SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on May 3, 2024 12:08:48 GMT -5
Off-season so far gets a C grade Disappointing given the rumors of our big NIL bag. Still time though. I never believed the rumor of the big NIL $$$. Didn't a group of wealthy alums also fund Ewing's buyout? There's only so much money to go around and even the wealthy have their limits, especially if they don't perceive a good ROI.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 3, 2024 12:14:04 GMT -5
Off-season so far gets a C grade Disappointing given the rumors of our big NIL bag. Still time though. Mack alone is worth more than a C considering our PG needs.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 3, 2024 12:49:08 GMT -5
Here would be my offseason grades to date: STARTERS Junior Epps > Sophomore Epps Mack > Brumbaugh/Heath Peavy = Styles Probably better on D and less of a shooter Sophomore Fielder > Ish Massoud Sorber = Cook I struggle to see how a more talented freshman can hang with much bigger 5th & 6th year players
Bench RS McKenna > Bristol Mulready > Bacote Williams/Williams JR > Remaining bench from this past year
We are definitely better and almost across the board. We will have more depth and more talent overall. That is from an epically bad roster though. We really need a big (preferably two) and a back up ballhandler. Maybe they think Epps can tighten up his handle and play some back-up PG minutes but my guess is Mack is going to have all the minutes he can handle. Maybe Mulready or Williams have a good enough handle to help in a pinch. I am pretty nervous about that overall. I would grade our freshmen class an A and our free agency class a B- right now. It can become a B+ or A- if Cliff comes back our way or we find a couple of bigs that can gobble up some minutes.
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Post by EtomicB on May 3, 2024 12:56:34 GMT -5
Off-season so far gets a C grade Disappointing given the rumors of our big NIL bag. Still time though. I never believed the rumor of the big NIL $$$. Didn't a group of wealthy alums also fund Ewing's buyout? There's only so much money to go around and even the wealthy have their limits, especially if they don't perceive a good ROI. If Cooley is up against Vanderbilt or BC the money could be a big factor, when he's up against UNC or Bama or Ohio State it doesn't make any difference. Money helps you get in the door of those recruits but very very rarely will it be a deciding factor in my view.. I'm not upset about not getting Stewart or CO both are too limited offensively for my liking. I'd like to see the staff pivot to the Harvard kid who's reportedly visiting Stanford soon.
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Post by 95hoya on May 3, 2024 13:41:12 GMT -5
Torvik has us outside the top 100 with the current roster. Not facing a big jump in year 2 as it stands.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 3, 2024 14:34:53 GMT -5
Yikes...
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on May 3, 2024 14:41:48 GMT -5
Yikes because some random recruiting expert used a low quality photo of Cliff in a Hoyas jersey, or yikes because of the tough competition?
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Post by jwp91 on May 3, 2024 15:30:52 GMT -5
Looks like Cliff or his advisors have been studying investment banking. This sure looks like a 'process' to me.
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nbhoya
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Post by nbhoya on May 3, 2024 17:51:50 GMT -5
If we can’t get a single top 20 transfer — namely Cliff or similar caliber — it may be time to fold up shop.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on May 3, 2024 17:57:26 GMT -5
Well know soon enough at least. Not feeling too optimistic.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 3, 2024 18:12:44 GMT -5
Not great. I had more confidence Stewart was gettable than Cliff. Hopefully other targets were identified and we pivot quickly. Shocked by this news…if Cooley can’t close a guy like Stewart, with his background, up against Ohio State, that is just pathetic.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on May 3, 2024 18:15:37 GMT -5
Not great. I had more confidence Stewart was gettable than Cliff. Hopefully other targets were identified and we pivot quickly. Shocked by this news…if Cooley can’t close a guy like Stewart, with his background, up against Ohio State, that is just pathetic. He says about the guy he didn't want.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on May 3, 2024 18:16:47 GMT -5
Not great. I had more confidence Stewart was gettable than Cliff. Hopefully other targets were identified and we pivot quickly. Shocked by this news…if Cooley can’t close a guy like Stewart, with his background, up against Ohio State, that is just pathetic. I mean Ohio State was his second choice just a year ago. Obviously he had a previous attraction.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 3, 2024 18:38:58 GMT -5
If we can’t get a single top 20 transfer — namely Cliff or similar caliber — it may be time to fold up shop. This a candidate for most exaggerated post of 2024. Gotta be aggressive and fork up the $. Or, stay docile and continue to wallow in mediocrity and irrelevance. This begs the question of how NIL is sourced and why Georgetown is a poor fit for the contemporary model. Who gives to NIL... no, not the $50 donor, but the six figure donor? At Power 3 schools, they tend to come from three groups: 1) high wealth individual to whom a six figure non-tax deductible expense is no big thing, 2) local businessmen to whom the connections with an athlete or team is good for its own business (e.g., a car dealer), and 3) trustee-level individuals to whom NIL is a badge of continued support to the university. Many also come from a private equity mindset, namely, what am I getting for this: namely, access and return on invested capital. The donors that funded Cam Spencer to UConn are happy. The donors that funded Akok Akok to West Virginia, less so. For all the claims of Georgetown as a "wealthy" university, its donor base is significantly less wealthy than others. Baylor and TCU athletics are funded by high wealth individuals in energy and private equity as well as local businessmen--Georgetown has little or none of this. The lifetime earnings of a doctor, an attorney, or a political consultant will never match Paul Foster or the six donors who gave $15 million each for a stadium upgrade at TCU. Baylor and TCU are comparable in size to Georgetown, but they have significant income outliers that play to its needs athletically, while Georgetown does not. No inside information but Hoyas Rising is likely a combination of a small number of private equity managers who see a need in basketball. They won't get access to the University leadership like donors do at some schools, but most already know this. However, like most PE types, they expect a return, and if they don't get it, they won't fund it any more. Thus, Ed Cooley would be foolish to spend everything he has and be out of money thereafter because the pool of capital across Georgetown is limited, especially within a major capital campaign that wants high net income donors to donate to it and not to side projects like this.
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nbhoya
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Post by nbhoya on May 3, 2024 18:43:10 GMT -5
Think you are putting too much stock in professional titles as a measure of alumni wealth. Georgetown has members of royal families and international billionaires as alumni. Those people are not attending Texas Christian University.
Familial wealth runs deep. We have the money to scrap together to pay a damn 21 year old center. If we don’t, again, maybe it’s time to pick a new focus. It’s a brave new world out there.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 3, 2024 18:53:49 GMT -5
Think you are putting too much stock in professional titles as a measure of alumni wealth. Georgetown has members of royal families and international billionaires as alumni. Those people are not attending Texas Christian University. King Felipe isn't funding NIL. The Bass brothers could be.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 3, 2024 18:58:36 GMT -5
Think you are putting too much stock in professional titles as a measure of alumni wealth. Georgetown has members of royal families and international billionaires as alumni. Those people are not attending Texas Christian University. King Felipe isn't funding NIL. The Bass brothers could be. How about our Middle East benefactors? Does anybody really believe we lost Sean Stewart due to NIL?
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boxout05
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Post by boxout05 on May 3, 2024 20:10:41 GMT -5
How about our Middle East benefactors? Does anybody really believe we lost Sean Stewart due to NIL? Who’s making the first overture for LIV Big East?
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Post by jackofjoy on May 4, 2024 7:29:21 GMT -5
Think you are putting too much stock in professional titles as a measure of alumni wealth. Georgetown has members of royal families and international billionaires as alumni. Those people are not attending Texas Christian University. Familial wealth runs deep. We have the money to scrap together to pay a damn 21 year old center. If we don’t, again, maybe it’s time to pick a new focus. It’s a brave new world out there. “Have”? Maybe. Care about or want to? Hoyas are in a tough spot, with the positioning the same as always but without the benefit of any recent success: much smaller and less rabid/attached local fan base than a state school, and no on campus arena excitement (Cameron, etc) to make it at least easy to access when the team is just meh (Cameron maybe being an extreme example, but pick any school where you can walk/scoot/bike less than 10 minutes to the arena). There’s no benefit to “wealthy international families” by giving money to Hoyas basketball, even in good times. Their kids attending Georgetown don’t care - they’re hosting parties for the glitterati and forming political connections to continue the family business contracts with lobbyists or the US government, not schlepping to games (unless they can get a seat near Obama at a Hoyas/Duke game when Hoyas are in the top 25). Hate to say it this way but attending Hoya basketball games (except in the most successful of time, because people/college kids especially are lemmings and want validation) is probably viewed as one of the “lowest rent” activities at Georgetown except among the most rabid fans. DFW knows the most about this, but there was a time (come and gone) where McDonough could have been converted to a 4-5k on campus arena. The cover is always “traffic issues, neighborhood pushback”, but when the team was successful would have been the time. My guess? Egos got in the way like “we’re Georgetown, why would we have a small on campus arena? We’re always going to draw 10k+”. The irony? The guy heading up the school is the biggest Hoya basketball fanboy, having graduated and starting his GU career on the cusp of the best of times.
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Post by hoyariv71 on May 4, 2024 7:34:48 GMT -5
Agreed, no division 1 football, no home court areana, yes these kids live basketball but these 4 years of college will be something they remember forever. They want to have the ultimate fun experience.
Georgetown participates in FCS football, which is Division I but not at the same funding level.--Admin
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