In my opinion the Hoyas will have one of the best frontcourts in the BE (including three top 75 players). Their main problem will be lack of experience, not ability, skill and upside.
I was told that Sorber is back up to 248 pounds and that Cooley legitimately thinks he can win BE Rookie of the Year. I was also told Cooley is as high on Julius Halaifonua as he is on Sorber. Thinks both can be impact freshmen. All indications are also that Seal will be playing too. If you have seen clips of Seal you will come to realize he can’t score more than two feet from the basket at this stage. However you will also see he is 6’9 with an already college-ready body. He also has long arms , great hands and enough explosion to a good finisher even as a freshman. When you add this to the Two Drew’s excellent faceup game and shooting abilities, Burks’ explosiveness and Caleb Williams multi-tool skillset, then you see Cooley has a lot to work with. And this is not even including Peavy who is expected to be the SF but isn’t as tall as the others so I didn’t bother to include him in this mix.
According to my source Cooley is expecting a huge year from Epps as well and he is extremely high on Mack and Peavy. So if these three guys live up to reasonable expectations, then what the Hoyas need at the most is depth for a frontcourt that can do damage inside, defend the pain, be threats to score when needed and most importantly rebound. I have a hard time imagining that the Hoyas will be unable to find at least a couple of guys in the frontcourt rotation who can provide in those key areas.
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Post by bluegray79 on Aug 13, 2024 14:46:12 GMT -5
That's the kind of post I love to see -- thank you, MCI. Info from inside the program is hard to come by (heck, they aren't even announcing new commits) & learning what we might expect from the HC's POV is invaluable even if it could be fluid and evolving. I love our front court depth and the potential provided by what looks to be a handful of savvy passers and some significant high court IQ. I am feeling some apprehension about the PG/SG playmaking and will until I see it unfolding in the OOC games and get a better sense of how Epps. Mack, Mulready, Peavy, et. al play together. That and keeping the guys healthy and hungry are my main worries (o.k., and the youth of the squad, which is eased by the high ceiling for this group if we can grow, stay together, & and play BE ball.)
Much like the political landscape out there, there's a whole new and different feeling about the program, and I can't wait to see this team compete and play.
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Post by cas92 on Aug 13, 2024 15:27:41 GMT -5
The recent editions of Seal Diouf and Julius Halaifonua are enough for me to be cautiously positive (okay, bullish) about this upcoming season. Those two, regardless of how many minutes they get, have at least improved the team’s frontcourt depth. And based on what I’m hearing Cooley is expecting a lot from them, in particular Julius. Optimism buoyed enough to vie potentially for a top half of the conference finish? Hoping so.
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Post by conshyhoya on Aug 13, 2024 16:00:07 GMT -5
The recent editions of Seal Diouf and Julius Halaifonua are enough for me to be cautiously positive (okay, bullish) about this upcoming season. Those two, regardless of how many minutes they get, have at least improved the team’s frontcourt depth. And based on what I’m hearing Cooley is expecting a lot from them, in particular Julius. When it comes to length in the frontcourt we now have Julius, Seal, Thomas Sorber, Drew Fielder, Drew McKenna , Caleb Williams and Jordan Burks. We must remember that last season all we had was Supreme Cook, Fielder, Massoud and Ryan Mutombo…and Ryan wasn’t barely seeing the court. Before I go on let me say that I have received information about Cooley’s zoom call with Hoya Rising from two sources. One is from a guy who posts frequently on the Hoya Report message board. I won’t divulge any of that because it may be against the policy of that site. The other source however emails me from time to time and is very much privy to inside information. Lets just say according to him Cooley believes every player on the team for this upcoming season is legit Big East quality, something he felt he couldn’t say about last season’s squad. I realize that is a point of contention for a lot of fans and I totally understand. I too think that opinion of Cooley is a bit of an exaggeration and a slap in the face of last season’s squad. He must take the blunt of the blame for having so many non-BE level players if that was the case. But that is his view of things. Back on point…last year’s front court was probably the weakest part of the team because it was too thin in terms of real depth and because half (at least) of the 4s and 5s had trouble competing and exceling against BE foes. I have a feeling that won’t be the problem this season. In my opinion the Hoyas will have one of the best frontcourts in the BE (including three top 75 players). Their main problem will be lack of experience, not ability, skill and upside. I was told that Sorber is back up to 248 pounds and that Cooley legitimately thinks he can win BE Rookie of the Year. I was also told Cooley is as high on Julius Halaifonua as he is on Sorber. Thinks both can be impact freshmen. All indications are also that Seal will be playing too. If you have seen clips of Seal you will come to realize he can’t score more than two feet from the basket at this stage. However you will also see he is 6’9 with an already college-ready body. He also has long arms , great hands and enough explosion to a good finisher even as a freshman. When you add this to the Two Drew’s excellent faceup game and shooting abilities, Burks’ explosiveness and Caleb Williams multi-tool skillset, then you see Cooley has a lot to work with. And this is not even including Peavy who is expected to be the SF but isn’t as tall as the others so I didn’t bother to include him in this mix. According to my source Cooley is expecting a huge year from Epps as well and he is extremely high on Mack and Peavy. So if these three guys live up to reasonable expectations, then what the Hoyas need at the most is depth for a frontcourt that can do damage inside, defend the pain, be threats to score when needed and most importantly rebound. I have a hard time imagining that the Hoyas will be unable to find at least a couple of guys in the frontcourt rotation who can provide in those key areas. Peavy is the same height as Drew and taller than Caleb unless either of them grew. We are going to have a lot of length this year.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 13, 2024 17:00:00 GMT -5
I have no idea what exactly Cooley means by "legit Big East talent", but I can say that we generally ran out at least three starters who were not Big East starting quality. I don't think you see Cook, Massoud or Heath (or Bristol or Brumbaugh) starting on a non-Georgetown, non-Depaul team. I'm not going to quibble on the backups except to say, at minimum, we were too thin, and if you are rolling to a walk on by your 9th player, it's a problem even if all your backups were capable.
I think that's just reality, slap in the face or not. And since it's a private call... eh.
As for next year, I am personally going to be cautious about anything that is said to a fan support group -- I don't think anyone is going to be negative on what is fundamentally an NIL fundraising call.
But there are several things that are undeniable.
One, we simply have a lot more players on the roster.
Two, there's a lot more raw talent on the roster. I'm not the biggest fan of recruiting rankings, but they tell the truth here. We were very thin on actual talent last year. I don't think there really should be any argument that the upsides of guys like Julius and Sorber far outstrip Supreme Cook's.
Three, while you can't guarantee improvement, we can likely expect Epps, Mack, Fielder to be improvements on the minutes from last year, and it's unlikely Peavy is materially worse than Styles (and might be better). The upgrade from Heath to Mack (or Heath and Brumbaugh to Mack) seems substantial with the only real question being three point shooting.
I actually think that the wings will have trouble improving too much on Bristol simply because freshmen generally don't defend well and he did. They could be better offensively, but I don't know if it is going to be huge. I think Mulready has a lot more talent than Brumbaugh, but he also could take some adjustment and Brumbaugh did shoot well.
That leaves the big question mark of, can the massive number of young players yield enough production -- enough players being ready -- to improve upon the C and PF slots (beyond Fielder's improvement, which could be pretty big) as well as some of the reserve minutes. Some of them will not be ready.
But I just can't see Sorber, Julius, new Fielder, Seal, Burks and small ball time for McKenna or Caleb NOT being an vast improvement on Cook, Massoud, old Fielder, ad Mutombo. Yes, they will be super young. But Massoud was such a poor player last year, that group is starting so far ahead.
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Post by hoyaguy on Aug 13, 2024 17:10:39 GMT -5
The recent editions of Seal Diouf and Julius Halaifonua are enough for me to be cautiously positive (okay, bullish) about this upcoming season. Those two, regardless of how many minutes they get, have at least improved the team’s frontcourt depth. And based on what I’m hearing Cooley is expecting a lot from them, in particular Julius. When it comes to length in the frontcourt we now have Julius, Seal, Thomas Sorber, Drew Fielder, Drew McKenna , Caleb Williams and Jordan Burks. We must remember that last season all we had was Supreme Cook, Fielder, Massoud and Ryan Mutombo…and Ryan wasn’t barely seeing the court. Before I go on let me say that I have received information about Cooley’s zoom call with Hoya Rising from two sources. One is from a guy who posts frequently on the Hoya Report message board. I won’t divulge any of that because it may be against the policy of that site. The other source however emails me from time to time and is very much privy to inside information. Lets just say according to him Cooley believes every player on the team for this upcoming season is legit Big East quality, something he felt he couldn’t say about last season’s squad. I realize that is a point of contention for a lot of fans and I totally understand. I too think that opinion of Cooley is a bit of an exaggeration and a slap in the face of last season’s squad. He must take the blunt of the blame for having so many non-BE level players if that was the case. But that is his view of things. Back on point…last year’s front court was probably the weakest part of the team because it was too thin in terms of real depth and because half (at least) of the 4s and 5s had trouble competing and exceling against BE foes. I have a feeling that won’t be the problem this season. In my opinion the Hoyas will have one of the best frontcourts in the BE (including three top 75 players). Their main problem will be lack of experience, not ability, skill and upside. I was told that Sorber is back up to 248 pounds and that Cooley legitimately thinks he can win BE Rookie of the Year. I was also told Cooley is as high on Julius Halaifonua as he is on Sorber. Thinks both can be impact freshmen. All indications are also that Seal will be playing too. If you have seen clips of Seal you will come to realize he can’t score more than two feet from the basket at this stage. However you will also see he is 6’9 with an already college-ready body. He also has long arms , great hands and enough explosion to a good finisher even as a freshman. When you add this to the Two Drew’s excellent faceup game and shooting abilities, Burks’ explosiveness and Caleb Williams multi-tool skillset, then you see Cooley has a lot to work with. And this is not even including Peavy who is expected to be the SF but isn’t as tall as the others so I didn’t bother to include him in this mix. According to my source Cooley is expecting a huge year from Epps as well and he is extremely high on Mack and Peavy. So if these three guys live up to reasonable expectations, then what the Hoyas need at the most is depth for a frontcourt that can do damage inside, defend the pain, be threats to score when needed and most importantly rebound. I have a hard time imagining that the Hoyas will be unable to find at least a couple of guys in the frontcourt rotation who can provide in those key areas. Peavy is the same height as Drew and taller than Caleb unless either of them grew. We are going to have a lot of length this year. Drew is listed as 6’ 10” and Peavy is listed as 6’ 7 or 8 depending on where.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Aug 13, 2024 17:36:04 GMT -5
Peavy is the same height as Drew and taller than Caleb unless either of them grew. We are going to have a lot of length this year. Drew is listed as 6’ 10” and Peavy is listed as 6’ 7 or 8 depending on where. I'm guessing he's means McKenna - though I think DM's got an inch on him too. Either way... our 1/2 will be a little short this year while our 3/4 will be taller than average. I think we'll be pretty much in line with BE foes in general, but a successful Julius/Fielder lineup would cause some issues for sure.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 13, 2024 17:54:08 GMT -5
I have no idea what exactly Cooley means by "legit Big East talent", but I can say that we generally ran out at least three starters who were not Big East starting quality. I don't think you see Cook, Massoud or Heath (or Bristol or Brumbaugh) starting on a non-Georgetown, non-Depaul team. I'm not going to quibble on the backups except to say, at minimum, we were too thin, and if you are rolling to a walk on by your 9th player, it's a problem even if all your backups were capable. I think that's just reality, slap in the face or not. And since it's a private call... eh. As for next year, I am personally going to be cautious about anything that is said to a fan support group -- I don't think anyone is going to be negative on what is fundamentally an NIL fundraising call. But there are several things that are undeniable. One, we simply have a lot more players on the roster. Two, there's a lot more raw talent on the roster. I'm not the biggest fan of recruiting rankings, but they tell the truth here. We were very thin on actual talent last year. I don't think there really should be any argument that the upsides of guys like Julius and Sorber far outstrip Supreme Cook's. Three, while you can't guarantee improvement, we can likely expect Epps, Mack, Fielder to be improvements on the minutes from last year, and it's unlikely Peavy is materially worse than Styles (and might be better). The upgrade from Heath to Mack (or Heath and Brumbaugh to Mack) seems substantial with the only real question being three point shooting. I actually think that the wings will have trouble improving too much on Bristol simply because freshmen generally don't defend well and he did. They could be better offensively, but I don't know if it is going to be huge. I think Mulready has a lot more talent than Brumbaugh, but he also could take some adjustment and Brumbaugh did shoot well. That leaves the big question mark of, can the massive number of young players yield enough production -- enough players being ready -- to improve upon the C and PF slots (beyond Fielder's improvement, which could be pretty big) as well as some of the reserve minutes. Some of them will not be ready. But I just can't see Sorber, Julius, new Fielder, Seal, Burks and small ball time for McKenna or Caleb NOT being an vast improvement on Cook, Massoud, old Fielder, ad Mutombo. Yes, they will be super young. But Massoud was such a poor player last year, that group is starting so far ahead. Trying to be cautious in viewing the promise of the upcoming season. Been there done that too many times recently. That said I completely agree that at this point there seems to be a clear talent upgrade. The issue for me is perimeter shooting and how quickly the younger players can reach the point of being able to compete against the talent in the BE. Last year I kept waiting for the "February jump" in performance that never came. This will be a real test for Cooley as it is going to be hard to develop that many 1st year players, particularly when all of them are likely expecting to play.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 13, 2024 18:04:58 GMT -5
Trying to be cautious in viewing the promise of the upcoming season. Been there done that too many times recently. That said I completely agree that at this point there seems to be a clear talent upgrade. The issue for me is perimeter shooting and how quickly the younger players can reach the point of being able to compete against the talent in the BE. Last year I kept waiting for the "February jump" in performance that never came. This will be a real test for Cooley as it is going to be hard to develop that many 1st year players, particularly when all of them are likely expecting to play. Yeah, I think you've hit it. The question marks on the downside part of things are essentially shooting and how the young players respond, particularly in terms of defense. It will be an incredible problem to have if everyone is ready to play, but I suspect that a decent number of PT decisions will be easier than that. Our depth is probably a bit overrated because of that. On the other hand, the positive questions marks are pretty exciting. I'd say that there's a real chance Mack transforms the offense. There's a real chance Epps' three point shooting improves. There's a real chance someone can provide some level of rim protection which could transform the defense. There's potential for a substantial leap, even if our youth will offset that in some ways.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 13, 2024 18:47:40 GMT -5
The recent editions of Seal Diouf and Julius Halaifonua are enough for me to be cautiously positive (okay, bullish) about this upcoming season. Those two, regardless of how many minutes they get, have at least improved the team’s frontcourt depth. And based on what I’m hearing Cooley is expecting a lot from them, in particular Julius. When it comes to length in the frontcourt we now have Julius, Seal, Thomas Sorber, Drew Fielder, Drew McKenna , Caleb Williams and Jordan Burks. We must remember that last season all we had was Supreme Cook, Fielder, Massoud and Ryan Mutombo…and Ryan wasn’t barely seeing the court. Before I go on let me say that I have received information about Cooley’s zoom call with Hoya Rising from two sources. One is from a guy who posts frequently on the Hoya Report message board. I won’t divulge any of that because it may be against the policy of that site. The other source however emails me from time to time and is very much privy to inside information. Lets just say according to him Cooley believes every player on the team for this upcoming season is legit Big East quality, something he felt he couldn’t say about last season’s squad. I realize that is a point of contention for a lot of fans and I totally understand. I too think that opinion of Cooley is a bit of an exaggeration and a slap in the face of last season’s squad. He must take the blunt of the blame for having so many non-BE level players if that was the case. But that is his view of things. Back on point…last year’s front court was probably the weakest part of the team because it was too thin in terms of real depth and because half (at least) of the 4s and 5s had trouble competing and exceling against BE foes. I have a feeling that won’t be the problem this season. In my opinion the Hoyas will have one of the best frontcourts in the BE (including three top 75 players). Their main problem will be lack of experience, not ability, skill and upside. I was told that Sorber is back up to 248 pounds and that Cooley legitimately thinks he can win BE Rookie of the Year. I was also told Cooley is as high on Julius Halaifonua as he is on Sorber. Thinks both can be impact freshmen. All indications are also that Seal will be playing too. If you have seen clips of Seal you will come to realize he can’t score more than two feet from the basket at this stage. However you will also see he is 6’9 with an already college-ready body. He also has long arms , great hands and enough explosion to a good finisher even as a freshman. When you add this to the Two Drew’s excellent faceup game and shooting abilities, Burks’ explosiveness and Caleb Williams multi-tool skillset, then you see Cooley has a lot to work with. And this is not even including Peavy who is expected to be the SF but isn’t as tall as the others so I didn’t bother to include him in this mix. According to my source Cooley is expecting a huge year from Epps as well and he is extremely high on Mack and Peavy. So if these three guys live up to reasonable expectations, then what the Hoyas need at the most is depth for a frontcourt that can do damage inside, defend the pain, be threats to score when needed and most importantly rebound. I have a hard time imagining that the Hoyas will be unable to find at least a couple of guys in the frontcourt rotation who can provide in those key areas. I suspect that we will have at least solid contributions from Mack, Epps, and Peavy. Sorber and Hanaikouna should be able to have more production on offense and more effectiveness defensively than Cook. If our floor, is Fielder at the 4, then I think cautious optimism is warranted. After being bad for so long, I don't think anyone expects anything from the Hoyas this season. We could surprise a lot of teams and people. We are starting to look like a mid-table team against a weakened conference...assuming we don't have things start breaking against us.
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Post by dchoya72 on Aug 13, 2024 20:27:43 GMT -5
Is the 24-25 roster available?
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Post by sportsastroguy on Aug 13, 2024 21:14:39 GMT -5
His HS coach is the head coach of Durant U16s. If you read Ron Bailey's article, He basically recruited Fort to us as a redshirt candidate. yeah i saw that; but i read somewhere recently that he was leaving Durant for another EYBL squad but in the end maybe this is what was brewing.
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