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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 4, 2024 8:47:08 GMT -5
Think you are putting too much stock in professional titles as a measure of alumni wealth. Georgetown has members of royal families and international billionaires as alumni. Those people are not attending Texas Christian University. Familial wealth runs deep. We have the money to scrap together to pay a damn 21 year old center. If we don’t, again, maybe it’s time to pick a new focus. It’s a brave new world out there. Yep. Just seems like the rich keep getting richer while we are content with "trying to get the best value" and not wanting to overpay for top-tier talent. We don't have the advantages that some other schools have, and NIL is what we should be using to even the playing field... but we're not.
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Post by metaphor on May 4, 2024 9:17:18 GMT -5
I do not have any inside information on this, but it does not seem like we have a Jerry Jones type who is willing to bankroll the Arkansas basketball team in the hopes of buying a title. Rather, we have worked hard to put together a solid amount from a number of folks and that may not continue to bankroll us.
Individual donors are very fickle. They can dry up quickly without seeing a return on their contribution.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 4, 2024 9:21:51 GMT -5
If ever there was a time to overpay, it’s this weekend to secure Cliff O. I think we get it done.
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Post by nbhoya on May 4, 2024 10:26:32 GMT -5
Agree. Pay him whatever it takes. May not keep getting money if you don’t.
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Post by EtomicB on May 4, 2024 10:33:12 GMT -5
Agree. Pay him whatever it takes. May not keep getting money if you don’t. I don’t think it’s a good precedent to set going forward. it’s only year two, not a time to act desperate
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Post by blueeagle on May 4, 2024 10:43:01 GMT -5
To quote Teddy KGB from Rounders (with the worst Russian accent in the history of cinema), "Pay the man his money."
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Post by hoyariv71 on May 4, 2024 11:43:05 GMT -5
Agreed, no division 1 football, no home court areana, yes these kids live basketball but these 4 years of college will be something they remember forever. They want to have the ultimate fun experience. Georgetown participates in FCS football, which is Division I but not at the same funding level.--AdminMy bad, I knew they played football but not the atmosphere of big time colleges.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on May 4, 2024 11:55:44 GMT -5
As a university with one of the lowest endowments in the country for a school of its stature and history, it is not hard to see why big bucks are not flowing out of alumni to the NIL bag. I don't think that Georgetown does a good job at connecting with alumni or courting their interests. And the University has stumbled through any series of administrative embarrassments and redirections that have turned off alumni on the school. My class generally shakes its head in bewilderment looking at what Georgetown has become these days. My son who graduated 30 years later has very little affinity or linkages to the University.
My sense is that there is a real minority of Georgetown alums these days who care anything at all about the basketball program, while the rest are either largely turned off on the University or focused on more important things. The movement of college basketball away from a student athlete model to a pay for play model exacerbates this trend in my view for Georgetown alums, but likely works in favor of schools where alumni identification with college athletic programs is the highest, academics are somewhat secondary, and alumni remain relatively local and engaged in the life of the University.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 4, 2024 13:19:34 GMT -5
If we can’t get a single top 20 transfer — namely Cliff or similar caliber — it may be time to fold up shop. Mack is considered a top 30 basically every where you look... You realize it's 300+ teams vying for transfers...I guess for the other 300+ that also don't land a Top 20 they should call it off as well... What does fold up shop mean...like we should shutdown the program? I hope your sticking to that as a fan if we don't land a Top 20...would expect you to be off the board waiting for us to fold up shop ...
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Post by nbhoya on May 4, 2024 14:05:48 GMT -5
No, it’s just probably time to lower expectations or be resigned to remain bottom tier BE.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 4, 2024 14:27:35 GMT -5
No, it’s just probably time to lower expectations or be resigned to remain bottom tier BE. ...and again I will remember that sentiment if we fail to land a top 20 transfer in this specific portal period...I don't know how we can move on as a program if we don't...good call... ...and I would be prepared then to hitch your wagon to another team...using say On3...which I will ignore the fact they have Mack at 7...but let's says they don't...there is about 4 top 20 kids left and say about 8 top 30 and several of those kids are not playing positions we are actively chasing...so good chance it doesn't happen...
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Post by hsaxon on May 4, 2024 15:52:46 GMT -5
As a university with one of the lowest endowments in the country for a school of its stature and history, it is not hard to see why big bucks are not flowing out of alumni to the NIL bag. I don't think that Georgetown does a good job at connecting with alumni or courting their interests. And the University has stumbled through any series of administrative embarrassments and redirections that have turned off alumni on the school. My class generally shakes its head in bewilderment looking at what Georgetown has become these days. My son who graduated 30 years later has very little affinity or linkages to the University. My sense is that there is a real minority of Georgetown alums these days who care anything at all about the basketball program, while the rest are either largely turned off on the University or focused on more important things. The movement of college basketball away from a student athlete model to a pay for play model exacerbates this trend in my view for Georgetown alums, but likely works in favor of schools where alumni identification with college athletic programs is the highest, academics are somewhat secondary, and alumni remain relatively local and engaged in the life of the University. I have cared about the program for 56 years but I am not paying for NIL.
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Post by kettlehill on May 4, 2024 16:43:39 GMT -5
I suspect that we had a decent shot at Cliff...until RJ announced his return for a fifth year. We have a great looking new PG, but RJ is just the best- and a 5th year. No doubt, of all the players in the portal, Cliff would be what we need most
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Post by iowa80 on May 4, 2024 17:16:30 GMT -5
As a university with one of the lowest endowments in the country for a school of its stature and history, it is not hard to see why big bucks are not flowing out of alumni to the NIL bag. I don't think that Georgetown does a good job at connecting with alumni or courting their interests. And the University has stumbled through any series of administrative embarrassments and redirections that have turned off alumni on the school. My class generally shakes its head in bewilderment looking at what Georgetown has become these days. My son who graduated 30 years later has very little affinity or linkages to the University. My sense is that there is a real minority of Georgetown alums these days who care anything at all about the basketball program, while the rest are either largely turned off on the University or focused on more important things. The movement of college basketball away from a student athlete model to a pay for play model exacerbates this trend in my view for Georgetown alums, but likely works in favor of schools where alumni identification with college athletic programs is the highest, academics are somewhat secondary, and alumni remain relatively local and engaged in the life of the University. I have cared about the program for 56 years but I am not paying for NIL. I’d also speculate that there are a good number of (local) alums who care about the program and show it by buying season tickets that require somewhat hefty seat “donations.” Query whether this route for giving is in essence competitive with funding for NIL.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on May 4, 2024 17:50:10 GMT -5
I don't know if we'll get Cliff tomorrow, but I hope whatever pile of cash we've allocated for him gets used either way.
I think there are combinations of transfers still out there that could be better for us in the near & long term than Cliff + scraps (if that's what we'd be left with after adding him).
You just hope we have time to get involved (or have already been?) with 2 or 3 more guys (5, 4, 1?) that are B+ level talents instead of having to settle for C & D roster fillers.
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Post by SSHoya on May 5, 2024 8:21:19 GMT -5
Assuming Omoruyi goes to UNC, who's the next target?
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Post by nbhoya on May 5, 2024 11:31:14 GMT -5
Cliff to Bama official
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Post by DanMcQ on May 5, 2024 11:52:50 GMT -5
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Post by thedragon on May 5, 2024 12:01:25 GMT -5
Assuming Omoruyi goes to UNC, who's the next target? I'd hope Onyenso
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 5, 2024 12:36:10 GMT -5
Disappointing not to get Omoruyi, but not surprising at this point. Who do we pivot too now? It’d be nice to win one of these higher profile guys at some point.
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