24-25 Hoya Basketball

[DanMcQ]

[jwp91]

JB or Jordan Burks was one of the first players mentioned on two occasions. There could be a clue there.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Jul 2, 2024 18:19:28 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Jul 2, 2024 16:42:41 GMT -5 guru said:

Well, this is a depressing list. I’ve seen our current situation compared to Louisville’s on other college basketball sites, and this shows that aside from recent on-court trajectory, we’re not in the same stratosphere as Louisville. Not even close.

These numbers are not altogether accurate, in that the site is taking numbers off the EADA reports and calling it "revenue" when it's not. The financial statements of the Louisville athletic department (read here) report 2022-23 revenue closer to $22 million. That said, UofL is a revenue machine at the KFC Yum Center thanks to a lease so favorable, the school has incresaed its payments largely to keep the arena from going into receivership.

In its 2021 documentation, U of L pays rent of just 10 percent of tickets sold, 12 percent on suite rentals, 50 percent on concessions, and 50 percent of parking, which brings in a lot of revenue even in a bad year, which 2022-23 was for the Cardinals (4-28), which still outdrew the 2022-23 Hoyas by more than double (12,497 per game vs. 5,442). Put another way, Louisville collects 90 percent of ticket revenue, 88 percent of all suite rental, 50 percent on concessions, 50 percent on parking. Pit 20,000 people in the building and that's some serious revenue.

And Georgetown?

As to Capital One Arena, GU is a day-tenant, paying a fee whether there's 2,500 or 20,500 in the building, with 0 percent from suite rental income, and likely 0 percent parking, and 0 percent concessions in Monumental-managed locations. When Georgetown can fill the building, that's good for GU and good for Monumental. When Georgetown can't, it's bad for Georgetown but still good for Monumental.

But for all that revenue, Louisville still posted a $30 million operating loss for the athletic department in 2023, and owes $62 million remaining on bonds issued for the renovation of Cardinal Stadium (now the generically named "L&N Federal Credit Union Stadium") when it joined the ACC. This is why TV rights fees mean so much for these schools as they are the only way out of the debt commitments they have made.

The school also collects $25 per student per semester for an athletics fee, but Louisville isn't as big a school as you would think. It reports just 11,266 full time undergraduates.

For years, Louisville has always been at the top of the revenue list when it comes to basketball revenue, and so this is nothing new. As DFW states, the YUM Center is a major reason for this. The other tricky thing that comes into the equation is that when you have a program with football, how revenue is divided also becomes something fungible. For example, how much of the TV contracts are attributed to football v. basketball?

But the bottom line is that from a revenue perspective, Georgetown is not even close to Louisville nor has it been. The fact that these numbers are not really reliable (at least with respect to specifics) is that other lists have different information. For example, this list has Duke at #1: www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball

[Ranch Dressing]

Jul 2, 2024 20:31:16 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Thank you, that was a great clip. Looks to have an awesome personality, able to lead by example, and ultimately help Cooley bring in more talent from the DMV.

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[hoyas315]

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[traversb]

Jun 25, 2024 20:20:47 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Jun 23, 2024 13:50:21 GMT -5 traversb said:

Rowan was sick of playing with Epps and how Epps had an unlimited leash.

Gotta love that you hate Epps so much you just straight out made that up. Why would anyone believe anything you write?

I'll put you down with your favorite as poster as people who will clearly lie to win an internet argument.

This makes me chuckle. To satisfy you though I did ask my Rowan source (more on that below) about this and there is definitely some nuance. Part of what I said is definitely true and I knew that when I made the statement. The 2nd part I just took what I knew and made an assumption based on the fact that Rowan left as soon as he could which is usually a good tell on a player's feelings. Let me give you a situation where both things could be true.

There are a bunch of Republican VP candidates that don't like Trump. They have stated it in public many times. They still want to get the VP job because it's very good for their wallet so they will now say what's needed to make it happen. The Republican party can also say all of these people, even the ones that don't get chosen want to be on the team. 

As for hating Epps that is ludicrous. I don't like his game at all. I have followed him for a while and root for all players that come up where he did. I wish he would change his mentality so I could be fully on board. I am just not going to wear Hoya glasses to cloud what I think about his game.

The other thing that is amusing to me is the amount of credence that is being put into Hoyas "sources" all of a sudden. I don't have any Hoyas sources nor would I believe them if I did. There are likely very few if any Hoya related people that are actually getting good info from the staff right now. That could change when Ed brings in more local coaches. There are plenty of Hoyas "sources" that are being used as pawns (and don't know it) which is why the info around the team has been so bad recently. The people reporting were so deprived of any info from previous regimes that as soon as they got fed some they couldn't wait to feel so ever important. Cooley is really good at making people feel like they are important. The guy who I will not name, that has now asked for people not to share his info has been profiting off negligible or bad info for well over a decade. I am not sure why people still waste their well earned money on him. I used to laugh at seeing the info he was putting out when we were both at the same recruiting events. The truth is the only way to get good Hoya info is from the player side, not the school side right now. That's what I do. That is generally a good rule when getting any sports info. Those considered the best in the business are just mouthpieces that have something to gain from what is being reported. All that said I don't expect you to believe me. I just ask that you talk to your own sources because the ones a lot of people seem to be relying on aren't good. 

[SFHoya99]

Jul 5, 2024 15:24:59 GMT -5 traversb said:

This makes me chuckle. To satisfy you though I did ask my Rowan source (more on that below) about this and there is definitely some nuance. Part of what I said is definitely true and I knew that when I made the statement. The 2nd part I just took what I knew and made an assumption based on the fact that Rowan left as soon as he could which is usually a good tell on a player's feelings. Let me give you a situation where both things could be true.

Yeah, but see, you didn't write "I heard Rowan was frustrated with Epps at times." You wrote that Rowan left because of Epps. That's my point -- you made up things to make your argument sound better.

If you hear something, say you heard that. If you want to extrapolate, say that. But it's pretty clear you altered what you heard because it fit your argument.

[DanMcQ]

[hoyas315]

[dense]

Once we got Mack he wasn't coming here. I'm not really surprised about that. What's good is he may transfer here after a year if he doesn't play as much as he wants somewhere else.

[hoyariv71]

Jul 12, 2024 0:36:06 GMT -5 dense said:

Once we got Mack he wasn't coming here. I'm not really surprised about that. What's good is he may transfer here after a year if he doesn't play as much as he wants somewhere else.

exactly, the game has changed, there is no reason to come to a place where you aren’t guaranteed the money or playing time you want. I believe a Junior Mack is going to be a lot better than a freshman Acaiden, nothing against acaiden who I like a lot.

[bostonfan]

Jul 12, 2024 10:17:41 GMT -5 hoyariv71 said:

Jul 12, 2024 0:36:06 GMT -5 dense said:

Once we got Mack he wasn't coming here. I'm not really surprised about that. What's good is he may transfer here after a year if he doesn't play as much as he wants somewhere else.

exactly, the game has changed, there is no reason to come to a place where you aren’t guaranteed the money or playing time you want. I believe a Junior Mack is going to be a lot better than a freshman Acaiden, nothing against acaiden who I like a lot.

Not sure I agree with that. I think he just wants to play for a winning program. All of those schools left on his final 8 are going to have lots of good players that he is going to have to compete with for playing time. Most of those schools bring in recruiting classes with multiple 5 star recruits and usually have a few hold overs from teams that were good the year before. I am hopefully Mack is going  be a really good player for the Hoyas and Lewis would have had to compete with him for playing time, but that doesn't mean Lewis would not play at all/much. Good teams/programs always have other good players. I am sure Lewis is expecting he will have to compete for playing time if he goes to a Duke, Kansas or Kentucky.

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Jul 12, 2024 10:48:26 GMT -5 bostonfan said:

Jul 12, 2024 10:17:41 GMT -5 hoyariv71 said:

exactly, the game has changed, there is no reason to come to a place where you aren’t guaranteed the money or playing time you want. I believe a Junior Mack is going to be a lot better than a freshman Acaiden, nothing against acaiden who I like a lot.

Not sure I agree with that. I think he just wants to play for a winning program. All of those schools left on his final 8 are going to have lots of good players that he is going to have to compete with for playing time. Most of those schools bring in recruiting classes with multiple 5 star recruits and usually have a few hold overs from teams that were good the year before. I am hopefully Mack is going  be a really good player for the Hoyas and Lewis would have had to compete with him for playing time, but that doesn't mean Lewis would not play at all/much. Good teams/programs always have other good players. I am sure Lewis is expecting he will have to compete for playing time if he goes to a Duke, Kansas or Kentucky.

Maybe but this isnt the first time he left or didn't come to place because of Malik. He left St John's for Sidwell also. His quotes from his dad make it seem like I won't be surprised if he doesn't come back here in a year or 2.

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[conshyhoya]

Jul 15, 2024 17:10:05 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

Looked to me like McKenna is just about as tall as Fielder. Last year's roster suggests a 2" difference. I didn't see it in this video. Not sure if McKenna has grown or if Fielder's height was previously exaggerated.

Fielder's shoulders looked pretty broad, but he still looked pretty lean. Not sure if I believe the reports that he has put on significant weight. That could be a good thing. It is really hard to put on a lot of good weight.

McKenna's clothes were too baggy for me to assess

You mean the video with the 6'9" Thomas Sorber and Drew Fielder? What video has the two Drews next to each other?

[jwp91]

That is hysterical. Yes, I confused Sorber and McKenna somehow. Thanks for pointing it out.

So Fielder looks just a bit taller than Thomas.