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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Aug 27, 2024 21:21:24 GMT -5
I want to be excited about this team, but if this is the schedule coach put together…
How good (or bad) does he expect us to be?
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 27, 2024 21:37:53 GMT -5
I want to be excited about this team, but if this is the schedule coach put together… How good (or bad) does he expect us to be? Can you give Cooley until conference play to figure things out? You still have Cuse, ND and WVA.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Aug 27, 2024 22:06:09 GMT -5
I want to be excited about this team, but if this is the schedule coach put together… How good (or bad) does he expect us to be? Can you give Cooley until conference play to figure things out? You still have Cuse, ND and WVA. For sure! Figure he wants to stack wins to build confidence, but was hoping for a bit tougher of a schedule.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Aug 28, 2024 8:39:41 GMT -5
If they can’t go 10-1 in the non conference something wrong, then 5-15 in big east I would say. 15-16 overall. Hopefully a little better I would like to see a winning record if not Cooley just isn’t getting it heading up.
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Post by traversb on Aug 28, 2024 8:56:16 GMT -5
Cooley has taken his admiration of Big John a little too far with this one. This is exactly how not to schedule to game the system if you’re trying to make the tournament. This is reminiscent of Ewing trying to stat pad his coaching record. Cooley did a good job in the off-season building a much more complete team than last year. This has led to some excitement about the upcoming year. Seems silly to reward that excitement with this schedule. There are going to be plenty of good seats available for the non McDonough games. Of course I’m sure the official attendance numbers will be reported as double the people in the building.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 28, 2024 9:13:40 GMT -5
Of additional concern in the schedule is the number of guarantee games (8) with no return on investment. According to On3.com, Georgetown wrote a check for $80,000 to play UMBC in 2022-23 for an announced attendance of 4,134. If this is the going rate where Georgetown does not return a road game in kind, that's a waste of money. Yes, guarantee games go way back (e.g., St. Leo) but returning some games with competitive regional opponents (emphasis on competitive) is a better strategy. www.on3.com/news/louisville-basketball-college-non-conference-schedule-2023-buy-game-guarantees-cal-florida-state/(Click on database for details)
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 28, 2024 10:43:04 GMT -5
Of additional concern in the schedule is the number of guarantee games (8) with no return on investment. According to On3.com, Georgetown wrote a check for $80,000 to play UMBC in 2022-23 for an announced attendance of 4,134. If this is the going rate where Georgetown does not return a road game in kind, that's a waste of money. Yes, guarantee games go way back (e.g., St. Leo) but returning some games with competitive regional opponents (emphasis on competitive) is a better strategy. www.on3.com/news/louisville-basketball-college-non-conference-schedule-2023-buy-game-guarantees-cal-florida-state/(Click on database for details) I get your point and long on the record for playing competitive opponents instead of guarantee games. But, I really think the money part is not very compelling. $80,000 for a program with a budget of several million dollars isn't that much money in the larger scheme of things. It would not shock me at all if every player on our team who gets NIL money makes more than that (and yes, I realize that's from a different pot, but just putting it out there as a comparison).
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Aug 28, 2024 12:27:54 GMT -5
Why don’t we ever schedule competitive local schools like GMU? Has Georgetown ever played GMU?
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Post by conshyhoya on Aug 28, 2024 13:16:40 GMT -5
Why don’t we ever schedule competitive local schools like GMU? Has Georgetown ever played GMU? Played them once in 1985.
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Post by astrohoya on Aug 28, 2024 19:05:53 GMT -5
Why don’t we ever schedule competitive local schools like GMU? Has Georgetown ever played GMU? Key word there is competitive. I don’t think that is what he is looking for.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 28, 2024 19:45:06 GMT -5
One of the usual defenses of a weaker schedule is often that our guys need to build their confidence, get used to playing together, etc. But here's the problem with that:
1. We have had easy OOCs now for several years in a row under Ewing and Cooley, and to date, those games have not helped our guys build their confidence.
2. If you schedule really bad opponents and LOSE like we did to Dartmouth and Holy Cross (and almost lost to Coppin State under Ewing), that is enormously deflating and season-killing to a significant extent. We saw that with both Dartmouth and Holy Cross. That would not be true to a loss even a not-great, but not good team like Fordham, for example.
3. By not playing ANY good teams or tournament caliber teams, you are essentially passing on the win-win situation. If you lose, that's what is supposed to happen. If you win (like we almost did against TCU last year), it's a big deal. Under JT3, the early Duke win was often cited as a turning point of sorts...you do not get that opportunity if you refuse to play anybody good.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Aug 29, 2024 4:58:18 GMT -5
One of the usual defenses of a weaker schedule is often that our guys need to build their confidence, get used to playing together, etc. But here's the problem with that: 1. We have had easy OOCs now for several years in a row under Ewing and Cooley, and to date, those games have not helped our guys build their confidence. 2. If you schedule really bad opponents and LOSE like we did to Dartmouth and Holy Cross (and almost lost to Coppin State under Ewing), that is enormously deflating and season-killing to a significant extent. We saw that with both Dartmouth and Holy Cross. That would not be true to a loss even a not-great, but not good team like Fordham, for example. 3. By not playing ANY good teams or tournament caliber teams, you are essentially passing on the win-win situation. If you lose, that's what is supposed to happen. If you win (like we almost did against TCU last year), it's a big deal. Under JT3, the early Duke win was often cited as a turning point of sorts...you do not get that opportunity if you refuse to play anybody good. Agreed. We need to hope that Cuse and ND are tournament teams this year because I can’t see WVU making much noise
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Post by TC on Aug 29, 2024 9:10:38 GMT -5
Of additional concern in the schedule is the number of guarantee games (8) with no return on investment. According to On3.com, Georgetown wrote a check for $80,000 to play UMBC in 2022-23 for an announced attendance of 4,134. If this is the going rate where Georgetown does not return a road game in kind, that's a waste of money. Yes, guarantee games go way back (e.g., St. Leo) but returning some games with competitive regional opponents (emphasis on competitive) is a better strategy. www.on3.com/news/louisville-basketball-college-non-conference-schedule-2023-buy-game-guarantees-cal-florida-state/(Click on database for details) We're paying Patrick Ewing over $4M this year because of an extension no other program in the nation would have given any other coach with a similar career record. If you are going to complain about return on investment, maybe start there, because those decisions are why we have this schedule and this attendance level at this point.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 29, 2024 20:14:15 GMT -5
I'm hoping they include the McDonough game for a few select season ticket holders (me) and have us sit courtside. I should also get to run one timeout and call at least one set. With this schedule, are you telling me 8 total loser games to get to the ten BE regular season games? Rough! Call The Fist! No, wait - The Double Fist!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 29, 2024 20:16:37 GMT -5
One of the usual defenses of a weaker schedule is often that our guys need to build their confidence, get used to playing together, etc. But here's the problem with that: 1. We have had easy OOCs now for several years in a row under Ewing and Cooley, and to date, those games have not helped our guys build their confidence. 2. If you schedule really bad opponents and LOSE like we did to Dartmouth and Holy Cross (and almost lost to Coppin State under Ewing), that is enormously deflating and season-killing to a significant extent. We saw that with both Dartmouth and Holy Cross. That would not be true to a loss even a not-great, but not good team like Fordham, for example. 3. By not playing ANY good teams or tournament caliber teams, you are essentially passing on the win-win situation. If you lose, that's what is supposed to happen. If you win (like we almost did against TCU last year), it's a big deal. Under JT3, the early Duke win was often cited as a turning point of sorts...you do not get that opportunity if you refuse to play anybody good. Agreed. We need to hope that Cuse and ND are tournament teams this year because I can’t see WVU making much noise I will never, ever hope that Suckacuse is a tournament team.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 8, 2024 7:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 8, 2024 10:25:45 GMT -5
At the end of the day it’s about Winning records as we saw what happened to Seton Hall and St John’s at the hands the corrupt ACC dominated NCAA selection committee
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 8, 2024 19:57:14 GMT -5
It's important to understand that much of the schedule was put to bed before our team came together. I believe Coach had many opportunities to orchestrate a much more compelling schedule....but given the state of the team, its youth and the fact that we won so few conference games in the 4 years....he thought it was important for the team to have some confidence and momentum going into conference play.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 9, 2024 7:28:35 GMT -5
It's important to understand that much of the schedule was put to bed before our team came together. I believe Coach had many opportunities to orchestrate a much more compelling schedule....but given the state of the team, its youth and the fact that we won so few conference games in the 4 years....he thought it was important for the team to have some confidence and momentum going into conference play. It's a fair point, but at the same time, a little more challenging OOC would presumably make us more prepared for the conference schedule. Hard to hit just the right balance I know.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 9, 2024 11:12:52 GMT -5
It's important to understand that much of the schedule was put to bed before our team came together. I believe Coach had many opportunities to orchestrate a much more compelling schedule....but given the state of the team, its youth and the fact that we won so few conference games in the 4 years....he thought it was important for the team to have some confidence and momentum going into conference play. Makes perfect sense to me. We are so young. We need some cupcakes to build some cohesion and confidence.
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